Well we have another year of shenanigans, ego and misinformation - otherwise known as CSM elections.

Many people obviously don't vote.. A large percentage of those are empire dwellers, many industrialists. Over the past few weeks having spoken to people and one only has to read the forums, you can conclude most indy players who aren't voting do that because they figure it won't matter anyhow.

This year should be different for industrialists. Many of the 0.0 candidates are block candidiates, but not so for people speaking up for industry.

If you're finding it difficult to select a candidate for industry concerns -

1. Seleene is probably a forerunner for industrial concerns currently - he has on many occasions professed a view that industry requires an expansion now. It has been promised by CCP for a long time and now is the time for it. He has led PVP alliances and understands the relationship between industry and PVP well.

2. Hans Jagerblitzen is also a good indy protagonist.

3. Two Step for wormholes - this guy has a good understanding of wormholes, wormhole industry and PVP both.

4. Trebor to a slightly lesser degree for industry AND wormholes - as a past CSM chair has a GREAT understanding of CCP and the place and role CSM plays.

While there are many other worthy candidates running, selecting these 4 people will ensure a strong industry CSM with experience and motivation.

Development of industry means development of PVP. If you change industry, you change the market, if market changes, pvp changes. Getting these industrial issues fixed finally will help streamline the systems behind peoples' ships being created - thereby making them cheaper by defacto.

More industrialists would join the market creating more diversity of markets and competition.

All of this drives prices down.

Removal of botters would create a void to allow more industrial people into the market. This will create more competition and allow those people to earn decent isk in the game at the same time.

None of this can be bad for PVPers in general.

Make sure you vote, and vote for a candidate that isn't selling you a lemon.

Please, give a bump so more ppl can read.

Not to argue, but I'm a two time CSM member with extensive industrial and mining experience and am the only one that has focused Mining, the very base of industry in Eve as my primary CSM 7 area of interest.

So I'm not sure whose alt you are but it looks like you are in someone's pocket with this post.

Issler Dainze
Eight years of industry in Eve!

While The Mittani is not an industrialist himself, I and the other goonswarm finance directors are able to regularly provide top-quality explanations of how various parts of the economy work, so while he obviously can't get our opinion on NDA issues, he is able to get a detailed explanation of how any portion of the economy works.

For example: "did you know if you mercilessly murder miners in these 23 belts in empire in only 16 systems you suddenly can't mine gallente ice?"

The Mittani is the logical choice for industrialists.

1. Conflict creates the demand for what industrialists produce.
2. The ice interdiction did more to counter botting than anything CCP did between Incarna and Crucible.
3. Even ganking in empire increases the demand for ships and modules.

Make your vote count. Vote Mittani

To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.

Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.

Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum.

stuff

Issler Dainze
Eight years of industry in Eve!

Definitely not empty quoting. Even Mittens doesn't come across so self-righteously.

If you want someone who represents the industrial side of eve, vote for Psychobitch. Veteran from the EvE Beta phase, and I do not think there is anyone else in EvE who has as much experience with the industry side as PsychoBitch.

Not to argue, but I'm a two time CSM member with extensive industrial and mining experience and am the only one that has focused Mining, the very base of industry in Eve as my primary CSM 7 area of interest.

So I'm not sure whose alt you are but it looks like you are in someone's pocket with this post.

Issler Dainze
Eight years of industry in Eve!

I'm entitled to be self-righteous when someone comes into my thread to whine about not being included, accuse me of being in someone's pocket, or an alt and then displays all the same qualities she was originally left out of the post because of.

So I guess I'm either not worth listening to - in which case, why come in on the thread at all - or she's afraid of the reasoning?

Take your pick, either way you come off looking stupid/disgruntled/scared.

I'm entitled to be self-righteous when someone comes into my thread to whine about not being included, accuse me of being in someone's pocket, or an alt and then displays all the same qualities she was originally left out of the post because of.

So I guess I'm either not worth listening to - in which case, why come in on the thread at all - or she's afraid of the reasoning?

Take your pick, either way you come off looking stupid/disgruntled/scared.

While The Mittani is not an industrialist himself, I and the other goonswarm finance directors are able to regularly provide top-quality explanations of how various parts of the economy work, so while he obviously can't get our opinion on NDA issues, he is able to get a detailed explanation of how any portion of the economy works.

For example: "did you know if you mercilessly murder miners in these 23 belts in empire in only 16 systems you suddenly can't mine gallente ice?"

So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.

