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Janus Cohen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 18:39:00 -
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Havent seen a post on this in C+P so I was wondering if FW has any impact on sec status and low sec? Also, what if the low sec. FW gates are blocked by GCs?
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Spectre3353
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.06.02 18:51:00 -
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Ernest Vincent Wright wrote a novel with over 50,000 words, none of which containing the letter "E".
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.06.02 19:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Spectre3353
Ernest Vincent Wright wrote a novel with over 50,000 words, none of which containing the letter "E".
He spelled his name on the front as rnst Vincnt Wright c/d?
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Joachim Kato
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2008.06.02 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Spectre3353
Ernest Vincent Wright wrote a novel with over 50,000 words, none of which containing the letter "E".
He spelled his name on the front as rnst Vincnt Wright c/d?
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Yenna Faulkner
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Posted - 2008.06.02 19:26:00 -
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Regardless of what may happen in this thread, Faife has already won.
xtrmly won.
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NoNameNewbie
Raynor Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.02 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Spectre3353
Ernest Vincent Wright wrote a novel with over 50,000 words, none of which containing the letter "E".
He spelled his name on the front as rnst Vincnt Wright c/d?
winner ding ding
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Hot Fudge
Sweet -N- Creamy
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Posted - 2008.06.02 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Hot Fudge on 02/06/2008 20:14:12
Yes, it will bring more people (mostly inexperienced PvPers I would think) into low sec since that is where most of FW is going to be based. So, all you pirates, or anyone else who wants to get easy kills to fill up your killboards, head to the contested systems, mwa ha ha ha ha.
Edit: Replaced unexperienced with inexperienced, lol.
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Janus Cohen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hot Fudge
Edited by: Hot Fudge on 02/06/2008 20:14:12
Yes, it will bring more people (mostly inexperienced PvPers I would think) into low sec since that is where most of FW is going to be based. So, all you pirates, or anyone else who wants to get easy kills to fill up your killboards, head to the contested systems, mwa ha ha ha ha.
Edit: Replaced unexperienced with inexperienced, lol.
....lol my point exactly. SO it seem FW is going to be epic fail? P.S. /me would like some sweet and creamy hot fudge
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Mugmoneus X
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.06.02 20:27:00 -
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why epic fail ?
it essentially will allows fast optional combat
if massive piwate or empire blob in local - then dont go to the site if you dont want to
i think it could be really fun , and if it works , one of best ideas ccp has had in a while. instead of just the random boosts and nerfs all the time depending on forum whines which is all i can remeber happenin in the last few patched tbh
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Agazoth V
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Posted - 2008.06.02 20:56:00 -
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If people get the motive to run out to low sec they begin to realize it isn't that bad at all. Sure you can't go ratting in your CNR out there but I imagine this is will help in the EvE learning curve.
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Hanso Sparxx
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
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Posted - 2008.06.02 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mugmoneus X
why epic fail ?
it essentially will allows fast optional combat
if massive piwate or empire blob in local - then dont go to the site if you dont want to
i think it could be really fun , and if it works , one of best ideas ccp has had in a while. instead of just the random boosts and nerfs all the time depending on forum whines which is all i can remeber happenin in the last few patched tbh
I'm hoping for lots of cheap rifter/cruiser combat...
but if wishes and wants were fruits and nuts, we'd all have a merry christmas.
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Opertone
SIEGE.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 21:01:00 -
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no FW won't help to revive low sec... gate camps with heavy interdictors will cancel solo players out... and the rewards aren't worthy for big strong corps to go an contest the land.
Sick gatecampers will abuse the low sec status - this means more ships to harvest
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Random Womble
Master Miners
Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Random Womble on 02/06/2008 21:19:00
Also fail from my point of veiw by cutting out what these days is a large proportion of current low sec players that play in low sec, not 0.0, alliances. i mean i can understand why the dont want huge powerblocks just muscling in but tbh 0.0 alliances are not going to want to do it enmass it holds no real intrest for them but low sec alliances who are not really that big that they could fudge the whole system are going to want to take part especially as this takes place where they live. Im not saying you should be able to sign up with an alliance as a single entity either i would like to just have it so corps within an alliance can remain in the alliance while signing up.
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Agazoth V
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Posted - 2008.06.02 21:31:00 -
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I love how people that never enter low sec are here to call the end to FW before it stops. I'll let you in a on a super pirate secret, stop flying thru the known chokepoints.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.02 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Agazoth V
I love how people that never enter low sec are here to call the end to FW before it stops. I'll let you in a on a super pirate secret, stop flying thru the known chokepoints.
