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Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.03 05:56:00 - [31] Originally by: hangnoose I for one welcome razor's new Russian over lords... I hear they have good booze. They will kill you after they kill Pure. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
NerftheSmurf GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.03 06:02:00 - [32] Too bad goons got there first :toot:
Nebba Kenezzer Game-Over Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.03 06:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Aaron Static Maelstrom leadership was running around after Neb kissing his backside and believing every word he said as gospel You must have me confused with Pastor, he writes the gospels. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.03 06:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Re Mi If you want to set things right, take up a position in Curse and start raiding into the RA/Goon heartland. Please do this
Helen coracao ardente Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.03 06:37:00 - [35] Yeah RA are bad, you norty exploiters. Back in the day RA never fought outnumbered and their enemies never tried metagaming or "cheating" against them right?
Fallorn GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.03 06:40:00 - [36] I PREDICT A RIOT by kaiser chiefs Is a fun song to listen to while reading COAD. But I like your troll. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Heptameron Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Hahah! NNF getting steamrolled by Red would be a particularly pant-warming experience... The whole "United We Stand" attitude, although is good against foes a quarter of your size, will epic fail against a force like Redswarm... Even though Razor, Morsus Mihi and so on consider themselves 'superpowers', they are only actually one superpower... Hell, I'd go so far as to list the superpowers as they stand: BoB Goons Red NNF And I would've said Triumvirate before they disbanded, and this is the reason a lot of people have so much respect for BoB. They took on two superpowers and didn't fall. I don't think that NNF will be able to hold out against Redswarm... In fact, I know they won't... I just can't wait! I sense the bitterness of defeat is strong in this one......
Acapulco Bold	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Jaakar Eldaris Edited by: Jaakar Eldaris on 03/06/2008 04:09:19 Originally by: Aaron Static OP is completely out of the loop ITT Well, that is true and not at the same time. You and I were allies at one point Aaron, and regardless of where our loyalties lie; you know damn well that RA are a horrible scourge on Eve. To be RA is exactly what it is to be a cheat. They are isk farming/selling at its worst, among many other terribad things. I know that you know this not only because you've said it yourself, but because I know you to be a smart guy. Anyone who fought RA back in the day knows they fail at being upstanding guys. They totally rock at exploiting game mechanics though, true story. RA fail because they aren't actually good at playing EVE. They would not be in the position they are in today had it not been for cheat tactics. Had they ever at one point in their early history actually had a stand up fight with anyone they wouldve gotten super pwned. Bookmark bombs ftw i guess. You yourself made statements similar to these during your time in MA. Just because you're on the other side of the street now does not mean anything has changed. Without bookmark bombs, logoffski/onskis, pos spamming ( thank you for perfecting this RA, you've brought so much to the game ), and farming broken plexes RA would be nothing but a slew of exceedingly gy Russians. Edit: I want to add that yes I know RA are now a superpower in eve, and are in fact quite adept in their pvp skills. Very few can go toe to toe with RA. While I'm sure their initial disregard for the rules remains firm, I will admit that RA have in the past years become more "legit." It can reasonably be argued that alot of what RA has accomplished recently has been of their own merit, and as a result of their own PVP prowess. However, what I take issue with is how they got there. If you take away every event from RA's past that had a hint of un-intended game mechanic's use (especially the intentional node crashing), I've gotta believe RA wouldn't be around today, and I think the rest of you do to or you're ******* and you never fought RA during that time. That said, the same thing can be argued against the other two current powerhouses of eve ( though still especially for RA ), Goons and BoB. Suc a wall of text and not a single word about the devs inside RA ? :D Such a wall of text and n
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Hahah! NNF getting steamrolled by Red would be a particularly pant-warming experience... The whole "United We Stand" attitude, although is good against foes a quarter of your size, will epic fail against a force like Redswarm... Even though Razor, Morsus Mihi and so on consider themselves 'superpowers', they are only actually one superpower... Hell, I'd go so far as to list the superpowers as they stand: BoB Goons Red NNF And I would've said Triumvirate before they disbanded, and this is the reason a lot of people have so much respect for BoB. They took on two superpowers and didn't fall. I don't think that NNF will be able to hold out against Redswarm... In fact, I know they won't... I just can't wait! The problem with the BoB war, is yes, BoB may not have lost, but they certainly didn't win either. Delve as it stands is an