I think it is very suspect for someone to open a post on who to vote for in the industrial side and leave out good candidates or for that matter any industrial candidate.

All a post like this will do is cause more fracturing in the voting of the industrialists. This will then give the 0.0 power blocks a better chance of once again gaining control of the CSM.

TBH this would be an excellent tactic for the 0.0 guys, get an alt to create a post like this and then wait for the inevitable response from the candidates who where left out, then slag them off and make them look like a bunch of crazies. It would be a more subtle attack than the usual Goon hate mail.

So either Issler was right and you are a Alt of someones, or you created a post with your preferred candidates in it but are inadvertently helping the Goons to win.

So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.

Frying Doom

I'll bite. Hans is a good industrial candidate because he wants to blow **** up. I voted for Hans. I would have voted for Mittens for the same reason, but he'll get a seat anyway and we need more than one person to have a "council".

Sorry a good industrial candidate blows things up? You do play EVE right?
What do industrialists blow up?

Not sure how voting for someone that is sure to be elected makes your vote count, but that's not why I posted.

So Heathkit, interesting name, wondering if you ever built a heathkit? My dad was an electrical engineer and got me several of them when I growing up. A lot of fun!

Issler

Or Issler is just a **** candidate.



Do you really think CCP would take a CSM advocating more WiS seriously?

heh

Seleene = industry + nullsec leaning
Trebor = industry + hisec leaning
Issler = industry + space barbies

Seleene or Trebor, pick one.

Look Issler, Its great that you want to promote industry in Eve. But you've spent the entire campaign period failing to deal with trolls effectively and trying to promote the same old tired "Hi Sec above All Else" agenda you've been pushing for years.

That's why you're not on my list of people to vote for and why I'm voting for Seleene.

However the amount of time and effort you've put into your position in space barbies is a large percentage of what most people seem to have read about you. Perhaps you can express some views on other things ? or at least put some links to where you have?

(And yes we know, we know, "mining" - we get it).

Seleene = industry + nullsec leaning
Trebor = industry + hisec leaning
Issler = industry + space barbies

Seleene or Trebor, pick one.

I was at one point inclined to vote for Riverini only because of his anti botting stance.

Not to mention an anti-botting stance is a pretty worthless one to have, what with CCP having a team dedicated to actually catching and banning botters again.

If anything, you should look at someone who has anti-botting as a main platform rather suspect, since it's likely covering for the lack of an actual useful platform. It's very intentional, as nobody will argue with you that botting isn't an important issue, so it makes you look like you truly do care about the welfare of the game and want to help and all of that good stuff, but with the reality of CCP (a) knowing about it and (b) finally acting on it, it's the definition of unnecessary.

Well to be honest the botters were only caught half way through the last campain week, I think considering the lack of time between that and the voting - people could be forgiven for including it on their ticket

Also, the cynics among us (yes me) will remind you that CCP has done this a couple times before just as CSM was being voted on - any good marketing person could tell you why

Basically the jury is still out for me as far as if CCP is DOING something about botters. The fact that they have DONE something doesn't necessarily mean they are DOING something about it ;

If there's a similar ban next month I will ecstatically eat my words ;)

As an industrialist, I don't need a candidate screaming for more ways to mine faster. I don't need a bigger, better mining barge. I don't want mining to be PI with a new skin. I don't want "legalized" mining bots. I also don't need someone telling CCP to focus on high-sec in general. What I need is for EVE to be fixed across the board. A balanced CSM, representatives with expertise in each area that come together to get stuff fixed. Most proposals for "fixing" industry and mining in general I've seen seem to make it safer, more passive and even easier for botters. I'm inclined to believe these proposals are put forth by the botters themselves.

So, having said all that, Seleene and The Mittani don't need my votes as they are shoe-ins. My votes went to Hans because, in my opinion, he is the most logical choice and his platform speaks for itself. All those industrialists/miners voting with their emotions because they got ganked, fail to see the bigger picture. While ganks will always be a part of EVE, they would be far less prevalent if not for the sheer boredom most PvP'ers are faced with right now. While these same people are screaming for more safety, they fail to realize that the same protection is enjoyed by that mining bot in your system as well as his pals, #2 - #20.

Ganking, while not a pleasant experience to be on the receiving end of I admit, doesn't make my blood boil nearly as much as seeing someone whine in local that such a mechanic exists while afk'ing in a belt for hours on end. They just sit there, idle, not even mining and chances are, they won't even get ganked for being a moron.

