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Silvercloud
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Silvercloud on 27/05/2008 17:10:42
Edited by: Silvercloud on 27/05/2008 17:05:24
The Problem
It is currently not possible to securely research with multiple people in the same corp. This due to the fact that everyone with the required roles to research or manufacture can cancel the jobs (both research and production) ANYONE else in the corp has started.
My Proposed Change
Research and manufacturing jobs should not be able to be canceled by any other than the person who installed it, just like sell and buy orders can only be changed by the person setting them up. However directors and CEOs should still be able to cancel other peoples jobs (e.g. we need a specific role that allows you to cancel other people's jobs)
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Silvercloud
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Silvercloud on 27/05/2008 17:10:42
Edited by: Silvercloud on 27/05/2008 17:05:24
The Problem
It is currently not possible to securely research with multiple people in the same corp. This due to the fact that everyone with the required roles to research or manufacture can cancel the jobs (both research and production) ANYONE else in the corp has started.
My Proposed Change
Research and manufacturing jobs should not be able to be canceled by any other than the person who installed it, just like sell and buy orders can only be changed by the person setting them up. However directors and CEOs should still be able to cancel other peoples jobs (e.g. we need a specific role that allows you to cancel other people's jobs)
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Mortok Tristan
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:15:00 -
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I support this request.
Too many corps have to make alt corps to workaround this anoying issue. And more useless alt corps is more useless database space :P
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Mortok Tristan
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:15:00 -
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I support this request.
Too many corps have to make alt corps to workaround this anoying issue. And more useless alt corps is more useless database space :P
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Locin WeEda
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:22:00 -
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I support this issue. |
Locin WeEda
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:22:00 -
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I support this issue. |
Aviel Sephire
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:51:00 -
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/signed |
General Daikatana
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:52:00 -
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I support Silvercloud in this also!
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Kailiani
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kailiani on 27/05/2008 17:53:20
<<<---Thumbs up
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Velaz
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:55:00 -
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I agree with Silvercloud as well
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Thorn Xar
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:05:00 -
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/signed |
Freakje
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Freakje on 27/05/2008 20:49:46
/signed
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:50:00 -
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Fix the forums! |
Angel Firecloud
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:54:00 -
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Yep I agree
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MaxxJR
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:06:00 -
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agree!
/signed
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Quintus Klarr
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:22:00 -
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/signed |
Sivkin
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:41:00 -
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/signed
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Donny Cloudchaser
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:49:00 -
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Yup needs fixing /signed
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Bokkie
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:38:00 -
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/signed
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JERIC0
NailorTech Industries
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:45:00 -
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Corp roles need more love.
/signed
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Sacrifixe
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sacrifixe on 28/05/2008 16:33:45
/signed
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Kasarandon
Suzaku Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:02:00 -
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/signed
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Nariana Verex
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:05:00 -
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If only the person who made the job could cancel, it would be far more secure.
Maybe two ranks of Factory/Research slot permissions? One basic, for personal and corporate use... And one Overseer rank, that can deliver or cancel anyone's job.
Signed.
Do the right thing. Don't leave shuttles in space. |
Pirc Balar
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:24:00 -
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Clear description and well thought out solution. Thanks for keeping it to the point. Supported and appreciated.
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Cara Lockhart
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cara Lockhart on 28/05/2008 19:28:37
I support this.
Edit: wrong char, but I still support it :)
/signed Cara Highwind
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Protrade
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:30:00 -
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/signed
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Czanthria
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.05.30 04:50:00 -
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Knowledge is Power! |
Gotrek65
Industrial Warlords
Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.30 09:51:00 -
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/signed
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.30 10:00:00 -
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If I remember right, every time I've needed to give someone the ability to manufacture or research, I've had to give Rent Factory (or Research) Slot and Factory Manager.
Rent (Factory/Research) Slot is supposed to be the role that lets the person use the blueprints from the corp hangar. By its description, this is all the corp member should need.
By Factory Manager's description, it's the role that lets you cancel jobs that you yourself did not create. I assume it's a bug that's never been address, as it's been like this since I've been playing (through three patches, now).
This definitely needs some looking into... I shouldn't have to make everybody a Factory Manager when all they need to be able to do is rent slots. It forces even more paranoia on an already risky corporate function.
 Originally by: techzer0
I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 07:48:00 -
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Only making one person be able to cancel the job is one possible solution.
