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McBrite
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.31 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain The domi is fine, you fail at PVP.
Actually I dont think you should post unless u bother to read things first.
I had him warp scrambled, webbed and perma jammed as in he could not target forever.
It was not just a PVP we were 1 v 1 testing.
I don't see how anyone can argue that he should be able to perma tank that sorta punishment in a Tech 1 BS especially when he is 9 months older and from his own confession skills are not that good.
I would not of mattered if I was in a Raven or any other ship only thing that could of broken it was a marauder. So now to solo a domi you have to use a marauder???
Come on..... Uber tanking with drone bonuses gimme a break.
Somehow this all sounds the same to me: "blablabla so I wanted to wtfbbq-gank him and fitted acordingly ...blablabla... turns out his Ogre II's got me in the end! WTF?!?!?¦!11 CCP!!! disregard ALL concerns for balancing and give ME MY I WIN BUTTON NOW! OR I QUITZ EVE! KTHX..."
Not cool...
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.05.31 06:16:00 -
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Ok, let's first agree:
[Widow, Ganked Widow] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II ECM - Ion Field Projector II ECM - Ion Field Projector II ECM - Ion Field Projector II ECM - Ion Field Projector II ECM - Ion Field Projector II
Caldari Navy Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Caldari Navy Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Caldari Navy Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Caldari Navy Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Caldari Navy Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Shadow Serpentis Large Plasma Smartbomb Shadow Serpentis Large Plasma Smartbomb
Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
This is about as ganky as you can make a Widow. With perfect skills, you'll hit 1217 DPS (1135 after reloading) with it. Against a Dominix, you'll be hitting 1135 DPS (1059 once you reload).
A pure T2 tank fit Domi can hit 621 DPS tanked on its lowest resist (explosive). As we can see, your DPS is significantly over the tankable DPS from the Domi. The specific fit follows.
6x Electron II 5x Cap Recharger II 2x LAR II, 4x Hardener II, EANM II <No Rigs>
Of course, this Domi can only tank 356/621 DPS - it is not cap stable. So we immediately know that the Domi cannot tank your DPS without rigs or a cap booster.
I have several theories. - Your friend fit a cap booster. - Your friend fit rigs (possibly T2) - Your friend fit a halo set (only has to tank 840 DPS against max gank Widow) - Your friend fit hardwirings - Your friend fit a deadspace tank (ridiculously easy to permatank you this way) - You accidently fit Logistics drones and a pair of remote armor reps and were repping him.
I personally prefer the last option, but truth-be-told the rigs, cap booster, hardiwirings, and halo set are all much more likely.
I'd personally have fit a deadspace tank with a halo set and hardwirings (sans the rigs, just so that I didn't lie to you about rigs). I would also be laughing at this thread, where you're making a fool of yourself. :)
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.05.31 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa
Like I said we were testing the ships out one on one and this is what we found which we both thought was completely looney that he was 9 months younger in skills and a tech 2 bs specialising in blk ops and missile operation skills 9 months older than him could not break his tank.
"Nine month younger": Why not say the pertinent part: he has 1 year of age. So if he has trained combat skills and gallente ships it is practically at the top of the skills in all relevant skills trees. His tank can be at max level, his energy skills at max and so on.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.05.31 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa
Originally by: Johho Bulon
Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa Edited by: Shinzu Takigawa on 29/05/2008 11:00:15 Actually it should be more than enough to take down a domi.
Did I forget to mention I was also using 4 yes 4 ballistic control units tech 2 giving extra refire and damage and it still was not enough.
9 month older characater. Drone interfacing 4 with 5 medium drones All missile skills to 4/5 Ship itself has torp bonuses Tech 2 BS v a lower level Tech 1 BS which is web scramed and perma jammed. 4 modules all giving bonuses to damage and refire rate. All torps used are against his lowest resist.
Gallente ships are well known for there crazy tanking abilitys mixed with there extra drone damage bonuses.
The domi is way over the top even the guy I was practising with said if he was in any other ship he would be dead even a hyperion.
Actually it shouldn't.
With a few aux nano or nano accelerator rigs a Domi can be made to tank 500dps with a single rep, if he had 2 reps and no plate then count on him being able to rep towards 1000dps for as long as his cap holds out.
Your DPS is topping out at just under the 900 mark, the domi can comfortably handle this without breaking a sweat, if his cargo bay is full of cap 800s and he has heavy injector II then he can probably go make a cup of tea and come back to find you still pounding away to no great effect.
Also, just to add, your web and jamming have no effect at all on the Domi's ability to tank that sort of damage. They just go to show that you have no idea at all of what you should be doing in your Widow.