Hmm. And FW contested areas will become what? Not chokepoints, surely?
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Tellenta
White-Noise
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.02 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Spectre3353
Ernest Vincent Wright wrote a novel with over 50,000 words, none of which containing the letter "E".
He spelled his name on the front as rnst Vincnt Wright c/d?
If I recall correctly names do not classify as words and don't count. Though I don't know if this random fact applies. Also ghost writer. Also  .
To OP break the gate camp or go around it?
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sabo tage
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.03 00:27:00 -
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the thing is,
fw will also attract some hardcore pvp corps that are bored and burnt out...
so...
not necessarily easy kills for piwatez...
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.03 02:27:00 -
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Will FW revive lowsec?
Sure. For about a week, which is what I expect is the longest it will take for all the chokepoints and static sites to be bookmarked.
Figure for about a week (maybe less) the FW content will actually get used, followed by a week or so of mass pirate/0.0 alliance nuking of the noobs, followed by every week thereafter of no one even attempting to do the missions.
Duh. If the Devs don't know that this is what's going to happen, well, they need new leadership.
I'm not saying that this is wrong. It's lowsec after all, the domain of pirates. What is wrong is CCP's poor design of this system, which they intend to bring noobs out in T1 frigates and cruisers into an area where they can (and will) get destroyed repeatedly by people in better ships with more skillpoints. It's a very poor concept, and it's why FW is destined to fail. It never should have been aimed at the noobs (though they could have added a highsec series of PVE FW missions and content) it should have been a system aimed at EXISTING lowsec and 0.0 pvp'ers.
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Agazoth V
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Posted - 2008.06.03 02:42:00 -
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You need to shrug of the Debbie Downer routine and just try something new.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.03 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Agazoth V
You need to shrug of the Debbie Downer routine and just try something new.
Then explain to me how they are going to get people to WANT to come into lowsec, have a "here I am KILL ME" beacon appear on the map, and run missions across 10+ jumps when restricted to ships that you trained for the first week you started the game?
Anyone even attempting to do that is going to get killed at the first chokepoint, give up, go back to highsec and back to L4's
The only way that will work is if CCP introduces CONCORD into lowsec. Which would be a VERY bad thing.
Simply put, faction warfare as currently planned is a very VERY bad design. Don't take my word for it. Watch, it will happen.
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Agazoth V
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Posted - 2008.06.03 03:55:00 -
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I was going to comment but your a muppet.
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Jack Hellbender
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Posted - 2008.06.03 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Agazoth V
I was going to comment but your a muppet.
nice comments troll at least the poster you commented on gave some logic behind his thoughts.
As to the op well it won't take too long so just wait and watch it live on Eve.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.03 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan
Will FW revive lowsec?
Sure. For about a week, which is what I expect is the longest it will take for all the chokepoints and static sites to be bookmarked.
Figure for about a week (maybe less) the FW content will actually get used, followed by a week or so of mass pirate/0.0 alliance nuking of the noobs, followed by every week thereafter of no one even attempting to do the missions.
Duh. If the Devs don't know that this is what's going to happen, well, they need new leadership.
I'm not saying that this is wrong. It's lowsec after all, the domain of pirates. What is wrong is CCP's poor design of this system, which they intend to bring noobs out in T1 frigates and cruisers into an area where they can (and will) get destroyed repeatedly by people in better ships with more skillpoints. It's a very poor concept, and it's why FW is destined to fail. It never should have been aimed at the noobs (though they could have added a highsec series of PVE FW missions and content) it should have been a system aimed at EXISTING lowsec and 0.0 pvp'ers.
You are under the impression that only noobs will be in this, and furthermore that the sites (except for bunkers) are static.
Both are misconceptions.
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Agazoth V
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Posted - 2008.06.03 04:23:00 -
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I'd suggest you read the rest of the thread. Explain to people there isn't Heavy Dictor gatecamps everywhere in low sec then they come back with there is(aka muppet). Speculation is fun but it can get old quik when people are talking out of there ass.
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Opertone
SIEGE.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan
Will FW revive lowsec?
Sure. For about a week, which is what I expect is the longest it will take for all the chokepoints and static sites to be bookmarked.
Figure for about a week (maybe less) the FW content will actually get used, followed by a week or so of mass pirate/0.0 alliance nuking of the noobs, followed by every week thereafter of no one even attempting to do the missions.
Duh. If the Devs don't know that this is what's going to happen, well, they need new leadership.
