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Naroekie OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2008.05.29 07:42:00 - [1] I sit in a 0.7 system mining ice with my 4 accounts....Get accused of macro mining just because I can use 4 accounts on one machine....and yet there are almost 30 odd people mining ice in the same belt everyday, not responding in local, mining for 6 mins warping to the station , warping back, waiting a min then start mining. they autoreject conversations, they are there DT to DT. and what is done about them. Nothing...I know it keeps the price of ice down but still this is just one system with ice in and there are serveal others with ice in that are worse. Why oh why does CCP still sit there and do nothing about them..... Simple really...they pay for the account and the isk stays in game..why ban someone when they pay you to be afk macromining all day.
Jastra Stardream Research	Posted - 2008.05.29 08:04:00 - [2] did you petition it ?
Naroekie OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2008.05.29 08:15:00 - [3] Many times from all of my accounts at one time or another as nothing gets done whats the point anymore
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.29 08:43:00 - [4] Edited by: Shintai on 29/05/2008 08:44:17 There is over 150 macroers in Aydoteaux, Tolle and Carrignottin. Yet CCP does nothing. One are the trip back and forth, others uses jetcan with a hauler. And those even smarter uses GSCs and haulers with their 5-6 miners. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Hammerfall Ceo Hammerfall Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:09:00 - [5] Why should CCP care? They are paying customers ffs!
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:28:00 - [6] There's an easy solution... Let people stay in noobcorp only for a month, month and half max (you got enuf time find friends uh).. then if they don't find a player corp, shift them to noob corp that's possible to wardec... and kill 'em! ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Seetesh Pixels Docks OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:34:00 - [7] Just go smartbomb them that will take care of this slowly, and keep doing it in a big group join the channel : marcointel
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:37:00 - [8] Edited by: Shintai on 29/05/2008 09:39:55 Originally by: Seetesh Just go smartbomb them that will take care of this slowly, and keep doing it in a big group join the channel : marcointel You can smartbomb them all day and they come back all the time. Its simply too profitable. One macro makes between 500 and 1000 ice blocks a day. And an iceblock is worth some 110-120K I think. Now do it with 6 accounts 30days a month. Billions of ISK... The biggest issue is Ice is basicly emptyless. You cant really pop an ice roid. So it screams for macroing. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Zaknussem The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:40:00 - [9] Edited by: Zaknussem on 29/05/2008 09:43:54 omglollolol: No. Those NPC corps would be permawardecced by people whom think n00b-shooting is fun. Besides, the macro-miners would just start macro-corps on the day they get "kicked out" of the NPC corp. The moment someone wardecs the macro-corp, the corp is shut down and all of its members would run and hide in an NPC corp for as long as possible. Your suggestion would not solve anything, and only create more problems, not to mention spreading out the current ones. Also, post with your main, and not some n00bcorp-hugging alt.
Merdaneth PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Merdaneth on 29/05/2008 09:48:31 Honestly, I cannot imagine someone mining ice for hours on end without using macro's. Mining ice is mind-numbingly boring. People who don't use macro's watch TV, browse the web, and do other things away from EVE while returning every few minutes to do a few clicks. Or they use it as a background activity while chatting with corp mates. Most stuff involving mining is an AFK activity because it is utterly and stupidly boring to do it at your computer. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
quickshot89	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:53:00 - [11] with a 500 second on a tech 1 ice miner, what do you do in that time? mining ice and large roids is AFK, as what can you do while wou wait for it to finish the cycle?
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:56:00 - [12] Perhaps the solution is to drop the stupid wait for ages with ice mining. Make it like mining roids? More ice belts, less in each etc. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:04:00 - [13] Remove Icebelts in high-sec. we are recruiting!