So, having said all that, Seleene and The Mittani don't need my votes as they are shoe-ins. My votes went to Hans because, in my opinion, he is the most logical choice and his platform speaks for itself.

Whilst Hans seems a decent choice, Seleene is not nearly as much a sure thing as you seem to think he is. His high voting turn out in CSM6 was largely down to the Southern bloc vote, who now regard him as a traitor for leaving to join PL. And since PL are putting their votes behind Elise, Seleene no longer has a base and is competing with a huge range of candidates for the votes of the unaligned randoms of Empire, many of whom are likely to be turned off by his membership of a 0.0 powerbloc.

Don't be too surprised if Seleene ends up as an alt or misses out altogether.

CCP has changed at least a half dozen parts of the game since inception which have indirectly effected mining alone. I'm sure they have also had impacts on market, trade and production. Whether it be PI effecting POS fuel prices for t2 production, small mining corps or if it has been the advent of drone regions or wormholes with ABC ores in them. All these things have effected the production cycle somewhere - it needs a good looking into by people who know how best to change the mechanics to fix these careers.

I'd vote for Issler: CSM experience, a balanced agenda, and no apparent fingers in the nullsec pie, leaving the nullsec obsessed members of the CSM to sort out their stuff without interference, bringing a better balance overall.

I'd vote for Issler: CSM experience, a balanced agenda, and no apparent fingers in the nullsec pie, leaving the nullsec obsessed members of the CSM to sort out their stuff without interference, bringing a better balance overall.

'Balanced agenda' is pretty much a euphemism for 'no opinions about anything'.

And prior experience of the 'achieve nothing except adding items to backlog' CSMs isn't exactly something to shout about either.

Love to know what pie exactly you mean. There seems to be this perception that people in nullsec are only doing things that are entirely in their own interests. This really isn't the case. Even mittani - whom I have made no real effort to like at all - acceeds to the view that tech moons should go, etc..

Unlike the perception that seems to be around that these people haven't done the right thing by the eve playerbase in the past - in their view - is dead wrong. The real issue as far as I can see is the fact that they haven't really tried to include all the eve players in their decisions and are just plain wrong about some things - like low-sec.

But in either case - there is no pie, nor fingers in it.

Much as I like Issler's "simplistic" view of "I am for mining" and while it attracts many to her cause, I don't see it as a valid overall platform for CSM. It's no different from the mittani saying "I am for goonish activity" and gaining votes through that simplistic platform. It's a cheap way to gain votes from people who don't wish to put the time or effort into understanding the candidates and their platforms. It's also one of the reasons I created this thread.

p.s. The cake was also a lie.
p.p.s. And there were fingers in that too apparently.

The difference is the areas that Mittens focuses on have gotten CCP attention.

Mining, which has to be the activity of the largest Eve player base has been virtually ignored, or even in terms of ore distribution nerfed over the last eight years.

And to say mining is ALL I will be for in the CSM 7 is inaccurate. I understand you have to look at Eve holistically. I will however be more representative of the average high sec dweller than any of the other current CSM candidates.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

explain your wis taint

I believe Issler has explained this many, many times.

Wis really needs a slogan.

Walking in Stations.
If Done Right, Would Really Add a Whole New Dimension To EVE.

Which is it? I'm an Alt or in someone's pocket?

I've been following the CSM elections quite closely this year and found many capable candidates.

To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.

Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.

Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum.

Not the CSM candidate I am after - Not to argue of course!

Doesn't sound like someone having a forum-tantrum to me, she is only speaking the truth - it is the gametype she plays on a daily basis. :|

You're not even on topic. What gameplay? She was reminding me of WHO SHE IS.

And of course the obvious logic tells me that if you have to remind people who you are then it probably doesn't matter too much to them regarding who you are.

Not to argue of course.

I find I rarely have to remind folks who I am. What I do find is somehow I've become the target of a handful of folks, usually goons that like to repeat the same nonsensical statements about what I've done, not done, stand for, stand against and take every opportunity to include the word "pants" and "barbies" in all their posts. In most cases if the forums were actually moderated to comply with the posting rules, their posts wouldn't be in the forums for long as they are always content free.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

Why look to politicians and people who care about the next 12 months. Politicians only worrying about plans that will occur in their political terms, are destroying the planet. With no-one ever worried about what happens after they leave office the planets people are slowly being doomed to shallow thinking.

