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Vogon
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Posted - 2004.05.07 12:23:00 -
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A recent audit of my operations revealed an area of concern. My customers have no satisfactory way to tell me how to improve my services to them With this in mind I announce the launch of my new website/ helpdesk service where both new and old customers can give their comments via my guestbook....so please be my guest at...
www.vogon.homestead.com
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.05.07 12:34:00 -
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Wow, vogons into offering services...
When did you ppl stop blowing up planets? 
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.05.07 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vogon A recent audit of my operations revealed an area of concern. My customers have no satisfactory way to tell me how to improve my services to them With this in mind I announce the launch of my new website/ helpdesk service where both new and old customers can give their comments via my guestbook....so please be my guest at...
www.vogon.homestead.com
ROFL Vogon..........I love you, let's team up sometime honey.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.05.07 14:14:00 -
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"The answer....I am a role playing character, Vogon the thief, here for your gaming experience. "- Vogon from Vogon's site
Claiming that it is role-play when you create a character to cause nothing but angst is an insult to role-players. Pure Antagonists arenÆt a viable option for those who want to play a community RPG. Your ôJustificationö is merely an attempt to seem high minded when in fact you merely like causing people to feel bad. The line you cross is that you purposefully irritate people through a lazy loop hole rather than the skillful tactics of a rouge.
Now I donÆt know what RP books you have read to give you this warped ideology of what it means to roleplay but every Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance novel that has graced my shelves (and contains character that are thieves) all show one shining similarity. These thieves are quick and deft. They have skill and talent and slip heedlessly thought the night to procure rare and valuable items(I.E. not common ore).
If you take a care to look at your tactics, I have seen them first hand, they go like this:
You plod in your Indy going terribly slow. People notice you (thus canceling your ôthief nessö right there) and using the loop whole know to all (again not subtle just simple) you fly up to the can and take the pitiful ore of empire spaceàbut only 1 Indy load full. Then you warp off to a station and dock, thus being safe. You then turn around and gloat because you know that it bothers people that you take from them (thus letting everyone in system mark you as a thief...real subtle). So for all your vapid and lengthy attempts to convince your self your RPing you know your just ****ing people off for kicks.
The only time your even interesting is when you get blown up by a suicide kestrel which I find most depressing because to actually defend their assets people have to take advantage of a loop hole too.
You arenÆt role-playing a thief and all the justifications in the world arenÆt going to make it so. That CCP allows you to exist is the irritant, not you. You canÆt take enough ore but to effect newer players.
The reason I know first hand is that a new corp mate, just joined us on his 3th day in eve. He was brazen and mining in his Tier 2 amarr frigate. He was so proud of the fact that he spent 4 hours mining into a can in a 0.6 system. It was hard for him, he explained later of course, he had to use a gun so he only had the one mining laser.
Guess what happened. Vogon comes plodding in and head for his can, over corp Samos says ,öThere is a bestower coming at meö
After a few short words we identify that an ore stealer is heading at him. So we offer suggestions, haul the can (he couldnÆt quickly) Did you use a secure can? (what is that and IÆm broke anyways, took all my money to buy this tier 2 frigate) Well Sh*t you realize that in 0.6 CCP lets people plod along and take ore right? (But I spent 4 hours getting this ore...)
And of course what happens is Vogon (hiding in an npc corp of course) takes all this guys ore. Then as if he has something to show off about he announces in local ôYou have be Vogonedö or some such nonsense and runs too a station. Of course IÆm already in my kestrel inbound to that system with the intent to abuse the game in responseàbut he logs of course and stay off line for hours and hours.
Now if Vogon had stolen half a can from me or a corp opp it wouldnÆt have mattered much. But this guy Samos spent 4 hours mining with his one little laser and it was all taken away. And to him it was more the principle of 4 hours of game time wastedà
Vogon you are 99% insignificant to the game world as a whole. No one need care nor heed your word. But that 1% of effect is the hurt and irritation of people like Samos who did not disserve it.
bcuae of that, In that 1% you irritate me and many othersàand even still in the end you donÆt have a great effect. Some day maybe you will play the game and join the rest of us in RPing.
however to make a site proclaiming your greatness does less to bolster your image and more to annoy the rest of us. There is no justification other than you like to annoy people. Be honest and less superfluous, other wise you look like an egotistical jerk.