formidable fortress with so many stations, but as the game progress's other regions with become the same. That combined with the current output of pvp focus in this game for the newer generation of players being blob rather than actual skill, makes the ragoon bloc only able to grow larger and more powerful, where as BoB who generally recruits the opposite, older players who pride themselves on pvp skill something that will start losing power, as the older population starts leaving the game. Just look at, how many 5 year olds does BoB have compared to other coalitions, these are players who are going to be leaving the game sooner than the 1-3 year olds. /puts on tin foil armor The way I see it, is this. ragoon are interested in owning all of 0.0 and the whole war to stop BoB from doing just that was a PR campaign to convince the community that it was actually BoB who wanted to control all of 0.0. In doing so rallied most major alliances onto ragoons side to stop BoB and in the process allowed them to acquire vast amounts of space as well as gaining the positive standings with the North, and showing the North how powerful they truly are without having to fight them. These standings and the power that the North has seen they have allows ragoon to attack the Norths non important blues i.e the drone regions and geminate all the while the major Northern alliances hope they don't become next. However the problem that the North faces, is they serve no purpose. Theres 3 important power bloc's, and they are third on power, they will never work with BoB nor would BoB work with them, and ragoon don't need their help to fight BoB. The bob war was fought by ragoon, all the while the North epic failed on every corner of the map. The north only saw success against BoB once ragoon had pushed them back to their original regions. Even now, the north has only recently been able to get back to where they were prior to the war. BoB after the BBQ is over and the next target is released will attack the north. ragoon will finish off taking Geminate and the drone regions then invade Delve, forcing BoB back south to defend. After a couple months of war in Delve showing BoB they cannot invade without being invaded Ragoon and the north will leave. Ragoon will then invade the weakened north and take it easily. AAA and the lesser southern alliances will be kept on standby in the south to defend against a BoB invasion while Ragoon finish up fully defeating the displaced north. At this time they will own so much space, and have so many bandwagoners that even BoB's fortress Delve will be overrun. Thus ending EVE. /takes off tinfoil armor ^_^ "There is nothing they can do to counter 5000 f*****g Goons logged in and ready to go." - darius JOHNSON
thoth foc Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:50:00 - [40] Originally by: Aaron Static If you could step into my shoes for just one day, you would start to realise two very important things: 1. If anyone knows how to abuse the game to their advantage, it isn't RA, it's BoB 2. 99% of what you read about RA on these forums is bull**** I'm not sure you "get" very important things tbh.. RA's reputation is well earned.. ofc not everything said about them is true.. but not everything said about them is false either.. ------------------ x-DSMA (Menta) x-CA (OMEGA/BOS) x-.5.(ATUK) BOB (DICE)
Psilocin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:53:00 - [41] Why the hell would we want to own all of 0.0? Stampert would kill himself. FOFOFOOOO!
Brmble GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.03 08:39:00 - [42] Of course they go after the moons, it's the emergent gameplay of the endgame. First it was ratting and mining, then it was complexes and pets, now it's highend moons. If they weren't going after them they'd be lax in their due diligence (to stay at the top). ~ no not believin in urself ~
Kasheem Cetanes coracao ardente Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.03 08:55:00 - [43] Edited by: Kasheem Cetanes on 03/06/2008 08:56:28 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Hahah! NNF getting steamrolled by Red would be a particularly pant-warming experience... The whole "United We Stand" attitude, although is good against foes a quarter of your size, will epic fail against a force like Redswarm... Even though Razor, Morsus Mihi and so on consider themselves 'superpowers', they are only actually one superpower... Hell, I'd go so far as to list the superpowers as they stand: BoB Goons Red NNF And I would've said Triumvirate before they disbanded, and this is the reason a lot of people have so much respect for BoB. They took on two superpowers and didn't fall. I don't think that NNF will be able to hold out against Redswarm... In fact, I know they won't... I just can't wait! I sense the bitterness of defeat is strong in this one...... Well, unless something changed in the last 6 months that I don't know about, Razor is kinda awful XD. This said, goons are something awful as well.
Bertn Erney The Fudge Packers Union	Posted - 2008.06.03 10:54:00 - [44] everyone wave to the cute little bob alt.
Spurious Soul Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.06.03 10:57:00 - [45]
Papa Ina GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.03 10:58:00 - [46] If one group is controlling a highly valuable resource then it's because your not doing a good enough job stopping them.
Jita Mistress Forge Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.03 11:46:00 - [47] ITT: Ex-TRI members lecturing years-old Northern Alliances on what it takes to survive in 0.0 space. Good stuff. Can you give us any more pearls of wisdom?
