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drones man	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:09:00 - [1] Now, i was bored and wanted to try my hand at lvl 4's with a myrmidon, and i was really surprised with the results, and believe this to tank as well as a drake. The DPS is on the low side, but i usually fly with a friend so that isn't an issue, as i am the tanker. Lows: 2 x MAR II 1 x EANM II 3 x Active hardener II's Mids: 5 x Cap Recharger II High: 2 x Drone link augmenters 1 x Light Neutron Blaster II then some drones in the bay Has anyone else experimented with this ship? i know isn't a good solo mission runner since the nerf, but i think it is nice as a tanker, and from testing it for a short time, it handled anything a lvl 4 could throw at it. Dman
NoNah	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:10:00 - [2] For a quick couple f questions, why only 3 active harderners? Rigs? How come the armor tank rather than a shield tank if you're not using cap in the highs anyway? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 497376
drones man	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:16:00 - [3] Edited by: drones man on 30/05/2008 00:16:59 sorry forgot rigs, this is my PVP ship i just decided to use, so teh rigs aint perfect 2 x auxil nano pump 1 x thermal resist rig And i have no shield skills, so i tank armour, i am also a firm believer that this armour tank can match a passive one. AS for the 3 hardeners, that works perfectly fine, it has been teste DMan
NoNah	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:19:00 - [4] I doubt you not that it works, I'm just asking your random "wouldn't it be better if"-questions. ;) I'm an avid domiuser myself, I see no reason in the existance of the myrmid from start and wouldn't set my foot in one normally. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 917488
drones man	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:21:00 - [5] Well the reason for myrmidon is simple, i have a -3.8 sec status and cant retrieve a dominix to where i am based xD myrmidon was the only ship around! When i have better sec i will be using my standard dual rep domi setup which i love. DMan
Drone AI1	Posted - 2008.05.30 01:15:00 - [6] Edited by: Drone AI1 on 30/05/2008 01:23:14 Originally by: drones man i am also a firm believer that this armour tank can match a passive one. if by passive you meant shield then: against 75% thermic damage (chose thermic due to you having a thermic rig). Armour: with that fit the best you can do with all skills at 5 (including battlecruiser for myrm bonus) and the rig modules being II is 625 tanking for just under 4 minutes. Shielding: A character with no II modules and only level 1 the necessary shield skills (shield upgrades, tactical shield and shield rigs) can get 446 tanking for just over 6 minutes, while having a much higher ehp(46k vs 33k) than the above armour player. The tanking goes down to 251 with no cap. A character with II modules can get 899 sustained tanking for just over 6 minutes, which goes down to 466 if theres no cap.
Imaos	Posted - 2008.05.30 09:06:00 - [7] Edited by: Imaos on 30/05/2008 09:09:00 Originally by: Drone AI1 Edited by: Drone AI1 on 30/05/2008 01:23:14 Originally by: drones man i am also a firm believer that this armour tank can match a passive one. if by passive you meant shield then: against 75% thermic damage (chose thermic due to you having a thermic rig). Armour: with that fit the best you can do with all skills at 5 (including battlecruiser for myrm bonus) and the rig modules being II is 625 tanking for just under 4 minutes. Shielding: A character with no II modules and only level 1 the necessary shield skills (shield upgrades, tactical shield and shield rigs) can get 446 tanking for just over 6 minutes, while having a much higher ehp(46k vs 33k) than the above armour player. The tanking goes down to 251 with no cap. A character with II modules can get 899 sustained tanking for just over 6 minutes, which goes down to 466 if theres no cap. I bet with passive he meant passive shield (relying on shield recharge rate). As the rigs are on the ship he can well use armor tanking. If he had equal shield skills as armor skills, passive shield is the way to go. (And rigs make a big difference there). Passive shield: Lows: 6x SPR t2 Meds: 3x LSE t2, 2x Invuln t2 Highs: 2x DLA, 4x 425mm Autocannon (maybe artillery, but needs cpu implant) 466 tanking with his rigs on. 909 tanking with 3 purger rigs for almost 13min. 678 tanking with one invuln only for an hour. 479 tanking with both of and perma. With mission specific hardeners you last longer as they use less cap. Ship is tight on CPU, plenty grid to spare. Of course less shield skills = a lot less tank. So yes. armor tanking is the way to go for him. Edit: Forgot to say. about 450 tanked is ok for level 4 if you manage aggro. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