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Joe Blob
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Posted - 2004.05.07 14:16:00 -
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lmao, great site
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.05.07 14:21:00 -
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"Choose a name towards the end of the alphabet, you might not be noticed when entering a system with a reasonable sized population." -Vogon from Vogon's site
that is low, your abusing the game system...
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Von Schnopp
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Posted - 2004.05.07 14:37:00 -
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Hehe, build me a personal hypergalactic highway to 0.0 instead so I can mine Bistot 1 jump from empire :)
"Dying for your corp is just stupid, make those other bastards die for theirs instead" |

Mister Bee
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Posted - 2004.05.07 14:49:00 -
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"that is low, your abusing the game system..."
I think that's a reasonably valid tactic.
You ALL know the way to counter him, so do it and stop moaning about him.
"It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness" - you lot ever heard of that phrase? No? Thought not.
I've never had any ore stolen ever. Am I lucky? Am I exploiting the game mechanics somehow? Do I mine in 0.4 or lower space only? No, no, no. I understand the game mechanics and know how to use them to MY advantage. You lot need to either wise up or pack your bags.
:)
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.05.07 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 07/05/2004 15:22:58 something I have discovered is that the ore thieves are about all that keeps mining in high secure space intresting, they generally get people in local talking as well which is an added benefit as it gets you talking to people.
I've been hit twice a month and lost less than 40 minutes worth of mining ore, and one of them times was to vogon in which I could have saved my ore if I used my head, his iteron 4 goes so slow :).
I'm not saying i like having my ore stolen, but the only way to really stop ore theives is mayeb to getr id of jet can mining and me as a part time miner really would'nt like to see that, but if people keep complaining it may just happen :(
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.05.07 15:23:00 -
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/me pets his kestrel ----------------------
I wanna tuc tuc .. |

Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.05.07 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchello Claiming that it is role-play when you create a character to cause nothing but angst is an insult to role-players. Pure Antagonists arenÆt a viable option for those who want to play a community RPG. Your ôJustificationö is merely an attempt to seem high minded when in fact you merely like causing people to feel bad. The line you cross is that you purposefully irritate people through a lazy loop hole rather than the skillful tactics of a rouge. [/quote
Remainder of rambling, lengthy post snipped due to extreme boredom.
Aaaarghh !!!........Don't you go ON ?? For god's sake do us all a favour and go and play the sims
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2004.05.07 16:27:00 -
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ROFl great site mate 
We are cursed men
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Caeneus
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Posted - 2004.05.07 17:31:00 -
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So waht hes a thief get over it. Hunt him down and take him out. He is roleplaying a character role that belongs in a realistic universe.
PS. Comparing someone who is flying around in a space ship to someone who still thieves when sticking a sword into somebody was the way to get things down isn't very relative.
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2004.05.07 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchello
http://home.comcast.net/~s.lietz/mitch1.jpg
You are NOT Justin Timberlake.
E.T. Radio - designed to enhance your flying experience.... http://radio.evesound.net:8000/evetrance.ogg.m3u |

Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.05.07 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cao Cao on 07/05/2004 19:04:49
Originally by: Mitchello
Claiming that it is role-play when you create a character to cause nothing but angst is an insult to role-players. Pure Antagonists arenÆt a viable option for those who want to play a community RPG. Your ôJustificationö is merely an attempt to seem high minded when in fact you merely like causing people to feel bad. The line you cross is that you purposefully irritate people through a lazy loop hole rather than the skillful tactics of a rouge.
Now I donÆt know what RP books you have read to give you this warped ideology of what it means to roleplay but every Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance novel that has graced my shelves (and contains character that are thieves) all show one shining similarity. These thieves are quick and deft. They have skill and talent and slip heedlessly thought the night to procure rare and valuable items(I.E. not common ore).
If you take a care to look at your tactics, I have seen them first hand, they go like this:
You plod in your Indy going terribly slow. People notice you (thus canceling your ôthief nessö right there) and using the loop whole know to all (again not subtle just simple) you fly up to the can and take the pitiful ore of empire spaceàbut only 1 Indy load full. Then you warp off to a station and dock, thus being safe. You then turn around and gloat because you know that it bothers people that you take from them (thus letting everyone in system mark you as a thief...real subtle). So for all your vapid and lengthy attempts to convince your self your RPing you know your just ****ing people off for kicks.
The only time your even interesting is when you get blown up by a suicide kestrel which I find most depressing because to actually defend their assets people have to take advantage of a loop hole too.