Felysta Sandorn Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.03 11:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes Edited by: Kasheem Cetanes on 03/06/2008 08:56:28 Originally by: Heptameron I sense the bitterness of defeat is strong in this one...... Well, unless something changed in the last 6 months that I don't know about, Razor is kinda awful XD. This said, goons are something awful as well. I see what you did there! As for bitterness, NNF turned it in to a grudge war when they did nothing but camp QCWA and meta-game when the Insurgency order was given to fall back. There are some foes I've fought against and lost and respect, and some foes I've lost against, but rarely fought and don't respect. NNF come in the latter category. BRUCE are in the former. Latest Video, Click Here!
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:36:00 - [49] A more interesting topic would be the effects of the corps that left RA to create Solar Dragons, and what effect if any that has on RA's ability to field cap fleets. Legion of Death and Solar have some of the best cap fleet FC's RA ever had. One wonders how good the remaining FC's and Cap fleet are. I would assume that the loss of Solar diminished their power to some degree, however I believe push comes to shove, if someone attacks RA space Legion and Solar would be there to help, so these losses only effect RA's ability to wage an offensive war. If no one is willing to stop them, and put their ships on the line, then they deserve all the moons they can collect. MDK Recruitment Info
Vendorella Montreal Irishmen	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Wesley Baird If no one is willing to stop them, and put their ships on the line, then they deserve all the moons they can collect. Wesley makes 2 very good points. First, RA put their cap ships on the line. They can do this because they have been given the time to build reservers, both cash reserves and ship reserves. If you had 2 more dreads sitting fitted and ready in your hanger, knowing that losses are easily replaced, you would be willing to hot-drop on pretty much anything. [I heard heard that an RA capital FC was actually considering a hot-drop on the EVE gate, but their destination cyno got lost and ruined the op (true story)]. Second Point: No one is standing up to them. The large threat from point #1 is enough to make most people roll over and do whatever RA want. On a high level, RA is bad for EVE as a whole, as is any alliance that weilds the power and influence they currently have. But until people stand up and say "no more", RA will continue to roll on. Plus, it helps to have Goons as cannon fodder. ---------------------------------------------- You are now reading my sig.... have a nice day!
0mega GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Vendorella Plus, it helps to have Goons as cannon fodder. How may I serve you, Soviet Masters?
Anna Valerios Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:26:00 - [52] I predict seth quantix will make an awful post soon tm'.
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:42:00 - [53] Originally by: rValdez5987 RA was down to one system if i remember... So close... so close... You do indeed remember correctly. C-J I believe it was. The corp I was in at the time was given a station 3 jumps away from there. We were still small and had been looking for 0.0 access, so the opportunity was too good to pass up. Little did we know that the station we had was taken from RA just a week before, and that we were frontline cannon fodder. For the next month, we participated in the attempt to finish off RA. That culminated in the biggest Cap battle Eve had seen at the time. LV in particular had 40+ Capitals and the battle started. The first RA POS attacked was contested with everything RA could throw at the dreads. Lag was bad, so bad that all non-caps and non-bs were ordered out of the system. The fight saw RA warping Capitals right into the battle, with little regard for the odds. That POS fell at a cost of 5 Dreads, most lost when they disconnected and were probed out by waiting RA ships. I was sitting at a POS in my Carrier repairing ships returning from the fight. It was the only thing I could do, as the various Egos involved were not inviting anyone who was not in their own alliance. (That's one of the major problems with mixed ops, and a problem that Bob/RA don't have BTW.) It was a very impressive sight to see when 40+ LV Capitals warped back to the POS after reinforcing the first RA POS. At that time, I felt very good about our fleet/allies. I continued fixing ships and trying in vain to get an invite. Then something amazing happened: On cue, all 40 LV Caps jumped out. Seems the battle was 'too laggy' and the losses 'too much' so LV was going home. I knew at that point that RA would not be defeated. Our corp left the alliance within a week. It wasn't because of cheats, or superior numbers or even superior tactics. RA won because they had the will to take the losses, and LV did not. In the time since then, I continue to see RA exhibit the total dedication they showed that day. LV's attempt to minimize losses just meant that they died on another day. All that was 2+ years ago. I believe that lesson is still the defining moment of an alliance: When you're willing to risk everything, you can win. When you're constantly looking to hold back 'just in case', you've already lost. So any question of 'Superpowers' is not just a numerical count of the number of This or That ship. The true Superpower will be the one who is willing to take the losses in order to accomplish the task at hand. RA did it then, Bob did it recently. Tri looked the monster in the face and decided to bail instead of commit. We'll see which Power rises to the occasion when it next presents itself.