vostok Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:51:00 - [8] Edited by: vostok on 30/05/2008 11:52:24 Originally by: Drone AI1 Edited by: Drone AI1 on 30/05/2008 01:23:14 A character with II modules can get 899 sustained tanking for just over 6 minutes, which goes down to 466 if theres no cap. You wouldn't be using hybrids there would you, because I would hope your tank could run for more than 6 minutes. My myrm fitting will tank 887 and run for 51 minutes, I know which I would rather have for a mission... edit: Also, mine only drops down to 640 dps tank when it has no cap.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:53:00 - [9] Originally by: drones man AS for the 3 hardeners, that works perfectly fine, it has been teste DMan HIRING\|KB\|PRESS
Enden Assulu Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:26:00 - [10] There is no reason to shield tank the myrmidon when it gives bonuses to armor repping. Quote: Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones, and 7.5% increase to armor repair amount per level So a dual repping set up is better also the myrm has more low slots so it can armor tank better and please no EFT warrriors. * * * M3h Skillz
Imaos	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Enden Assulu There is no reason to shield tank the myrmidon when it gives bonuses to armor repping. Quote: Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones, and 7.5% increase to armor repair amount per level So a dual repping set up is better also the myrm has more low slots so it can armor tank better and please no EFT warrriors. All gallente drone boats can be shield tanked quite easily. Lots of lows = easily boosted shield regen. Paired with capless guns (no hybrid bonus) and you have a valid choice in passive shield tanking. You even have enough tank if you go total capless and t1 rigs on the ship. Not much use besides missions (and I prefer the brutix anyway, Domi for l4), but the myrm can field a nice shield tank which opens up PG for guns. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
Miranda Ceres	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Enden Assulu There is no reason to shield tank the myrmidon when it gives bonuses to armor repping. hahahahahahha
Drone AI1	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Enden Assulu There is no reason to shield tank the myrmidon when it gives bonuses to armor repping. Quote: Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones, and 7.5% increase to armor repair amount per level I took that into account in my analysis and shield is still far superior.
Deviana Sevidon Panta-Rhei Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:52:00 - [14] When passive Shield-Tanking is superior to the ships build in armor-tanking bonus, then tsomething is wrong with balancing.
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:47:00 - [15] Uh thats nothing new I did quite some L4 in Myrm; but Dominix is the same just better even without any extra skills. Also I routinely run L4s on a noob char in Drake and it's far from tense. Oh and Myrm can outtank Drake if set up for an all out tank.
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:09:00 - [16] Edited by: Gimpb on 30/05/2008 17:11:42 When I was a complete nub doing missions in a myrm 5 months ago I bought into all the "passive tank rox" stuff. So I actually worked through the Lv3s of ministry of war with a passive shield tank (mostly laser damage missions). What I should have done was say screw the shield tanked myrmidon, worked on support skills that will actually be good for other gallente ships, and armor tank that thing. It would have been much easier... and broken warps only added insult to injury. So I guess what I'm saying is unless you're cross training min/caldari or are big on T2 cruisers, work on your armor skills, they'll serve you better. There's not enough of a difference between armor tanking and shield tanking on the boat to be worth the cross train... especially since it's just a stop between the vexor and the dominix.