You arenÆt role-playing a thief and all the justifications in the world arenÆt going to make it so. That CCP allows you to exist is the irritant, not you. You canÆt take enough ore but to effect newer players.
The reason I know first hand is that a new corp mate, just joined us on his 3th day in eve. He was brazen and mining in his Tier 2 amarr frigate. He was so proud of the fact that he spent 4 hours mining into a can in a 0.6 system. It was hard for him, he explained later of course, he had to use a gun so he only had the one mining laser.
Guess what happened. Vogon comes plodding in and head for his can, over corp Samos says ,öThere is a bestower coming at meö
After a few short words we identify that an ore stealer is heading at him. So we offer suggestions, haul the can (he couldnÆt quickly) Did you use a secure can? (what is that and IÆm broke anyways, took all my money to buy this tier 2 frigate) Well Sh*t you realize that in 0.6 CCP lets people plod along and take ore right? (But I spent 4 hours getting this ore...)
And of course what happens is Vogon (hiding in an npc corp of course) takes all this guys ore. Then as if he has something to show off about he announces in local ôYou have be Vogonedö or some such nonsense and runs too a station. Of course IÆm already in my kestrel inbound to that system with the intent to abuse the game in responseàbut he logs of course and stay off line for hours and hours.
Now if Vogon had stolen half a can from me or a corp opp it wouldnÆt have mattered much. But this guy Samos spent 4 hours mining with his one little laser and it was all taken away. And to him it was more the principle of 4 hours of game time wastedà
Vogon you are 99% insignificant to the game world as a whole. No one need care nor heed your word. But that 1% of effect is the hurt and irritation of people like Samos who did not disserve it.
bcuae of that, In that 1% you irritate me and many othersàand even still in the end you donÆt have a great effect. Some day maybe you will play the game and join the rest of us in RPing.
however to make a site proclaiming your greatness does less to bolster your image and more to annoy the rest of us. There is no justification other than you like to annoy people. Be honest and less superfluous, other wise you look like an egotistical jerk.
Vogon,
After reading Mitchello's post I truly understand why you do it! If only I could get a rant about me in the crime and punishment section of the forums for blowing people's prized battleships up . . . and podding them and making them lose their implants . . . arrrghhhh! Maybe I'll have to take my Iteron mk5 into empire space.
By the way, did you know that a mk5 can withstand a full volley of cruise missiles from a kestrel? Yes - in fact, in my Mk5 I can eat 4 cruise missiles without taking any armor damage. It's all about the small c5-L and shield hardeners. You should spend the time and train up to that badboy. It'll make you so much more durable.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.05.07 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard
Originally by: Mitchello
http://home.comcast.net/~s.lietz/mitch1.jpg
You are NOT Justin Timberlake.
lol who said i was? Justin Timberlake is a cuttie pie so I'll take that as a compliment :)
and Tenaj your even more insignificant than Vogon ;) sorry man but its true.
anyway, points valid as can been seen by the pirates enjoying the angst and those who aren't..don't. Thief a Bs mining opp not a lone noob, thats lame as lame comes.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.05.07 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cao Cao Edited by: Cao Cao on 07/05/2004 19:04:49
Vogon,
After reading Mitchello's post I truly understand why you do it! If only I could get a rant about me in the crime and punishment section of the forums for blowing people's prized battleships up . . . and podding them and making them lose their implants . . . arrrghhhh! Maybe I'll have to take my Iteron mk5 into empire space.
By the way, did you know that a mk5 can withstand a full volley of cruise missiles from a kestrel? Yes - in fact, in my Mk5 I can eat 4 cruise missiles without taking any armor damage. It's all about the small c5-L and shield hardeners. You should spend the time and train up to that badboy. It'll make you so much more durable.
the difference is that you Cao Cao are a valid RPer, piracy is completely valid if pointless and sad in a game of imortality and never ending minerals. Vogon isn't, plain and simple :)
sorry Vogon *hug* come play EVE sometime, you might like it.
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Greenhalf
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Posted - 2004.05.07 21:45:00 -
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The title was a bit misleading i though you were saying that CCP had a customer service department, lol as if.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.05.07 21:52:00 -
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Want to be a more respectable ore thief? Steal from ppl in 0.4 and below and start a player corp so ppl can declare war. Since you don't want to be a respectable ore thief this will not happen though.
This is a lame way of financing your piracy Slarti (imho).
