It's still there actually, you just don't know how to successfully link things on this (admittedly complete failure of a) board.

You need to use a url shortener thanks to CCP's shoddy implementation.

Wow no wonder COA guys get made fun of so much by EvE players. They cant popp a carrier so they fake it. Nice. When i get older I want to be just like you.

I'd say the only thing more pathetic is selfdestructing your carrier, but that's just me.

I'd rather c*ck block a carrier kill any day of the week rather than have that loss up on our KB, but thats just me.

Why? Is your ego so affected by a list of spacepixel ship losses? And if so, aren't your killboard stats just a bunch of fake if you do that?
If you were about to lose it do it like a man ffs.

Since this Thanny didn't die, you felt you had to RP that it did on the killboards or something? What's up?

Whatever you may think about self destructing ships, it didn't die to CoA.

They falsified a kill mail. Put more simply; they're lying.

And here I was thinking anti-pirates were the 'good guys' bastions of virtue and morality.

How low you have sunk.

I accept that might not be popular with anyone though.

Thats a really intresting carrier Kill mail loss of my carrier that self destructed, lol. Thats pretty sad that Coa had to go off and make and put up a fake kill mail. The even funnier thing is that fit wasnt even close to what was actually on the carrier, lol. This is what a real kill mail looks like for who ever posted that fake one http://www.silnt.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12674011

This i do admit gave me a really good laugh to see the fake KM with a fail pvp fit, lol. way to make my day.

The matter is under investigation, good sir.

_GûêGûê_
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From Criggas Bio " To the Last Ship, To the last bullet, to the last minute, "WE FIGHT"

Unless you press self destruct first of course.

Our fleet consisted of 12 guys vs there 25+ man fleet and we still engaged first, lol.

"Come At Me Bro"

Kaeda, the killboard openly states that the carrier SDed. If it didnGÇÖt, IGÇÖd agree it was lying but that wasnGÇÖt the case here.

IGÇÖm not saying I think you should agree with that alternate point of view but I think there a distinction between this case and trying to pass off an SD as a kill.

Regards,
Sparks

Whatever you may think about self destructing ships, it didn't die to CoA.

And here I was thinking anti-pirates were the 'good guys' bastions of virtue and morality.

So Sparkus is justifying the fabrication of killmails that do not accurately depict what was killed and who killed it as "completing the picture of battle".

How many other killmails has Fend and COA fabricated?

Why? Is your ego so affected by a list of spacepixel ship losses? And if so, aren't your killboard stats just a bunch of fake if you do that?
If you were about to lose it do it like a man ffs.

To my knowledge, this is the first time anyone in Fend or COA has posted a "kill" for a SDed ship and as it was done alongside openly stating it SDed.

The general level of interest in seems quite high seeing as it was posted on a private board rather than Eve Kill or Battleclinic where it would mess up other people's boards including Silent and Fend.

this is my final post to this, The fit was not even close to being right on the fake KM for 1, For even tho you state that the kill mail was a fake and that my ship did go from self-destruct. your still padding your boards with fake km's which looks really bad on your part. for 3 im not mad when this was shown to me i was honestly amazed that this is how it gotten played out and then i started to laugh, lol. all in all i did have a fun in that fight and had gotten alot of laughs out the whole situation so i will not be trolling this thread anymore good day to all of you and fly safe!

Taked a bigger man to blow up his own cap ship rather than give it to someone who dont deserve it, in my eyes. i knew what i was getting myself into before i blew my own ship up, lol. Our fleet consisted of 12 guys vs there 25+ man fleet and we still engaged first, lol.

Gotta love game mechanics, what do you think its there for or do you just think people randomly self-destruct for the F*uck of it

So I asked around, and here are the facts as I understand them. Please chime in with additional information or corrections.

On Wednesday night/Thursday morning Altaen was leading his usual anti-pirate roam.
The Coalition of Anti-Pirates destroys a Silent fleet.
Crigga ejects from his Thanatos to avoid an embarrassing kill mail.
Crigga then taunts the COA fleet about said kill mail.
COA fleet members make a kill mail for Crigga's carrier.
The kill mail accurately reflects the loss of Crigga's carrier.
The kill mail is posted to the COA KB, but does not appear on Battle Clinic.