I'm not saying that this is wrong. It's lowsec after all, the domain of pirates. What is wrong is CCP's poor design of this system, which they intend to bring noobs out in T1 frigates and cruisers into an area where they can (and will) get destroyed repeatedly by people in better ships with more skillpoints. It's a very poor concept, and it's why FW is destined to fail. It never should have been aimed at the noobs (though they could have added a highsec series of PVE FW missions and content) it should have been a system aimed at EXISTING lowsec and 0.0 pvp'ers.
i agree... they also expect new players to bring new Navy Cruisers, which cost around 60-100 mill a piece to these contested sites.
maybe the CCP has to put it right and restrict choke points control... why can't you PVP at the same beacon location? Why do you have to club the carebear down with your 10+ camp when he jumps in.
Honestly, i am against chokepoint camping, there is much more fun in actual PVPing with someone in asteroid belts or beacons.
I want them to fix GATE warfare and STATION camp warfare... both are ridiculous.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.06.03 05:32:00 -
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I'll speak on the idea that it's not Dead on arrival. For this to work, there will be a neccesity for both old and new players to -want- to go out to pirate-land for them. Not just some shiny map statistics, but something valid, something more than what L4 whoring in high-sec delivers. There are roleplay corps out there, such as PIE Inc. That I don't doubt will take to this. But it's not going to be one simple "let's zoom out there and kill NPC's" run. It's a project. Any given group needs to -work- to maintain an area. THey'll need to make an effort to fight pirate activity, break up gate camps or actively police the area (which gives me moar fights in there area) It's not perfect but it's a start, if the Dev's play it right I think they can make it work
tl;dr version: has potential, but could also fail hard.
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Buhhdust Princess
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:11:00 -
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Well tbh. If the lowsec gates are camped. Come get us! 
Faction warfare is going to make great pirating material. I personally can not wait until i get a swarm of people from the same faction attacking me in lowsec. I look forward to some great fights and kills 
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 03/06/2008 12:26:47
Originally by: Opertone
i agree... they also expect new players to bring new Navy Cruisers, which cost around 60-100 mill a piece to these contested sites.
Not really, and they're making the new Navy Cruisers a line of (faction) nanoships (mostly). Tells you something
Originally by: Opertone
maybe the CCP has to put it right and restrict choke points control... why can't you PVP at the same beacon location? Why do you have to club the carebear down with your 10+ camp when he jumps in.
OK, stop playing dumb.
Due to sentry guns, there are no interceptors tackling. Frigates 99% of the time pass through OK, the only risks really being passing through Rancer (partially due to being able to predict where someone will land when passing through rancer!) or not training Evasive Maneuvering I. I've never ever ever had my (200mm plated) Rifter caught at a gate, in my VERY long career of pirating in a Rifter, and with me flashing red, people can and will use interceptors if they're around.
Low-sec isn't 0.0 where you have bubbles which make speed the only valid mechanic - agility works just as well.
Originally by: Opertone
Honestly, i am against chokepoint camping, there is much more fun in actual PVPing with someone in asteroid belts or beacons.
Yes, there is. I prefer fights off stations/gates myself. However, you must realise that haulers (and people carrying valuables in general) will never ever go to a belt. Do you really think people should be free to move their faction BS / freighters / cargo-expanded T1 industrials freely through low-sec?
Fact of the matter is that gate/station camping is absolutely necessary for interdicting traders/haulers/travellers. Which is where a lot of the money is at, and, seriously now, can you expect that it's OK to AP through low-sec in your freighter? (We've killed a few days ago, together with a AP-ing Kronos)
That isn't and shouldn't ever be safe. Low-sec is *fairly* safe for smaller ship pilots (up to cruiser-sized; most cruisers can, in fact, get away from most camps unless they've got a sentry tanked and sensor boosted huggin+broadsword in which case you die).
With scouting (and come on, FW WILL be a group PvP thing, they'll even have militia channels and stuff) you can move whatever you want.
And, if there's a frig plex, well, I'm certainly not going to bother organising a anti-frigate camp and miss out on juicy larger kills just to kill some T1 frigates. Might go there once in a while in a couple of Rifters to have a bit of fun.
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Mugmoneus X
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mugmoneus X on 03/06/2008 21:22:40
tbh move lvl4 missions to low sec
problem solved
only retar ds really die to pirate camps anyway, especially retar ds that return without scouts like half an hour later and expect teh camp to gone - duh
and yer - hopefully will get some of the empire fighters to come back to low sec for some good pewpew. Piwates get bored of fighting other piwates and killing the odd n00b tbh. We need a challenge
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Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:33:00 -
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For the first month (like level 5 missions did) then it will die out and it will be a waste of major patch release.
Sigh..
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