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Cilppiz
FinFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:13:00 -
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I have to agree with this one, though Im not sure if the issue can be solved solely by twieking projectiles or minnie battleships.
If I remember right, Tempest with max skills is the only Minnie BS hull - due the dual damage bonus from hull - that gives more DPS out of 800mm Repeating II than Siege Missile Launcher II in cases you dont have room for damage mods. If you dont have Minnie BS lvl4, fitting 4x Siege Missile Launcher II's and 4x 800mm Repeating II's will most likely give better DPS over 6x 800mm Repeating II's and 2x Siege Missile Launcher II's.
In Maelstorm (3 launcher slots) you need atleast 1x Gyro II and in Typhoon I doubt even 2x Gyro II's are enough to boost 800mm Repeating II DPS over what Siege Missli Launcher II can provide.
Ok, comparing two totally different weaponsystems has its own issues and autocannons are not about damage, but I recon were not far from situation where fitting everything but projectiles to minnie BS will give you the best damage output and I find this issue disturbing. It sure would be nice to be able fit AC's to Minnie battleships to get the best DPS possible.
PS: Maxed out char + Maelstrom fitting full rack of Neutron Blaster Cannon II's with CN AM will give 506 DPS when 800mm Repeating Artillery II's with RF EMP only adds up to 468 DPS
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Cilppiz
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.02 15:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Keela Bahni
Edited by: Keela Bahni on 02/06/2008 12:46:38
Mael does 800 DPS from turrets alone with 3 Gyro II, 800 IIs and RF EMP.
I can only get 765DPS out of said setup (you must be using some HW's on top of EFT all lvl5 skills), but I get 831dps if I make it 3x MagStabs and Neutrons and CN AM.
One could think AC fitted Mael would outdps Blaster fitted Mael after the 25% ROF bonus those AC's get, dont you think?
Nah, AC's are just fine 
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Cilppiz
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.02 16:07:00 -
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I have 8x 800mm Repeating Artillery II's fitted with 3x Gyrostabilizer II's and Rep Fleet EMP L on barrels, also all the affecting skills show as lvl5 and it tells me 765dps. If Im truly getting wrong number someone should check if my Blaster DPS was also off
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Cilppiz
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.02 18:34:00 -
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I had "Include reload time in DPS" ticked on thus lower DPS. By ignoring reload time, Neutron setup I used to show how Autocannons in my opinion lack dps on shorter range, goes up to 855dps.
Ofcourse blaster setup (optimal rigs) would dominate by its DPS only up to ~12km compared to AC setup (falloff rigs) but then again Maelstorm with Mega Pulses (optimal rigs) will outdps Autocannon fit starting from ~14km all the way up to ~28km. Anyway, the reason I brought these lolfits up is that in my opinion they are way too good when you remember that were using completely wrong weapon system with hull that has ROF bonus to projectiles and should shine with that weaponsystem.
In scene I brought up Autocannons are second best on close range, second best on long range (after 30km your only scratching paint), they have second best tracking (though only by .00012 so lets call it shared "the best"). Only thing they really have going for em is the most cap friendly tittle, and even this tittle can be questioned when you think how meny of closerange cookiecutter/FOTM setup are build around effective hp buffer tanks... If you go and try the same thing in hulls like Megathron and Apoc or Geddon you will notice that in these hulls the "right" weaponsystem is the best on most areas if not in all of em. So why cant Maelstorm (or Typhoon, it has the same 5% ROF bonus) do the same with autocannons? Is it because autocannons dont really have role due somewhat poor design? Is it because these ships are not made for autocannons in the way like Megathrons, Apocs and Geddons are made for their weaponsystems?
Id say its because both! Most, if not every Minnie BS needs little finetuning and so does both autocannons and artilleries. Id say its impossible to fix all these issues that Minmatar battleships have by only looking one possible source of the problem.
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