FellRaven GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:48:00 - [54] Originally by: fugazii Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Hahah! NNF getting steamrolled by Red would be a particularly pant-warming experience... The whole "United We Stand" attitude, although is good against foes a quarter of your size, will epic fail against a force like Redswarm... Even though Razor, Morsus Mihi and so on consider themselves 'superpowers', they are only actually one superpower... Hell, I'd go so far as to list the superpowers as they stand: BoB Goons Red NNF And I would've said Triumvirate before they disbanded, and this is the reason a lot of people have so much respect for BoB. They took on two superpowers and didn't fall. I don't think that NNF will be able to hold out against Redswarm... In fact, I know they won't... I just can't wait! The problem with the BoB war, is yes, BoB may not have lost, but they certainly didn't win either. Delve as it stands is an formidable fortress with so many stations, but as the game progress's other regions with become the same. That combined with the current output of pvp focus in this game for the newer generation of players being blob rather than actual skill, makes the ragoon bloc only able to grow larger and more powerful, where as BoB who generally recruits the opposite, older players who pride themselves on pvp skill something that will start losing power, as the older population starts leaving the game. Just look at, how many 5 year olds does BoB have compared to other coalitions, these are players who are going to be leaving the game sooner than the 1-3 year olds. /puts on tin foil armor The way I see it, is this. ragoon are interested in owning all of 0.0 and the whole war to stop BoB from doing just that was a PR campaign to convince the community that it was actually BoB who wanted to control all of 0.0. In doing so rallied most major alliances onto ragoons side to stop BoB and in the process allowed them to acquire vast amounts of space as well as gaining the positive standings with the North, and showing the North how powerful they truly are without having to fight them. These standings and the power that the North has seen they have allows ragoon to attack the Norths non important blues i.e the drone regions and geminate all the while the major Northern alliances hope they don't become next. However the problem that the North faces, is they serve no purpose. Theres 3 important power bloc's, and they are third on power, they will never work with BoB nor would BoB work with them, and ragoon don't need their help to fight BoB. The bob war was fought by ragoon, all the while the North epic failed on every corner of the map. The north only saw success against BoB once ragoon had pushed them back to their original regions. Even now, the north has only recently been able to get back to where they were prior to the war. BoB after the BBQ is over and the next target is released will attack the north. ragoon will finish off taking Geminate and the drone regions then invade Delve, forcing BoB back south to defend. After a couple months of war in Delve showing BoB they cannot invade without being invaded Ragoon and the north will leave. Ragoon will then invade the weakened north and take it easily. AAA and the lesser southern alliances will be kept on standby in the south to defend against a BoB invasion while Ragoon finish up fully defeating the displaced north. At this time they will own so much space, and have so many bandwagoners that even BoB's fortress Delve will be overrun. Thus ending EVE. /takes off tinfoil armor ^_^ Nice post not sure I entirely agree with your conclusions though. I think it was President Nasa or Egypt who said "The Arab world will fight to the last drop of Egyptian blood". Similar things were said of the British being will to "fight to the last drop of their Allies blood". I think RA Goons have been largely untested of late relying on others to fights the Great War. We will see.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:53:00 - [55] Where does the North fit in here Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Amarr Citizen 2373472356 Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Anna Valerios I predict seth quantix will make an awful post soon tm'. I predict he will never make a good post ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Ciaphas Khaine Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:40:00 - [57] I for one welcome our new russian overlords in Cloud Ring! BOOST EVERYTHING THAT I FLY! NERF EVERYTHING I DONT!
Boom ChickaBoom Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Hahah! NNF getting steamrolled by Red would be a particularly pant-warming experience... The whole "United We Stand" attitude, although is good against foes a quarter of your size, will epic fail against a force like Redswarm... Even though Razor, Morsus Mihi and so on consider themselves 'superpowers', they are only actually one superpower... Hell, I'd go so far as to list the superpowers as they stand: BoB Goons Red NNF And I would've said Triumvirate before they disbanded, and this is the reason a lot of people have so much respect for BoB. They took on two superpowers and didn't fall. I don't think that NNF will be able to hold out against Redswarm... In fact, I know they won't... I just can't wait! Bitter much? Dont hate because they mopped the floor with your so called "super alliance" in under 2 weeks.
Boom ChickaBoom Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Dramaticus Where does the North fit in here Lmao
thelung187 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.03 16:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Dramaticus Where does the North fit in here Thread wins in 55 posts. /bow [ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something

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