drones man	Posted - 2008.05.31 20:53:00 - [17] Yes, there are EFT warriors saying that their shields are better, but that is just a lie, and some of the numbers are just wrong. I get over 750DPS tank out of my active armour tank, and it is easy enough for anything i have come across so far. Another thing that the EFT warriors might want to think about is the increased SIG RADIUS of a passive tank, where you will be taking more damage from the rats. Dman
Praxis1452 Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.31 23:20:00 - [18] Originally by: drones man Yes, there are EFT warriors saying that their shields are better, but that is just a lie, and some of the numbers are just wrong. I get over 750DPS tank out of my active armour tank, and it is easy enough for anything i have come across so far. Another thing that the EFT warriors might want to think about is the increased SIG RADIUS of a passive tank, where you will be taking more damage from the rats. Dman While using a shield tank is much easier to an extent the armor tank wins because SPR's take away cap recharger so you can do more damage with the armor tank by actually using rails or w/e long range gun you want because the myrmidon does not get a gun bonus. For example you can fit a full rack of 200mm railguns so x6 + all your drones while running a 850dps tank while still putting out 400 damage with lead ammo. -------------------------------------------- ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it"
Pans Exual Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:13:00 - [19] 6x 200mm rails invuln 4x large shield extender 3x pds 3x shield power relay 3x shield extender rigs I'm no EFT warrior, this easily runs level 4 missions... Not that armor tanking isn;'t valid, just wanted to point this out to all of the shield-tanked-myrm haters. --- basically: "nerf rock, paper is fine" -scissors
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Pans Exual 6x 200mm rails invuln 4x large shield extender 3x pds 3x shield power relay 3x shield extender rigs I'm no EFT warrior, this easily runs level 4 missions... Not that armor tanking isn;'t valid, just wanted to point this out to all of the shield-tanked-myrm haters. yay for the first reasonable (reasonable != optimal) shield tanked fit in the thread (still over tanked), you seriously don't want to cap out warping from station to gate to mission, watch out if you have to make 2 jumps! overall the shield tanked and armor tanked have about the same efficiency, and both are over tanked for gurista/serpentis. if we switch to say sanshas, well the armor tanked should be able to do it with one rep running, and 4 hardeners. the shield tanked, still over tanked with a thermal and em hardener. still doesn't change the fact you are better off in a battleship
Zantei	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:57:00 - [21] A passively shield tanked myrm, using hybrids, is going to need some form of cap injector.
drones man	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:20:00 - [22] Note: the myrmidon HAS been slain :( Running the first room of worlds collide i pulled all aggro as a test and i hit a lag spike, when i came out of it was in a pod. Dman
vostok Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.06.01 03:59:00 - [23] Firstly, myrm sucks for level 4 now, you WILL meet stuff you can't kill and what you can kill will take you a long time, so... get a domi, not much more expensive and easier to fit imo. If you insist on a myrm use something like this, projectile weapons are imperative to a passive shield. this will prob complete lvl 4 without rigs if you don't suck as a pilot, but again, get a domi lol. 6 x Shield Power Relay II 1 x Invulnerability Field II 4 x Large Shield Extender II 6 x 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 3 x Core Defence Field Purger I Ogre II x3
vostok Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.06.01 04:10:00 - [24] Originally by: drones man Note: the myrmidon HAS been slain :( Running the first room of worlds collide i pulled all aggro as a test and i hit a lag spike, when i came out of it was in a pod. Dman YAY double post, and you ******* noob, oooooo, ''shield tank myrm sucks'', ''armour tank for the win'', ''I can take 750'', YOU PLEB, wc is a cakewalk and you just proved yourself wrong in front of everybody, ignore this tit people he is yet another idiot shunning eft because ''it doesn't work'', as if. An eft warrior is somebody who starts a thread about a 45 billion isk fitted mothership (cough a few days ago cough) as if they will ever fly one. EFT is a great help to people fitting ships and people helping others, on forums or otherwise, and just because you think you know what your doing (which you obviously don't) does not mean anybody should give a **** what you say.
Drone AI1	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:28:00 - [25] Edited by: Drone AI1 on 01/06/2008 10:29:34 I agree that getting into a domi is better in the long run, was just saying that if he insists on a myrm tanker and plans to keep it for quite some time (full on t2 rigs...etc), then he might as well go a shield tanking myrm that can do better than a armour myrm for much lower SP and ISK.
