Originally by: goober nuts

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rattlesnake it can tank just about anyway you want and can fit dmg bonus torps and blasters

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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw

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typhoon. there is NOTHING this ship cant do if fit for it...

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Originally by: Ral Ulgur

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I'm not looking for any specific information here.
The questions is which ship do you find most versatile, not in the sense that it is good at many things with one and the same fitting, but can be outfitted in a multitude of useful ways.

Some ships cry for one specific setup and are very good when fitted accordingly.
Other ships shine in many ways with different setups and these are the ones this thread is about.

Post your favorite versatile ship. PvP, PvE anything goes.


... Domies, here we come :)

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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Nightmare. Mine has 22,666 shield, resists around 80, and pushes out roughly 1200 dps - it has a heavy nos, heavy neut, ECM drones, and awesome shield boosting. It's a swiss army knife. Most importantly, it's geared up with disposable faction and t2 stuff :D

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Originally by: Wideen

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Where do you reside when pvping my good Sir?

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Originally by: Wrayeth

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Originally by: Wideen

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Where do you reside when pvping my good Sir?

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Istvaan is in your corp, thiefing your assets.

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Originally by: George Petsch

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Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.

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Originally by: Wideen

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Where do you reside when pvping my good Sir?

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Originally by: Noobalt Logoffski

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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I consider the Rokh to be fairly versatile because it has far more weapon hardpoints than it has highslots

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WTB Rokh with more weapon hardpoints than high slots.

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Originally by: Noobalt Logoffski

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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I consider the Rokh to be fairly versatile because it has far more weapon hardpoints than it has highslots

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WTB Rokh with more weapon hardpoints than high slots.

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Check the market, you'll see them everywhere. 8 high slots, 8 turret hardpoints, 4 misssile hardpoints. This supports a lot of different setups, but none of them are really the best at what they do except the extreme range rail sniper.

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Originally by: Meg Griffin

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Edited by: Meg Griffin on 02/06/2008 16:51:55

Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Originally by: Noobalt Logoffski

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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I consider the Rokh to be fairly versatile because it has far more weapon hardpoints than it has highslots

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WTB Rokh with more weapon hardpoints than high slots.

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Check the market, you'll see them everywhere. 8 high slots, 8 turret hardpoints, 4 misssile hardpoints. This supports a lot of different setups, but none of them are really the best at what they do except the extreme range rail sniper.

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I'd like one too. So I looked at the market and still can't find one. Specifically, I'm looking for one with 8 high slots and either 10 turret hard points or 10 missile hard points - or ideally 10 turret AND 10 missile hardpoints. I guess if I were really pressed, I'd settle for 20 of either one - like 20 turrets or 20 missile launchers - with 8 high slots.

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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I'm suprised that nobody has mentioned carriers. Fighter/drone damage, logistics, hauling, jump capability. They are the current embodiment of a 'Swiss Army Knife' ship.

I consider the Rokh to be fairly versatile because it has far more weapon hardpoints than it has highslots so you can set one up in a huge variety of ways (rails, blasters, gun/torp splits, nos/neut/torp splits, gun/cruise splits for PvE, etc). It also tanks like a beast and has a huge engagement range. But it pays for all of this by only ever doing mediocre DPS with any setup except in the situations where you're shooting further than anyone else can (i.e. 425s/Neutrons with Spike/Null).

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Originally by: Noobalt Logoffski

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Originally by: Meg Griffin

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I'd like one too. So I looked at the market and still can't find one. Specifically, I'm looking for one with 8 high slots and either 10 turret hard points or 10 missile hard points - or ideally 10 turret AND 10 missile hardpoints. I guess if I were really pressed, I'd settle for 20 of either one - like 20 turrets or 20 missile launchers - with 8 high slots.

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I'd just be happy with finding a Rokh that can fit 8 turrets AND 4 missile launchers, like the one Bronson has.

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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...because it has far more weapon hardpoints than it has highslots so you can set one up in a huge variety of ways (rails, blasters, gun/torp splits, nos/neut/torp splits, gun/cruise splits for PvE, etc)

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Originally by: Noobalt Logoffski

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Originally by: Meg Griffin

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I'd like one too. So I looked at the market and still can't find one. Specifically, I'm looking for one with 8 high slots and either 10 turret hard points or 10 missile hard points - or ideally 10 turret AND 10 missile hardpoints. I guess if I were really pressed, I'd settle for 20 of either one - like 20 turrets or 20 missile launchers - with 8 high slots.

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I'd just be happy with finding a Rokh that can fit 8 turrets AND 4 missile launchers, like the one Bronson has.

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Nowhere did I say that the Rokh could fit more than 8 weapons. I also never said that it had more turret hardpoints that it has high slots.

Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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...because it has far more weapon hardpoints than it has highslots so you can set one up in a huge variety of ways (rails, blasters, gun/torp splits, nos/neut/torp splits, gun/cruise splits for PvE, etc)

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Having 50% more hardpoints (8 turret, 4 launcher) than high slots (8), which one could call 'far more', just means that you can fit 8 guns, 4 guns and 4 launchers, or anything in between.