Wis and so many other parts of this game need to be looked at as, where the game should head and what we would like it to be in the future not just in terms of the next patch or next 12 months.

Also the CSM's thinking should not be, what does a CSM member want for them selves and what they can they convince other people they made the game better, by pushing narrow focus of issues. Without worrying about the game as whole.

I'm not a goon nor interested in their point of view. I do think however, that WIS is an unimportant part of the game currently - and until after DUST is released should stay that way.

There are innumerable issues to do with basic gameplay - like mining - that need to be fixed first. I can see WIS in the future possibly being a meeting place between the two games with the planning rooms etc. that seems to be being bandied about. Sure, the imagination can go wild with the prospects.

The problem is, that we are still waiting to see any change in industrial concerns generally mining, manufacturing, invention, trade etc.. - I think Mittani last year commented that if they ran every production queue in deklein flat out making ammo 24/7 they could build ammo for a month and blow it all in a single 5 minute battle - things of this nature are even a 0.0 industry concern.
Structure shooting is still a huge issue for large numbers of players.
There's no defined role for industry corps apart from living in empire.
Moon Mining needs to be fundamentally changed.
I know Low-sec in general needs some serious modification so that people not into blob warfare can still pew in peace - not to mention there's no industry there either.

And after that if you want to add some new features... there's always the bounty system or nerfing the incursions or factional warfare.

I don't see how WIS will fit into CCP's plans over the next year, anyone who wants to bump one of the above issues - which everyone in the last csm seems to have agreed need changing has to be ******* mad?

Which one will you take CCP staff off of, in order to promote more WIS ? It's crazy-talk.

It's just plainly not the time, I'm not saying next year won't be the time, but right now don't you think there are more pressing concerns?

Hope that clears up again, my focus, who I might be and what I stand for if elected.

I guess I'm still struggling to understand what proposals, plans, or ideas you bring to the table regarding industry, besides the ones contained in this post.

That post is the most detailed "platform" I've seen you share regarding what you'd like to see fixed, and all of those bullet points are things touched upon by multiple blog posts (with greater detail including illustrations) by CSM7 candidate Seleene.

I think the voters really need to be clear on WHAT it is you bring to the table, besides "I've been mining for 6 years", "I was on the CSM", and "I'm the miner's candidate". I've heard those last three statements many times now, and maybe I've missed something major here, but I just don't see what is covered there that isn't already covered by a candidate like Seleene, who also has experience and expertise on a whole array of issues besides simply...."mining".

It doesn't matter that many of our plans for the future may not be what CCP decides to work on during our term, that's no excuse to not have a vision for EVE's future. And not just a vision, but a UNIQUE vision that separates you from the other candidates.

The voters need to know - what do you bring to the table regarding industry that candidates like Seleene (All sorts of mineral mining and advanced production expertise), Two Step (with his track record of working for POS improvements) and myself (experience with ice mining, PI, POS fuel production, and booster manufacturing) do not?

Please correct and link me if I've overlooked some substantive resource or platform you've provided elsewhere that answers these questions.

Thank you for sharing,

Hans Jagerblitzen
The Empire Citizen's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

issler: let us suppose a database error has accidentally placed you on the csm.

I love how a member of Goonswarm can not ask a question without an insult.

You make it hard to do otherwise.

so what you bring is that you're an idealess windbag who knows nothing, will have no useful input on nda stuff (because you can't take that to your "council") and basically want to try and get a free trip to iceland out of repeating "miners friend!"

issler: let us suppose a database error has accidentally placed you on the csm. you have been presented with something ccp is considering. it is under nda.

what do you have to bring to the table besides vacuous nonsense that anyone will pay attention to? consulting the council (who, one presumes, are the actual brains of this operation since you've basically said that) is not an option

First I make sure CCP corrects the database error before future elections to preserve the integrity of the CSM process.

Then I solicit ideas in the general area of discussion without breaching my NDA. You see that happen constantly in the CSM minutes, the I use those as well as my own ideas on the topic to work with CCP.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

Uh, I'm sorry, but that isn't allowed. If CCP comes to you with, say, a plan for ultra-titans with 8 doomsday slots, you can't make a thread on the forums about them.

While I agree that it isn't the role of the CSM to do game design, it *is* the role of the CSM to both point out specifics of what is currently not working as well as to critique the proposals CCP brings to the table (and to do so *on your own* without the support of some sort of "council")

Uh, I'm sorry, but that isn't allowed. If CCP comes to you with, say, a plan for ultra-titans with 8 doomsday slots, you can't make a thread on the forums about them.

