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Robinson Fargo	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:29:00 - [31] I too am surprised at all the friendliness on this forum - not that I had expected a particuarly unfriendly response tho. I have taken onboard all of the kind advice given and wisdom shared and I have come to the conclusion that I will train up 2 accounts - as it wont cause me too much financial bother. I will keep Robinson Fargo as a dedicated miner and I will train up a brand new Chairman Fargo to do the mission running/hauling. I reckon this way I'll get the best of both worlds. Only trouble is that I usually play on OSX and as far as I know you can't have 2 clients open at once...but i'd happily be proved otherwise. I spose if that is the case I'll just use my windows machine when running both accounts. One more thing though with regards to combat races/ships - I like the idea of Gallente as I see them as a kind of pet class and I've always favoured those. Unfortunatly they seem to be FOM at the moment and i'm always a bit wary of that. I want to fly a spaceship, not ride a bandwagon . I like the look of Amarr also, but capacitor issues scare the bejesus out of me. What are your thoughts on the differnt combat styles and weaknesses? Thanks a million for all the advice. Fargo
Rana Ash Aeon Trinity	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:30:00 - [32] Wow i have to agree with people, where did all the nice people come from? . Now i shall dispense some advice, never accept invites from people you do not know and trust. I can end up with you warping in and getting blown up. Also as this game keeps evolving, there will be patch days. Before each patch day you shall set a long skill to train, as things can happen. And you may not be able to go about your business as usual. Some have recommended that you do short skills when online and long when offline, i have found that useful. Oh and never fly what you can't afford to loose. ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
4rc4ng3L Assisted Homicide Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:30:00 - [33] Well lately the hate towards new people has being redirected toward any action ccp do.... resulting in a MUCH nicer experience for Ze New Comers. Best tell your friends to get in quick before ccp do something the forum mongers actually like Also, WELCOME TO EVE \o/ ------------------------------------------ - To Jumanji, or not to Jumanji...... -
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:34:00 - [34] Welcome to EVE-O Chairman. Several people have already answered your questions, but I may as well give you my input - I'll even go as far to explain my answers. 1. As many others have said, don't get Procurer first (performance reasons, not worth the trouble or cost), go for the big ones. The Retriever is widely accepted by miners as the minimum-standard barge to use. Eventually, you want to upgrade to a Coveter, and then eventually upgrade to the tech 2 Exhumer variants. The retriever's tech 2 variant is the Hulk. It is pretty much the end-of-the-line mining ship, in terms of performance - it is the most agonizing of mining ships to train, but it's the most productive mining ship in existence. This ship has the yield of a small fleet of mining cruisers put together. The Mackinaw is the tech 2 variant of the Retriever; this is specialized in ice mining if you get into this sort of thing. The Hulk, if probably configured, can properly mine ice too - but the Mackinaw is the top-dog for this kind of mining. The Skiff is the smallest Exhumer, but like it's tech 1 cousin it's rather useless and not worth it - you don't see these hardly. Even if you did see these - they would only be used for mining Mercoxit in 0.0 - which only a minority of miners in this game even have open access to. 2. The two most common methods that people mine by are cargo-mining and jet-can mining. Cargo-mining is when you fit your ship's lows and rig slots to give you a large cargo, and you basically mine until your hold is about to burst with ore, then drop it off at a station, then return back to the asteroids and repeat the process. Another form of cargo-mining is called AFK-mining - This is when you have ships with a very large hold, but low-yield mining, which you can sit in a belt to mine for 10-30 minutes straight before you have to unload the ore, or switch asteroids. The PROS: It's safe - ore thieves cannot take your ore from you. In low-sec, 0.0, or during a war - you also can dock immediately without losing any ore. The CONS: It's slow, and agonizing. In order to cargo mine you have to configure most or all of your low slots with expanded cargoholds, instead of mining laser upgrades. This obviously cuts into how much ore your mining over time, thus reducing how much your bringing in every hour. You also have to constantly warp back and forth between a station to unload your ore. Unless your in a mining fit capital, exhumer, or a hauler, you will be warping to unload at a station every 3-4 minutes at least. Jet-can mining is pretty much the opposite of cargo-mining. You are jettisoning your ore into a temporary canister into space, which holds 27,500m3 (which is a lot). These cans last for about 2 hours at most, but they will disappear unless you scoop them up before then. You can also jettison as many cans as you like (though there is a stacked cooldown timer for every time you jettison a can). This allows the miner to pretty much make a "pile" of ore next to their mining ship - you can then pick up the ore later with a hauling vessel, or have someone else do it for you. Mining operations usually go by this type of mining. This type of mining is faster because you are not using your hold to haul ore - so you can have mining upgrades on all of your low slots. You also are not taking 1-3 minute breaks to haul the ore to a station, so you have a constant stream of ore being mined as a result of this. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:35:00 - [35] The PROS: It's fast, as fast as it gets. If you want to really whipe asteriod belts clean in short time, and create a huge stock of ore, this is how you do it. The CONS: You are dropping your ore into open space in jet-cans, which can be stolen by other players, aka "Ore-Thiefs". You can shoot/kill the thief if you like, this is true - however that may be kind of hard to do in a mining ship, and you will probably lose all of the ore along with their ship even if you succeed. You also are risking your ore if hostile targets come around. If you run, you will likely lose all your ore in the belt that you had stored up in your can - or you can remain and attempt to get it out in time, and likely lose a ship + the ore. In other words, it's not that safe. Basically it's a tradeoff situation between the two methods. Pick what methods are suitable for your situation. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Quaxtl	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:46:00 - [36] Dont pick a minmatar engineer! Sure it gives you industry V, but you miss out on all the amazing support skills which you will NEED later on (ie refining V, Mining V, electronics IV (Im talking about an achura prospector here) among others). As for jet can mining, its quite secure - pirates are not all that common. Find an out of the way system, mine veld into a can until you have filled the cargo capacity of your hauler (I mean, the can has a capacity of 27.5km3, however say your hauler only has 9km3, fill the can with 9km3 of ore and haul it away then, not when the can is full). Not jet can mining in anything but a hulk is usually a whole lot slower than jet can mining. I would suggest you get the cruiser (and get cruiser III) before you start trainning for the retriever. And once you have the retriever, train ALL your learning skills to IV. By the way, a word of advice while you have your cruiser, try ninja mining genesis ore. Find a deserted system (not at all difficult), and mine the ore as far as you can get from the warp to zero point. Have a safe spot with a can close by that you are always aligned to and when you fill your hold, stick the ore in there. When the can reaches your hauler capacity, haul it away as normal. For people who know what they are doing, the dangers of low-sec are greatly exaggerated. Hope it helps, oh, and read halada's mining guide, it is stickied on industry page. Good luck, eve rocks.
xDow Fallen Pandas	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:56:00 - [37] A must read for ANY miner Miner Guide - I has a spaceship.
Quaxtl	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:07:00 - [38] Originally by: xDow A must read for ANY miner Miner Guide Thats the one.
Robinson Fargo	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Amastat If you have anymore question feel free to drop me a line in-game or eve-mail me. Thanks very much indeed for all your advice, it must have taken you a while to put that together and it's appreciated! I will definately get in touch if only to say hi, but I have to say that your Corp sounds great so it will probably be worth at least discussing it as some point if you are willing. Fargo
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Rana Ash Wow i have to agree with people, where did all the nice people come from? It's this danged weather, I tell you... we're all suffering from heat stroke or something like this 1\|2\|3\|4\|5

Charney deGeoff New Tibet	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Robinson Fargo I too am surprised at all the friendliness on this forum - not that I had expected a particuarly unfriendly response tho. After reading these forums since January, I'm actually very surprised by the lack of unfriendly responses. Usually these boards make the boards of the game I think you left look like course in rocket science. But hey, welcome to EVE, hope you enjoy your stay. Some very good advice in this thread, I didn't really go all out hardcore, I have just one account for mining/missions/hauling. I'm about 1.5 months from my Hulk and after that I'll take a break from mining and try to get some combat skills trained so I can be fairly useful in PvP situations if needed (even though I'm Caldari and the word is, we're useless in PvP - if only they'd written that somewhere in the create character screens :-) Anyhow, the most important advice I have to give is: Do the stuff that seems fun to you. Even though Learning skills are fantastically useful, don't feel like you have to get them all to 4, back-to-back. Take a break and train a "fun" skill in between to keep things interesting. They save you time, sure, but if you get bored and quit because all you do is train "useless" Learning skills for months, that's not good either. Keep the fun in space.. and see you around the belts! ;-)
Andreask14 Raptus Regaliter Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:45:00 - [42] Welcome to MMO-Hell! AHAHAHA! Sig offline
Maglorre	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Amastat Welcome to EVE-O Chairman. The retriever's tech 2 variant is the Hulk. It is pretty much the end-of-the-line mining ship, in terms of performance - it is the most agonizing of mining ships to train, but it's the most productive mining ship in existence. This ship has the yield of a small fleet of mining cruisers put together. The Mackinaw is the tech 2 variant of the Retriever; this is specialized in ice mining if you get into this sort of thing. The Hulk, if probably configured, can properly mine ice too - but the Mackinaw is the top-dog for this kind of mining. Make up your mind... just thought I would add some nastiness and flaming to this thread before we all start wanting a pretty pony and kittens in our ships.