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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker

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Kriss et. al. are idiots.
8 turret hardpoints and 4 launcher hardpoints is 12 weapon hardpoints.
The Rokh has 8 high-power fitting slots.
12 is greater than 8.
The Rokh has more weapon hardpoints than high-power fitting slots, lending it great versatility.

In contrast consider something like a Tristan, with two turret hardpoints, two launcher hardpoints, and four high-slots. Like the Rokh, it can fit a mixture of guns and missiles. Unlike the Rokh, it is not versatile, it cannot be fit in a variety of different ways.

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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker

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Kriss et. al. are idiots.
8 turret hardpoints and 4 launcher hardpoints is 12 weapon hardpoints.
The Rokh has 8 high-power fitting slots.
12 is greater than 8.
The Rokh has more weapon hardpoints than high-power fitting slots, lending it great versatility.

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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LOL - fuzzy mathz.

First of all, by definition, a weapon hardpoint is a separate and distinct apparatus capable of supporting a weapon system. Second, again by definition, a weapon platform, such as a ship or aircraft, that has hardpoints can put a weapon system into each hardpoint - up to the maximum number of hardpoints available.

The Rokh has 8 of these separate and distinct hardpoints. It can fit 8 guns or 4 guns and 4 launchers or any combination thereof. But it can't fit more than 8 because it only has 8 hardpoints. Granted, these can be configured as missile hardpoints or turret hardpoints but at no point will you be able to exceed 8 separate and distinct weapon systems in any combination. The Rokh has 8 hard points. Not 12. Thus, the Rokh does not have more hard points than high slots.

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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LOL - fuzzy mathz.

First of all, by definition, a weapon hardpoint is a separate and distinct apparatus capable of supporting a weapon system. Second, again by definition, a weapon platform, such as a ship or aircraft, that has hardpoints can put a weapon system into each hardpoint - up to the maximum number of hardpoints available.

The Rokh has 8 of these separate and distinct hardpoints. It can fit 8 guns or 4 guns and 4 launchers or any combination thereof. But it can't fit more than 8 because it only has 8 hardpoints. Granted, these can be configured as missile hardpoints or turret hardpoints but at no point will you be able to exceed 8 separate and distinct weapon systems in any combination. The Rokh has 8 hard points. Not 12. Thus, the Rokh does not have more hard points than high slots.

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Actually, no, the Rokh really does have 12 hardpoints. Although we can't know for certain due to over-simplified missile graphics, I'd be willing to bet that the missile launchers don't go in the same places as the guns. As an example of this, take a look at the Arazu or the Lachesis: these ships both have more combined missile and turret hardpoints than they have high-slots, yet they have distinct graphical representations for their turrets and their launchers that are not in the same location on the ship. They have missile hardpoints, and they have turret hardpoints, they just happen to not have enough space (i.e. enough high slots) inside the hull to use them all at once. It's not a complicated concept.

If you want to get into a real discussion about weapon hardpoints, take a look at the Fairchild Republic A-10A Thunderbolt II. As one of the most robust ground attack aircraft ever built, it can carry a large amount of varied weaponry, much of it mounted in under-wing pylons. In some configurations, it can carry upwards of 20 weapons mounted under-wing, in some configurations it can only handle 4-6. This gives it a versatility unmatched by other aircraft because of the sheer amount and variety of ground attack weaponry it can carry.

However, it has a very hard time using all of it's pylon space at the same time because of weight and space limitations; some of the weapons are simply too large to fit many of or too heavy to allow the weapon to take off if you carry a full load of them. In essence, it's exactly like the Rokh in that it can mount X of one type of weapon or Y of another type of weapon, it has unique hardpoints for X and Y, but it can't mount X and Y at the same time because of space limitations.

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Originally by: BiggestT

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wow..u thought a little too much avout this..u still won tho

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Originally by: La5eR

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All you folks are tools.

It has to be the pilgrim.
A) Warp cloaked
B) Can cyno
C) Carry a full wing of light armor and shield repper drones
D) Can utilize any weapon class except missiles
E) Can NOS/Neut (Anti-nano)
F) Disrupt tracking of foes weapon systems
G) Deal out hurt in the form of ECM, EW, and combat for drones.

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Originally by: BiggestT

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wow..u thought a little too much avout this..u still won tho

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I'm a military analyst when I'm not parked in New Eden. I get paid to think about this stuff.

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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus

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Mega, Domi, Raven.

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Originally by: BiggestT

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wow..u thought a little too much avout this..u still won tho

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I'm a military analyst when I'm not parked in New Eden. I get paid to think about this stuff.

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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I think we both know what each other is talking about and we should drop the semantics argument.

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Originally by: BiggestT

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wow..u thought a little too much avout this..u still won tho

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I'm a military analyst when I'm not parked in New Eden. I get paid to think about this stuff.

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