I don't care what solution is implemented and I don't really see why you can't just start the job from a personal hanger. But you can't, and this problem is a kick in the nuts to R&D corps, and forces alt-corp spam.
Signed lots!
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BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Chuck Skull
BBK Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.01 10:09:00 -
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Signed with a giant novelty marker.
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Also available in 'sober' |
Reynolds
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.01 13:11:00 -
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Efa Morgan
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:11:00 -
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namelessclone01
blackbox ops
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:37:00 -
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as a CEO of a one-man corp, i support this thread ;)
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Scetrov
OcUK
Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.06.02 19:02:00 -
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More granular permissions would make a lot of sense. However I am not sure it should be locked in by owner, perhaps a more elegant solution may be to assign an "Owner" to a POS this could be set by corporation vote, the POS owner is then allowed to set an access control list for specific tasks (i.e. create, cancel and deliver) for each task a set of permissions could be selected:
Owner - the POS "Owner"
Creator - the person who created the job
Directors - CEO's and Directors of the owning corporation
Alliance - Anyone in the alliance
Corporation - Anyone in the corp.
Public - Anyone (probably not best to set this for cancel or deliver)
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Rouque Vanderbuilt
Nuts and Bolts
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Posted - 2008.06.02 23:09:00 -
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/signed
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Takimi Star
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:54:00 -
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/support
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:57:00 -
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I support a change in the process...however, I think limiting it to the installer is a bad idea. I believe it should be a grantable/revokeable role.
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Crime Zero
Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.05 11:21:00 -
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Great proposal!
/signed
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saxsus
Opinicus Operations
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:05:00 -
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I agree 
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2008.06.05 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: saxsus
I agree
Check that you support it, then :)
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Jeirth
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:37:00 -
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/Signed
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Violette Tremere
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.07.03 20:14:00 -
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support
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Lady Ludmilla
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Posted - 2008.07.03 20:16:00 -
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+1
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Gaogan
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.07.03 20:45:00 -
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Two thumbs up. I wouldn't mind giving more people build access with view only access to, or locked down bpos, and limited mineral stockpiles, but the ability to cancel a capital ship job which just throws out all the minerals that went into it is too big of a risk.
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Siebenthal
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:38:00 -
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:48:00 -
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Silent Deviant
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Posted - 2008.08.03 20:27:00 -
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Shaddam V
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2008.08.03 21:23:00 -
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Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.09.24 10:06:00 -
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It is not entirely impossible to do R&D with multiple people in same corp, but some kind of security upgrade, or even ability to use pos labs from personal hangars would be good.
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.09.24 17:06:00 -
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thumbs up
...... continues overleaf. |
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.09.25 04:33:00 -
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I don't think no one else in the corporation should be allowed to cancel the job, CEOs, 'officers', etc should retain the privilege to go "No we aren't doing that." However someone of the same 'rank'/position should not be able to cancel the work order of a peer.
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Padanemi
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Posted - 2008.09.25 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
I don't think no one else in the corporation should be allowed to cancel the job, CEOs, 'officers', etc should retain the privilege to go "No we aren't doing that." However someone of the same 'rank'/position should not be able to cancel the work order of a peer.
exactly that
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.09.25 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Xerox on 25/09/2008 06:30:09
I'd rather that it be limited to people with the roles to install jobs have the ability to cancel them.
Who delivered/installed/cancelled jobs should be logged, however.
Limiting it to only the installer can be very difficult to manage if that person is offline when the job is completed.
OR
Jobs can be delivered by anybody, but can only be cancelled by the installer or CEO.
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fuze
Chosen Path
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.09.25 10:35:00 -
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I like the extra logging who canceled a job as well. |
Jonas Vinthyn
Cassandra's Light
Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.25 14:20:00 -
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/signed
....I know of 5 alt corps setup for research and manufacturing just because of this that would all be gone if this was put into place / fixed.
-Jonas
My POS - POS Fitting and Fuel Calc
Stats! |
Carl Marcus
Galactic Waste Management
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Posted - 2008.09.25 16:33:00 -
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SysFin
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:46:00 -
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thumbs down
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a |
Sir SmellyFart
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:22:00 -
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This needs to be implemented fast, bloody outrage this hasn't been done sooner.
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Opertone
SIEGE.
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:55:00 -
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signed
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:15:00 -
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While I appreciate that people like this idea, I disagree with it. EVE has always demanded the element of trust be required in cooperative operations and this proposed change would act to remove that requirement in an important area of application.
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