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Chairman Fargo I have decided to become a full time miner My condolences. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Chairman Fargo I have decided to become a full time miner My condolences. Oh, please... with the latest trend of re-labeling insipid jobs, that should probably read "ore extraction and relocation engineer". You know... like, "sanitation engineer", "waste technician" or "hygiene maintenance specialist" 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:41:00 - [46] Edited by: Frug on 31/05/2008 14:42:05 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Frug Originally by: Chairman Fargo I have decided to become a full time miner My condolences. Oh, please... with the latest trend of re-labeling insipid jobs, that should probably read "ore extraction and relocation engineer". You know... like, "sanitation engineer", "waste technician" or "hygiene maintenance specialist" Organic redundant task execution unit Edit: you know, as opposed to the more common inorganic counterpart. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Rhak Amharr Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:53:00 - [47] You have all been reported for acting friendly, expect teh banhammer. Seriously though, good advice so far, no need to repeat it. Just wanted to add this: Don't let anybody tell you what you should do in eve. Personally, I hate mining, I dislike mission running, it's just piracy that keeps me hooked to this game. But if you think it's fun, go ahead and do it until you're either too old to play or bored. Just don't make the mistake of not trying out other stuff now and then, quitting over being bored from mining and mission running is a waste of a really cool game. Just experience everything, and if you're not having fun then (which won't happen), and only then, quit. :) Rhak
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:54:00 - [48] First off welcome to EVE. The above post pretty much say it all, but I did not see this link in my quick read of the thread, but you did get someone to link the Miners Guide. There is a forum for recruitment here If you are interested you can check my corp out here Siorai Iontach or convo Netherdream in game. Netherdream is a recruiter and our mining formen. Once again welcome, enjoy, and do not hesitate to ask questions. Slade
Martyr Theos The NecroMonger Faith	Posted - 2008.06.01 02:06:00 - [49] Oh, come on.... haven't you all figured out yet that this is just a CCP alt poser being helped by a handfull of CCP shills trying to convince the curious forum readers from Steam that Eve is really "not all that bad"... Great ploy guys. "Got License?" - TNMF
Rhatar Khurin Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.01 07:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Robinson Fargo Thanks for all the replies... I might give sending all my ISK to investors a miss though! Isn't there anyone out there that actually enjoys mining? Seems nice and relaxing to me. With regards to having abalanced all round char, I reckon that an engineer is prbably more balanced than a prospector if I wanted to diversify in a while? Fargo Hullo, i enjoy mining whilst chatting, although i can't do it permanently as then you start having dreams about mining and that's the last stage in madness lol. I went for prospector because i don't really have an urge to build anything and just sell all the ore. _ EVE RELATED CONTENT

Ammon Skycloud Matari Research Foundation	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:01:00 - [51] Edited by: Ammon Skycloud on 01/06/2008 10:02:55 Originally by: Robinson Fargo I too am surprised at all the friendliness on this forum - not that I had expected a particuarly unfriendly response tho. I have taken onboard all of the kind advice given and wisdom shared and I have come to the conclusion that I will train up 2 accounts - as it wont cause me too much financial bother. I will keep Robinson Fargo as a dedicated miner and I will train up a brand new Chairman Fargo to do the mission running/hauling. I reckon this way I'll get the best of both worlds. Only trouble is that I usually play on OSX and as far as I know you can't have 2 clients open at once...but i'd happily be proved otherwise. I spose if that is the case I'll just use my windows machine when running both accounts. One more thing though with regards to combat races/ships - I like the idea of Gallente as I see them as a kind of pet class and I've always favoured those. Unfortunatly they seem to be FOM at the moment and i'm always a bit wary of that. I want to fly a spaceship, not ride a bandwagon . I like the look of Amarr also, but capacitor issues scare the bejesus out of me. What are your thoughts on the differnt combat styles and weaknesses? Thanks a million for all the advice. Fargo Some more advice, I'm a career miner/industrialist myself it's not as boring as some may want to believe if you do a bit more than just mine the ore. Some advice in general about EVE, you've had some very nice and friendly interactions on these forums and that's great, but this is eve, you will die, you will get ganked, you will lose your ship, you will get your POD squished, you will get ransomed, you will get griefed, you will get your ore stolen and you will get scammed. But all of that is what makes EVE, EVE. 1. Trust no-one, not even your corp/corp mates 2. never ever fly something you can not replace 3. allways have a ship you can use to earn isk tucked away safe an secure somewhere in high sec. 4. Trust no-one. 5. Don't smack, be a good sport accept your losses as a learning experience. 6. Trust no-one 7. Don't add to the 0.01 isk undercutting wars, you're just going to kill your own profit in the long term and most importantly I'm not sure if I mentioned this... trust no-one
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Martyr Theos Oh, come on.... haven't you all figured out yet that this is just a CCP alt poser being helped by a handfull of CCP shills trying to convince the curious forum readers from Steam that Eve is really "not all that bad"... Great ploy guys. It's all true. Akita and I both got Navy Drakes for our part in this thread. I'll sell you mine for 100M though - I already have more than I need. Contract will be up in Jita 4-4, is that OK? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Fargo Troy	Posted - 2008.06.01 13:28:00 - [53] Im the OP again I'm finding it very difficult to make up my mind which race I want to be. I've had a play around with Amarr for a bit and they seem fun, but i'm petrified that I will keep wasting time dilly-dallying and not get stuck in. Anyone else had problems deciding when they first started? Fargo
IamDeaf	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:37:00 - [54] Edited by: IamDeaf on 02/06/2008 00:42:41 I won't be surprised if most people here have difficulty deciding what path they want to take when they first played the game - I was the same. It doesn't really matter, but you should try different things in the characters you have at the moment, and then later you may feel that that path is the best for you, then you make a new char specifically for that path. It won't hurt to try out different races or careers first; each is quite different. Welcome to EVE, btw you are what your name are - well, that applies to me.