Sparkinator Unnatural Growth	Posted - 2008.06.01 11:15:00 - [26] Originally by: vostok Firstly, myrm sucks for level 4 now, you WILL meet stuff you can't kill and what you can kill will take you a long time, so... get a domi, not much more expensive and easier to fit imo. If you insist on a myrm use something like this, projectile weapons are imperative to a passive shield. this will prob complete lvl 4 without rigs if you don't suck as a pilot, but again, get a domi lol. 6 x Shield Power Relay II 1 x Invulnerability Field II 4 x Large Shield Extender II 6 x 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 3 x Core Defence Field Purger I Ogre II x3 Fail. I did many level 4s at 2.5 months old in my Myrm, nothing I couldn't kill. Yes, it did take longer, though. 2x CCC, 1x Aux nano Pump. 4x Modal Neutron Blaster, 2x drone link aug. 1x 10Mn T2 AB, 4x T2 Cap Recharger. 4x T2 Mission Specific Hardener, 2x t2 medium Armor Repairer. That setup rocked. Also, T2 drones take **** long to train for, if you are going for them you are probably already in a domi. --------------------------- Your neighborhood sociopath.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2008.06.01 23:14:00 - [27] Originally by: vostok Originally by: drones man Note: the myrmidon HAS been slain :( Running the first room of worlds collide i pulled all aggro as a test and i hit a lag spike, when i came out of it was in a pod. Dman YAY double post, and you ******* noob, oooooo, ''shield tank myrm sucks'', ''armour tank for the win'', ''I can take 750'', YOU PLEB, wc is a cakewalk and you just proved yourself wrong in front of everybody, ignore this tit people he is yet another idiot shunning eft because ''it doesn't work'', as if. An eft warrior is somebody who starts a thread about a 45 billion isk fitted mothership (cough a few days ago cough) as if they will ever fly one. EFT is a great help to people fitting ships and people helping others, on forums or otherwise, and just because you think you know what your doing (which you obviously don't) does not mean anybody should give a ** what you say. Amphetamine hits you perfectly, wrecking for wtfjibberjabber. Seriously dude, smoke a fatty and chill the ** out. HIRING\|KB\|PRESS
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Galliana Foresta Originally by: vostok Originally by: drones man Note: the myrmidon HAS been slain :( Running the first room of worlds collide i pulled all aggro as a test and i hit a lag spike, when i came out of it was in a pod. Dman YAY double post, and you ******* noob, oooooo, ''shield tank myrm sucks'', ''armour tank for the win'', ''I can take 750'', YOU PLEB, wc is a cakewalk and you just proved yourself wrong in front of everybody, ignore this tit people he is yet another idiot shunning eft because ''it doesn't work'', as if. An eft warrior is somebody who starts a thread about a 45 billion isk fitted mothership (cough a few days ago cough) as if they will ever fly one. EFT is a great help to people fitting ships and people helping others, on forums or otherwise, and just because you think you know what your doing (which you obviously don't) does not mean anybody should give a ** what you say. Amphetamine hits you perfectly, wrecking for wtfjibberjabber. Seriously dude, smoke a fatty and chill the ** out. seriously (you did get him on the armor is > shields part though) and still 750 tankable is still way over tanked even for worlds collide... my trusty 450 dps tanked raven did it just fine
Kano Sekor modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:44:00 - [29] Edited by: Kano Sekor on 03/06/2008 08:01:34 Edited by: Kano Sekor on 03/06/2008 07:45:54 Im an amarr char that has crosstrained (now that sounds healthy) some gallente skills mainly to use their t2 frigs (intys,af:s) and t1 cruisers. I have good drone skills since i wanted to max out my arbitrator. So now i was thinking on missions and earlier ive been flying Harbinger for missions but it was teh suck, now i see this little gem and realise i can actually fly it. (i have gallente cruiser lvl 3 didnt realise battlecruisers is a non racial skill) and got BC lvl IV. So i was thinking something along this way [highs] 5 x 200 mm Prototype Gauss Gun I w/ Plutonium (cant use t2 med hybrids) 1 x Medium solace remote rep [meds] 4 x Cap recharger II 1 x 10 MN AB II [lows] 2 x Mar II 4 x Mission specific Hardeners Drones: 5 x Hammerhead II 5 x Medium Armor Maintenance bots The remote repping is cause im doing my missions with a friend who is also in a myrm if anyone of us whould get all the aggro and by some act of malicious missions designers we wouldnt be able to tank the other guy can switch to armor rep drones and remote rep the other guy. [EDIT: tested on friends EFT and it will work quite nicely with a dps of slightly under 300 with optimal at 16 km with 13 km falloff runs cap stable with AB and Remote repper off or with remote repper on and MAR:s off] ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Asphasyia	Posted - 2008.07.30 18:32:00 - [30] Edited by: Asphasyia on 30/07/2008 18:33:00 Ratting 4x 250mm Scout, 2x Nos AB II, Web, 3x Cap Rechargers MAR II, SAR II, 2x Hardeners, Adaptive Nano II, CPR Drones of choice, runs forever. ??

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