While I agree that it isn't the role of the CSM to do game design, it *is* the role of the CSM to both point out specifics of what is currently not working as well as to critique the proposals CCP brings to the table (and to do so *on your own* without the support of some sort of "council")

Uh, I'm sorry, but that isn't allowed. If CCP comes to you with, say, a plan for ultra-titans with 8 doomsday slots, you can't make a thread on the forums about them.

Any candidate presenting detailed ideas, like yourself is already telling the voters that you "already know the answers and will likely focus on your own ideas and not theirs"!

What I bring, eight years in Eve doing most everything at one time or another, past CSM experience, honesty, openness, a commitment to represent the players interest, not my own, extensive software engineering experience that includes game development, freedom from power block influences and more.

Before I was officially a candidate you contacted me directly asking to drop out and support you. Now I seem to have caught you attention, you must think I'm gaining some traction in the election.

What I can use advisers for is my original intention.

Work on ideas do I want to champion.

So I haven't wasted a lot of peoples times with 20 pages of exactly how I want Eve

because it isn't my call and by the time CCP is done with it any idea will evolve using their game development experience to be likely different that what is proposed.

I asked these question not to attack but to honestly learn more about you,

Listening to players, moderating disussions, compiling ideas, and sifting through bad suggestions is tedious work - but you don't need a board of advisors to do it for you. In fact, you don't even have to be elected to the CSM to roll up your sleeves and get to work. This is what I've been trying to prove with my work over the last 6 months, and much has been accomplished in terms of informing CCP as to the players wishes for Faction Warfare, and I'm very excited to see the results this summer whether or not I get elected to the councii.

Most importantly, you do understand that the CSM is an advisory council itself, right? I wouldn't keep advertising your plans to rely on advisors if I were you, voters are going to struggle with the idea of an advisor relying on other advisors to get the work done. It also leaves you wide open to becoming the star of the next "Yo Dawg" meme. Somewhere there's a Goon already working on this, its just a matter of time before we see it posted somewhere.



Well, at least you are willing to admit that are ideas you want to champion, even if you are still going to use advisors to advise you on how to advise CCP about the ideas you like. Earlier though, you accused me of only championing my own ideas instead of those of the players.

Lets just drop the pretense that personal passions shouldn't play into what each CSM member contributes during their term, ultimately every CSM member SHOULD care deeply about enough things in the game to be willing to put the work in to see that they get fixed. We both know that CSM members should care, and we both know that CSM members should listen to players as well, so this isn't worth arguing about. You need to be getting out more to the voters right now about just what it is you care about, and find a way to truly demonstrate how hard you're willing to work yourself at the job.



Now this is just rude and uncalled for. Those 20 pages contained a great deal of PLAYER ideas, sources cited, and contained a list of acknowledgements for those that contributed to its creation. It was a community project as much as it was any kind of personal manifesto, and I literally said this in a disclaimer on the first content page. To say it wasted peoples time is to disrespect the 34 pages of mostly thoughtful discussion that followed after its release, and it disrespects the hundreds of voters specifically referencing my platform document as the reason they decided to support me with their votes.



Again, if you'd read even the first page of my platform document you'd see I said almost the exact same sentence.

This is why I've said just work on being YOU, Issler Dainze, and you'll earn more votes. It's never too late to share with the voters what makes you unique, instead of repeatedly defending yourself by saying you'll do all the same things for them that the rest of us will too. Part of the fun in this campaign has been getting to know all other candidates and learning about what they enjoy and what they're passionate about. I asked these question not to attack but to honestly learn more about you, because up to this point you've insisted on holding your cards close to your chest and speaking about the issues as broadly as possible.

If advisers didn't have advisers we would be royally screwed.

Hell even in a primitive backwater like the United states of America, their advisers have advisers. Like the national security adviser has the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Yes there are times when the NDA would get in the way, but I would prefer a candidate who is ready to listen to the people at the time of the discussion like the before and after of Incarna than have someone who believes that because they got elected they ARE the will of the people. Like all the RL politicians that vote in a manner completely opposed to their constituents.

Like a Jury I would rather have one with an open mind, than a closed one.

I have only one thing to say about Hans.

I hope he gets in. He deserves it. Unlike certain goons

I think The Mittani should get a seat just as much as Hans. The CSM6 was successful (although I don't believe he was the sole reason for this, not by a long-shot) and he does have good ideas.