Majuan Shuo Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:42:00 - [55] Originally by: Chairman Fargo Edited by: Chairman Fargo on 30/05/2008 19:23:59 Hi Guys, I've just discovered this fantastic Universe and I am happy to be a part of the community. I won't bore you which game I have "left" to come here as i'm sure you can guess (if the ingame chat is anything to go by ), but I have to say... what a fantastic find! I have decided to become a full time miner and I have a few (probably stupid) questions if someone wiser than I wouldn't mind responding: 1. Is it worth concentrating on getting into a barge ASAP or is it better to just go for a cruiser and stick with that for a bit? 2. I've heard much of jet-can mining and the subject seems to divide people as to whether it's a legit way of mining or not. It seems to me that there are obvious benefits and the only downside is ore theft.. is this an accurate assumption? 3. I was considering joining a noob friendly corp who requires dedicated miners. Is this a good idea early on or not? My concern is that perhaps I could be duped by a pirate corp who would a)steal my ore or b) blow me up for fun. Is this a legit concern or am I being paranoid? Thanks in advance for all your help. Fargo gahhh!?! no its a tarp! q-"WELL WHAT ABOUT THE PIRATE CODE!?" a-"well actually... they're more like guidelines.."
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.04 15:14:00 - [56] This thread is proof that the EVE community has nothing against new players, its just the Noobs! -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Algia Knightstorm	Posted - 2008.06.04 15:16:00 - [57] Originally by: Chairman Fargo Edited by: Chairman Fargo on 30/05/2008 19:23:59 3. I was considering joining a noob friendly corp who requires dedicated miners. Is this a good idea early on or not? My concern is that perhaps I could be duped by a pirate corp who would a)steal my ore or b) blow me up for fun. Is this a legit concern or am I being paranoid? Thanks in advance for all your help. Fargo You'll fit in just nicely fella. A shame more new players aren't like you.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.04 15:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Fargo Troy Im the OP again I'm finding it very difficult to make up my mind which race I want to be. I've had a play around with Amarr for a bit and they seem fun, but i'm petrified that I will keep wasting time dilly-dallying and not get stuck in. Anyone else had problems deciding when they first started? Fargo It's fine to take a couple of days deciding what you want. In fact it's advisable. I made 2 or 3 characters before settling on this one. Remember that the starting skills count for almost nothing in the long run - 800,000 SP is just over two weeks worth of training once your learning skills and +4s are running. Head over to the skills forum for lots of advice on starting characters and skills schedules. You can evemail me in game if you want to ask me more questions. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Chomin H'ak The Trivenerate	Posted - 2008.06.04 16:52:00 - [59] Hey there fellow Gallentean. Thought I'd give my 2 isk-worth. 1) If you're specialized in mining or continuing within that field, yes. If you decided that mission-w.h.oring is your field or maybe PvP, then work on your combat/ship skills. 2) Perfectly accurate. Jet-canning is a sure-fire way to see how Eve's risk vs reward system works! If jet can mining isn't your forte, then you've answered question #1 all by your lonesome. 3) Way to be paranoid! Welcome to Eve, you may just live long enough to enjoy yourself. To answer the question, yes and no. It is a good idea to join a corp. It isn't a good idea to join a corp that takes up your time with corp ops that are basically you (the newb) filling up the CEO's (scammer) wallet. Research will make you happy later. Know what you're getting into first. But yes, being in a well-managed, employee-oriented corp is great when you're beginning as it will instill in you a sense of the nature of New Eden as well as educate you on the finer details you probably would have missed on your own. GL, H'ak
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.06.04 16:52:00 - [60] I had my first character for 4 months before selling him and creating Joe. Consider your first character to be an experiment to find out what you want/like/need. Starting over after a couple months is OK, though frankly the sooner the better. ---------------- [insert signature here]



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