RedLion Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:09:00 - [14] This is what I do (with my alt :P (Don't locate me, I'm not mining)). Set up a hulk with 2x expanded cargo and 2x cargo opt rigs. Run my alt out to a belt, start my lasers, and go afk 30 mins. Then come back, dock and unload, and return to icebelt again. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Inertial Remove Icebelts in high-sec. No... Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
RedLion Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Inertial Remove Icebelts in high-sec. Not valid since ice is region specific. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:12:00 - [17] Originally by: RedLion This is what I do (with my alt :P (Don't locate me, I'm not mining)). Set up a hulk with 2x expanded cargo and 2x cargo opt rigs. Run my alt out to a belt, start my lasers, and go afk 30 mins. Then come back, dock and unload, and return to icebelt again. Thats the legal part. Issue is when your ship automaticly return or drop into some other container etc. Nobody minds afk mining. Its the macro part we dont like. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Naroekie I sit in a 0.7 system mining ice with my 4 accounts....Get accused of macro mining just because I can use 4 accounts on one machine....and yet there are almost 30 odd people mining ice in the same belt everyday, not responding in local, mining for 6 mins warping to the station , warping back, waiting a min then start mining. they autoreject conversations, they are there DT to DT. and what is done about them. Nothing...I know it keeps the price of ice down but still this is just one system with ice in and there are serveal others with ice in that are worse. Why oh why does CCP still sit there and do nothing about them..... Simple really...they pay for the account and the isk stays in game..why ban someone when they pay you to be afk macromining all day. CCP cant ban them because they need Evidence You should be lucky though that CCP "needs" evidence, because if not those who accused you for being a macro could have you banned just because you use lots of vessels. And lets say you where on the bathroom for a while? Or had your head down in a book reading while your mining lasers humming happily away? There are so many reasons why for a lots of things. So yes, they need evidence! We the players can whine and moan as much we want to. It does not change the fact: A company like CCP "needs" evidence! You simply "cant" lock out players based on gut feeling alone! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:18:00 - [19] cuz they are awesome . lol jk macros are hard to detect without scanninh the..... system memory process table function call stacks taking snapshots of the desktop. sending a list of all running proecesses to ccp. searching for know macros in your hard drive/process table which is an invasion of privacy, as told by blizzard. do you really want eve 2 be like wow?
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Zaknussem Edited by: Zaknussem on 29/05/2008 09:43:54 omglollolol: No. Those NPC corps would be permawardecced by people whom think n00b-shooting is fun. Besides, the macro-miners would just start macro-corps on the day they get "kicked out" of the NPC corp. The moment someone wardecs the macro-corp, the corp is shut down and all of its members would run and hide in an NPC corp for as long as possible. Your suggestion would not solve anything, and only create more problems, not to mention spreading out the current ones. Also, post with your main, and not some n00bcorp-hugging alt. That's the idea of it.. to have it permadecced, so that it forces people to find a player corp.. If they create macro corp, wardec it again, if they go away make them drop to 2nd noobcorp which is perma deced. Problem solved... there's something called recruitment channel.. many corps will welcome new players.. my suggestion would not solve the problem in the most fashionable way, however it would change things and slow macro miners down in their efforts. I didn't think about it at all, it just popped in my mind as suggestion.. there's no reason wasting my time and energy trying to come up with a better solution since even if i have it, it won't get applied. (CCP is paid by macro miners as it's paid by regulars, and I'm inclined to believe the developers rather get paid than to make themselves poor and things fair for everyone. 'Greed can overcome even the best friendship' remember? There's not much people/players can do themselves, it's up to devs. We can try to fix it ourselves, but we'll never be successful enuf to stop it. So I guess the only thing left is to face the music and dance And this is my main for forum posting, anything wrong about it? ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Naroekie I sit in a 0.7 system mining ice with my 4 accounts....Get accused of macro mining just because I can use 4 accounts on one machine....and yet there are almost 30 odd people mining ice in the same belt everyday, not responding in local, mining for 6 mins warping to the station , warping back, waiting a min then start mining. they autoreject conversations, they are there DT to DT. and what is done about them. Nothing...I know it keeps the price of ice down but still this is just one system with ice in and there are serveal others with ice in that are worse. Why oh why does CCP still sit there and do nothing about them..... Simple really...they pay for the account and the isk stays in game..why ban someone when they pay you to be afk macromining all day. CCP cant ban them because they need Evidence You should be lucky though that CCP "needs" evidence, because if not those who accused you for being a macro could have you banned just because you use lots of vessels. And lets say you where on the bathroom for a while? Or had your head down in a book reading while your mining lasers humming happily away? There are so many reasons why for a lots of things. So yes, they need evidence! We the players can whine and moan as much we want to. It does not change the fact: A company like CCP "needs" evidence! You simply "cant" lock out players based on gut feeling alone! Yet all that gets banned is the account.. with the speed macroers earning money, it would be silly to think that if you pwn one, ten other won't come. Furthermore, I'll take this opportunity to publicly accuse 0.0 alliances of running macroers all over the place. Connection is quite logical and rational. It'd be naive to think that macroers are ran by someone who just started, right? If you asking me for EVIDENCE of this, lemme just say that the level of proving it is insanely high and equal to ME asking YOU to prove you're not running 'em! Just so you know where it comes from, now that we know it, back to the question of how to stop it, mkay? ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Cruthensis Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Seetesh Just go smartbomb them that will take care of this slowly, and keep doing it in a big group join the channel : marcointel Marco is a truly awesome source of intel, but if I were to choose a channel for sharing intel, specifically on macros and farmers, I'd probably join macrointel instead. 1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1.
Shaloran Kalior Rakeriku Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:54:00 - [23] Why should people be forced to be in a player corp? I know of plenty of people who enjoy being in an NPC corp, so they can mess around in high sec, playing their game in the sandbox. They like talking to the 150+ people in that corp, they enjoy spending all their time in high sec trading/mining/mission running while not having to worry about being wardecced. Its not my game, and apparently its not yours either. But who are you to decide what game they should be playing? =============================================== this space for rent 1 million isk/character/week unauthorised users will be poked
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Shaloran Kalior Why should people be forced to be in a player corp? I know of plenty of people who enjoy being in an NPC corp, so they can mess around in high sec, playing their game in the sandbox. They like talking to the 150+ people in that corp, they enjoy spending all their time in high sec trading/mining/mission running while not having to worry about being wardecced. Its not my game, and apparently its not yours either. But who are you to decide what game they should be playing? I don't give a 'outcome-of-bbq-after-a-few-hours' about what game is this for others... they do what they do, everything I say is extremly subjective and incorporates my own vision, who are the others and why I should care about them? ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Shaloran Kalior Why should people be forced to be in a player corp? I know of plenty of people who enjoy being in an NPC corp, so they can mess around in high sec, playing their game in the sandbox. They like talking to the 150+ people in that corp, they enjoy spending all their time in high sec trading/mining/mission running while not having to worry about being wardecced. Its not my game, and apparently its not yours either. But who are you to decide what game they should be playing? boo
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:01:00 - [26] actually being a pirate in an npc corp is cool because you cant get a war dec
Gotchy ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:08:00 - [27] If you petition them, there is something being done. If something is not visible to you, doesnt mean there is nothing be done. CCP has stated numerous times that investingating such people takes its time. Also they dont publish much infos about how many macroers they banned.
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Gotchy If you petition them, there is something being done. If something is not visible to you, doesnt mean there is nothing be done. CCP has stated numerous times that investingating such people takes its time. Also they dont publish much infos about how many macroers they banned. correct me if i'm wrong but if something isn't visible doesnt mean that anything is being done about it either. It's better to doubt than be naive. ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Gotchy ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:19:00 - [29] I think with my 5 years of game time in EvE im far from naive. I question CCP sometimes aswell (CSM for example). But seeing vanish macroers in my area tells me something is done....
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:20:00 - [30] Petition macroers does help alittle. But its like a drop in the ocean and basicly not a good thing to waste CCPs time with. because they use alot of time and money to remove maybe 0.1% of the macroers after 1-2 weeks. Instead they should fix the core issue. The unpopable roids in droves. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry

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