You just have to separate The Mittani, Chairman of CSM6 & Null-Sec Player Representative from The Mittani, Space King of Goonswarm, Internet Troll & Griefer Extraordinaire. They are two distinct people, in my opinion, as much as he and his Goonions try and make them one.

... but he amalgamated their collective desires into a list of specific fixes that would drastically improve the FW experience for all players involved....

And what did CCP/CSM do with that list?

They ignored it and ticked off the top two items (read oldest) on their backlog and applied the easiest 'fixes' possible;
- Daily system flips (30 plex to flip, minimum 70 spawn per day) with boredom for all rather than just the DT crowd, they actually managed to make the occupancy game even more meaningless .. whoop-di-*******-doo.
- Alliances got a foot in, surprised there are not more that have joined but reckon they already have loads of bomber alts in place so 'meh'.

We'd have benefited more from a general low-sec revamp than the nonsense they peddle with a FW sticker attached if you ask me. Yes I am rather miffed at the whole thing, but then I recognize the Colourful CakeGäó they keep feeding us as the mouldy bread that it is.

Vote for Hans. Amarr needs its puppet Minnie on the council! God Wills It! *snicker*

Personally for CSM 8 I would like the eligibility to vote to be based on time active preferably 90 days minimum before the next election, rather than age of the character. As it stands you just have to plex up old inactive accounts just before voting day.

Listening to players, moderating disussions, compiling ideas, and sifting through bad suggestions is tedious work - but you don't need a board of advisors to do it for you. In fact, you don't even have to be elected to the CSM to roll up your sleeves and get to work. This is what I've been trying to prove with my work over the last 6 months, and much has been accomplished in terms of informing CCP as to the players wishes for Faction Warfare, and I'm very excited to see the results this summer whether or not I get elected to the councii.

Most importantly, you do understand that the CSM is an advisory council itself, right? I wouldn't keep advertising your plans to rely on advisors if I were you, voters are going to struggle with the idea of an advisor relying on other advisors to get the work done. It also leaves you wide open to becoming the star of the next "Yo Dawg" meme. Somewhere there's a Goon already working on this, its just a matter of time before we see it posted somewhere.



Well, at least you are willing to admit that are ideas you want to champion, even if you are still going to use advisors to advise you on how to advise CCP about the ideas you like. Earlier though, you accused me of only championing my own ideas instead of those of the players.

Lets just drop the pretense that personal passions shouldn't play into what each CSM member contributes during their term, ultimately every CSM member SHOULD care deeply about enough things in the game to be willing to put the work in to see that they get fixed. We both know that CSM members should care, and we both know that CSM members should listen to players as well, so this isn't worth arguing about. You need to be getting out more to the voters right now about just what it is you care about, and find a way to truly demonstrate how hard you're willing to work yourself at the job.



Now this is just rude and uncalled for. Those 20 pages contained a great deal of PLAYER ideas, sources cited, and contained a list of acknowledgements for those that contributed to its creation. It was a community project as much as it was any kind of personal manifesto, and I literally said this in a disclaimer on the first content page. To say it wasted peoples time is to disrespect the 34 pages of mostly thoughtful discussion that followed after its release, and it disrespects the hundreds of voters specifically referencing my platform document as the reason they decided to support me with their votes.



Again, if you'd read even the first page of my platform document you'd see I said almost the exact same sentence.

This is why I've said just work on being YOU, Issler Dainze, and you'll earn more votes. It's never too late to share with the voters what makes you unique, instead of repeatedly defending yourself by saying you'll do all the same things for them that the rest of us will too. Part of the fun in this campaign has been getting to know all other candidates and learning about what they enjoy and what they're passionate about. I asked these question not to attack but to honestly learn more about you, because up to this point you've insisted on holding your cards close to your chest and speaking about the issues as broadly as possible.

i still enjoy your hilarious conspiracy theories about how we are spending oodles of money to win

To roleplay Admiral Ackbar for a sec: "It's a trap!"

Please avoid the trap of freindly-fire incidents.

Issler and Hans, you guys are pretty much natural allies in that you both seek to benefit the eve community as a whole...a simple statement, perhaps, but a lot of complex ideas encapsuleerated / represented by it.

I'd like to see both Issler and Hans on the CSM.

Unfortunately, they are both competing for some of the same votes. When the elections are done with, and both Hans and Issler manage to make it to CSM (hopefully!), I have no doubt they'll play well together. But right now, every vote counts.