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M Inger
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Posted - 2008.05.30 02:04:00 -
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What you think? LP stores for mission runners offer Navy BPC items for LP points + items. Maybe an idea to allow R&D agents to do the same?
For example, it would take maybe 4 months of points to get a 5run ship BPC at ME:0 and PE:0 with a high quality L4 agent.
Or a month of points to get a 10run module BPC, again at ME:0 and PE:0?
Or even maybe max run BPC's costing whatever is considered a worthwile investment of saving R&D points?
Just a random thought I had.
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Xonox Galatorg
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.05.30 05:13:00 -
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I like the idea. Not sure what would be a good balance though, but I'm sure something could be figured out.
-Xonox
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Luyshin
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Posted - 2008.05.30 06:25:00 -
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Invention can easily keep up with T2 demand, and then some. Making the BPC is actually the easy part. The real bottleneck in T2 production is moon materials.
I would rather have the LP stores giving out pre-assembled T2 components specific for their race (i.e. crystalline carbonide armor plate from Duvolle labs and buclear reactor unit from Complexion, etc.). |
Burchov
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.30 09:10:00 -
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No.
As said, invention can easily keep up with T2 demand. In fact, a lot of T2 items already have a massive oversupply. Giving mission runners the ability to get better T2 BPCs than inventors means that invention will become absolutely useless, as inventors can't compete with the ME 0 BPCs that mission runners get.
Also, the LP store is a supply of unique items (faction items and implants), it shouldn't be used to supply everyday items. The only exception to this are charters, as you need those for an empire POS and for an empire POS you need good faction standings, which you get from mission running. (And before you scream "datacores come from missions too!", true, but not from the LP store)
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Vlad Dakovnovich
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:42:00 -
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i think giving out the bpc's would be a bad idea, because as already said i makes invention kind of secondary. I like the idea however of a R&D store where you can cash in your points for stuff other than datacores.
Say datacores, decryptors, data interfaces etc and maybe even some of the items that you need moon minerals to make, race specific of course.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.30 17:39:00 -
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I agree with most of what's been said here. There's no point to buying BPCs directly with RP since that's what's being done already via invention. Either it's going to be a better way, in which case invention goes away, or it's going to be worse in which case people will continue to buy datacores. There's no variety. Burchov's suggestion is more interesting since it doesn't duplicate existing functionality, but I see any attempt to raise the value of R&D datacores will hit the invention market. The problem as I see it, is that an increase in the value of datacores is going to reduce the profit of inventors. The value of a t2 BPC is capped by competing options like resale of existing t2 equipment, faction ships, and t2 BPOs.
Personally, I don't see the need to artificially increase the value of passive income like datacore farming. Instead, I suggest harder R&D missions that actually offer a little reward, LP, and standing increase in addition to the usual RP boost.
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Xonox Galatorg
Pulsar Combat Supplies
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Posted - 2008.05.30 17:58:00 -
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I would just like to be able to spend my RP on something other than datacores if I want to. I suppose being able to buy T2 BPCs would sort of defeat the purpose of being able to buy datacores.
-Xonox
Pulsar Combat Supplies, Director of Production and POS |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.31 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 31/05/2008 09:20:12
This idea would be good IF and ONLY IF they would be -4/-4 BPCs and they would cost MUCH more RP than the average invention job AND also enough ISK to cover for the usual T1 BPC costs.
So, for instance, if it would cost you around 1000-1500 mecheang RP (or 3000-4500 starship engineering RP) plus 3-5 mil ISK for a 1-run -4 ME, -4 PE T2 frigate blueprint, that would be kind of ok-ish 
I bet somebody will actually take that deal, even if it would be completely and utterly pointless.
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P.S. Translation : no, bad idea. Too low cost and it's damaging the whole idea of invention, too high cost and it's pointless, and there's no middle ground for this anyway.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.31 21:09:00 -
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T2 bpcs aren't needed to keep the economy healthy.
Decryptors, however, now that would be something interesting...
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Saarem
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Posted - 2008.06.01 11:24:00 -
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Only if the R&D points actually had to be earned instead of simply grinding up the faction high enough and let it flow in, if people actually had to gring out those R&D points (as they have for LP) I could see some interesting paths opening up. I'd probably not go for BPCs (invention territory) but rather say a new invention part to improve ME/PE (beyond the current decryptors etc.) or moon materials (interesting way to at least partly offset the glut but would also have to be very limited to not make moon mining/reactions useless).
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