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.05.07 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Darrin Tobruk on 07/05/2004 22:17:37 *Sigh* The debate continues... 
Jet can mining is not an exploit. If it were, CCP would warn/ban people who do it. CCP should, in my opinion, change the size of jet cans and pirate drop cans based on the size of the ship it is jettisoned/dropped from (one size for frig, one for cruiser, and another for battleship). I think that would be the best way to put this argument to rest for good.
Hmmm... I might need to post that in the Idea Lab
And one more thing; if you ever dropped a lame-ass "you've just been Vogonized" bookmark in a can of mine whose contents you just took, I'd file a harassment petition on your sorry butt. _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low. |

Ignace
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Posted - 2004.05.08 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ignace on 08/05/2004 04:11:39 Edited by: Ignace on 08/05/2004 04:11:23
Originally by: Mitchello The line you cross is that you purposefully irritate people through a lazy loop hole rather than the skillful tactics of a rouge [sic].
"The skillful tactics of a rogue" ...that gets caught more than Vogon. In any game, the people who get complained about in forums like these are merely the most effective at what they do. All these suggestions to Vogon on how to become a more "respectable" thief are just suggestions to make him a less effective one.
Vogon, I salute you, but will kill you if I see you putting a finger on my ore. =D
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.05.08 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Skelator on 08/05/2004 04:53:58 [
Cao Cao I dont know if anyone here remembers the Stories I used to write about the Characters here in this particular part of the forum?? I used to enjoy writing them untill the new moderator showed up and moved my stuff to the stories section. If "Eris" would be so kind to let me I will write stories again even one about you 
Since my Stories are strictly related to "Crime and Punishment" characters do you think a few of you can ask her if it would be ok to continue my old traditions here in this section. If yes I will start writing a story right away  
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Joe Blob
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Posted - 2004.05.08 10:50:00 -
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Seems to be too many people crying about Vogon and Tenaj's choice of proffession...... so what if they steal, there are thieves in this world, and ppl do roleplay in eve, why not be a thief? get over it, Shut up and play!!
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.05.09 01:47:00 -
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Skelator,
Yes I remember them. Very nice ones . . . but Eris Discordia hates me so I'm not the one to be asking her for permission to do anything . Also you might want to check out my biography cuz I already have a story , and if you decided to write anything it would have to be in-line with that one hehe.
Cao
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.05.09 02:18:00 -
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You needed to train an Iteron 5 to be hard?
Damn, you need the Badger 2. It's a the most surviveable hauler in the game, and I can get a MWD on it. At least, I could, if I practised my energy management a bit better. Or got some better RCU's ++++++++++++++++++++ CEO of the Space Munchkins. Fear my kneepads of allure!
Huzzah Federation Foreign Minister - Ask about our tasty NAP's - Now in protein delicacy and cow flavour!
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.05.09 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Dan You needed to train an Iteron 5 to be hard?
Damn, you need the Badger 2. It's a the most surviveable hauler in the game, and I can get a MWD on it. At least, I could, if I practised my energy management a bit better. Or got some better RCU's
I'm kind of interested in how you can get a 10mn MWD on a badger-II... 80 grid and only 3 lowslots to get to 150? Even with engineering 5 I dont think it's possible. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003 |

ZURAN 666
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Posted - 2004.05.09 05:57:00 -
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You need to be more careful in your reading Pandora. You CAN get a 1MN MWD On the badger 2 I do it all the time. He never said a 10MN. Kein Mehrheit F³r Die Mitleid |

Joe Blob
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Posted - 2004.05.09 11:08:00 -
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You can get a 1mn on a badger 1, two if you shoehorn it.
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FreeTofi
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Posted - 2004.05.09 11:43:00 -
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hehehehe nice Vogon, let's all get together and "liberate" Mithchello's ore :)
"We are The Sister's of Mercy"
"We know no Fear"
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Tau Stone
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Posted - 2004.05.09 12:11:00 -
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Many months ago, I was part of a mining op that Vogon, uh, "visited". Fortunately, our eagle-eyed indy pilots got to the ore before he did
We were lazy and using unsecured cans in empire space, we deserved to get targetted by ore thieves.
IMO, high sec empire space is there to secure your ship, not your random crapola that you've left lying about. You cannot leave stuff in unsecure cans and not expect people to attempt to steal it. To assume that is just naive.
As long as people are to lazy to use unsecure cans there will be ore thieves, and good luck to them.
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