Now as I say in this thread, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=918568#post918568, I think this is a creative way to make up for a gap in how kills are reported by Eve to kill boards. Essentially, pilots can self destruct ships they are about to lose to avoid a kill mail. This artificially boosts their kill to loss efficiency, as well as that of their corp or alliance. So in this sense, these seem like kill mails that supplement a flawed game mechanic in Eve.

At the same time, one can see how using supplemental kill mails is rife for abuse. While at Eve U, we identified several pirate and mercenary corps that used fake kill mails to to boost their stats, and attract recruits and customers. There is a difference between a supplemental kill mail and a fake kill mail, to be sure, but the mechanism of submitting them is still open to abuse. And there is the matter of posting our own self destructs under fire, if we are going to report the self destructs of others.

I'll stop there. Others have better first hand information on the engagement, and more developed thoughts about the propriety that I.

Still, we would like to know what you folks think about using supplemental kill mails like this. Is it a good or bad thing? Why? Take the poll and leave us a comment too!

Cheers

I think it is fair to have the self-generated KB, the 'kill' is clearly tagged as a self-destruct. We aren't claiming that we killed it, we are depicting a more accurate display of how that battle unfolded. The pirates will use what ever they want to smack talk us. be it this be it anything else. If they have a problem with how we EVE, they can show up to their POCO def/POS attack and lose some more carriers.

It's not really worth our attention. If Crigga were not able to self destruct his carrier in time do you know what they would do? they would shoot Crigga's carrier with 1 volley only so that it shows up as a kill on SILENT's killboard, thus balancing their loss/kill ratio. Every pirate org does this intentionally so that carrier losses do not ruin their ratio. Look at the 3 SILENT carrier losses the next day. they all have friendly fire for this reason.

There's all kinds of killboard stats manipulations that happen. Friendly fire is one example, not posting losses is another. If anyone takes killboard stats seriously enough to ***** about 'padding' they should be slapped.

P.S. Crigga self destructed his carrier. He didn't eject.

For my part, I like the idea of posting supplemental kill mails as long as we have a policy so it is not abused. I'm thinking of something that allows for postings of carriers and other ships over a billion isk if self-destructed while under fire.

Cheers

For my part, I like the idea of posting supplemental kill mails as long as we have a policy so it is not abused. I'm thinking of something that allows for postings of carriers and other ships over a billion isk if self-destructed while under fire.

From Criggas Bio " To the Last Ship, To the last bullet, to the last minute, "WE FIGHT"

Unless you press self destruct first of course.

You guys mind holding on a minute, I gotta go make a new bag of popcorn

Off topic, we really need an emoticon that's like :eatingpopcorn:

Off topic, we really need an emoticon that's like :gobblingcock:

Isk efficiency and killboards is serious business.

I think we can all just agree that both S I L E N T and COA are equally bad and move on.

Bring enough dps to finish the job or accept you may not get the trophy you were hunting. Faking however is some pretty lame s**t.

As can be seen from the comments on the killboard, it's openly stated that it SDed rather than died. So I donGÇÖt think thatGÇÖs RP so much as completing the picture of battle.

the irony of the whole situation is that the coa + electus mitari fleet couldn't break our solo carrier tank until a neutral 23+man aaa fleet arrived on the scene and joined in the fun.- but you didn't see them whining in local or posting fake mails or crying on the forums

At the end of the day- it took 20+ of you guys way too long to take down a solo carrier.. embarrassing.
Posting a fake kill mail on the forums hasn't done you any favors and shows the integrity of your so called anti-pirate coalition.

Thats a really intresting carrier Kill mail loss of my carrier that self destructed, lol.

The end result is after floating the discussion and voting , COA decided it was not appropriate.

Out of curiousity, why hasn't the inappropriate fake killmail been deleted if COA voted against it?