And why is this all the case? Because your Widow is designed to do a largeish amount of supplemental damage in support of a small gang of stealth bombers and recons, whilst jamming out opfor primary targets. It isn't designed to win an all out slug fest versus a front line battleship like a Dominix, which can drop its Ogre IIs that will then auto agress when you jam the Domi, and lol at you as you vainly try to break its tank before they eat your scarcely tanked Widow alive.
Instead of complaining that Domi needs to be nerfed you should try thinking about what role your ship should play in a firefight. Because I guarantee that used correctly it would swing the fight in favour of your side. But used as a Muppet's choice bruiser its going to end up as expensive salvage material.
For the 5th time try reading all posts in topic for opening ur big mouth.
He was not using any cap boosters. Which has been mentioned a few times by idiots who dont read. I never said that webbing and jamming have an effect on a domi ability to tank so duno where u got that from.
And I know exactly what the widow is used for if you read the posts in this topic you would know that but I guess you could not be arsed and just wanted to open ur big mouth before knowing all the facts about what was brought up.
I find that hard to believe; to run a tank capable of soaking all your damage output he would need 2 LAR II, 3 T2 hardners, a DCU II and a EANM II, with at least two armour rigs.
Even putting 5 CPR II's in the mids does not give him sufficient cap to run two large armour repairers (at max skills you will obtain 58 cap/sec peak, 2x LAR II requires 70 cap/sec).
So either you're not telling the full story, or you really have no idea what he was fielding (faction kit for instance) and should quit while your ahead. --------------
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.05.31 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa
Originally by: AshtarDJ
Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa He was perma jammed webbed and scrammed GO READ OTHER POSTS BEFORE POSTING been mentioned a few times.
Go read the ship description of the Widow and you'll see that it's role is not to deal dmg. Stop whining about your pretty new ship sucking at dealing dmg and start learning how to use it well.... or just sell it to a player who will know how to use it.
How about you go read the other posts and then ul know what the hell ur talking about.
I think it's about time you provided proof or STFU, because as demonstrated by a number of people, what you are saying simply doesn't stack up. --------------
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Aakron
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.31 19:14:00 -
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try training torpedo level 2
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Danari
Viper Squad Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.31 20:20:00 -
[67]
This is not the ideas forum. Go away.
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Guns nButter
The Nietzian Way Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.02 06:01:00 -
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i read the first 10 posts, and tbh i think the op is an idiot. several things. first off, your widow has 5 launcher hardpoints, and only a 20% damage bonus. second off, t2 medium drones dont do JACK to a battleship, especially a dominix. third off, read up what black ops ships are even for to begin with. they are designed as jump portal platforms for cov ops gank squads. fourth off, i expect that any other battleship with a decent tank could take you on no problem at all. i mean, for ****s sake, the widow is an ECM platform with a single damage bonus, and only 5 launcher hard points. i can't believe you thought you could take on a dominix. fifth off, i don't know what your skill training is like. 9 months is a pretty new char, in my opinion.
/rant off
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DARTHxFREE
Double Indemnity
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa
Guess what?
Could not break his tank.
Absolutly classic!
no but really you are right, thiers no way a 7+3 slot ship should be able to tank a <1K dps ship /join Cheeze & Whine Club
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:40:00 -
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This thread still going? cool
Looking at what other people are posting the widow should actually be able to break the domi. If this is the case it needs nerfed asap
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Neddy Fox
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.02 14:26:00 -
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Shinzu, why not post your (EFT) DPS, and his tank numbers against your damage.
that way we at least could see if he was uberfitted, or you just havent got skills enough to break his tank.
BtW, you didn't fit properly, as stated before : fit neuts, and you have him in notime. Eve skills != player skills, he beat you fair and square, with better player skills.
As everyone can tell you, eve skills don't mean a lot, esp. if you are 2 years old and he is 1.3 years old.
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Eleana Tomelac
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.06.02 14:32:00 -
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Guys, do you think we can break his widow with an Ishkur?
Torps @ ishkur : lol And he had no tank, right? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Norjia Blacksteel
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.02 15:01:00 -
[73]
I've read all this. I don't see a problem. And I'm a miner. |
Antaiir
Eat My Shorts Inc. Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa
Ok 1 on 1 pvp
Could not break his tank.
Please fix.
Erm... can i have your stuff?
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Straight Chillen
Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.06.03 14:50:00 -
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The domi is perfectly fine exactly how it is. Dont be mad that your trying to use a scalpel to chop down a tree and getting poor results. Mabye you should try using the Black Ops as it was intended, and use it to catch people off guard. if u want to go toe to toe, u picked the wrong ship to do so.
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