[this comment would be really good in Dutch but sadly does not translate to English and retain its original quality - 'Brandstapel' was involved']

To summarize : Yes

let me drop character for a second and bear with me -.

This is a sad day.

Let me go into character for a moment:

Let me go into character for a moment:

IZ FEELIGN U OVRESTATE ZE PUROBLEM.

TUNE IZ KANDIDAYTE WEN AKCEPTAD BI CCP.

SO MALEING ONLI DURIGN ERECTIONS.

AND ONLI WUN MALE TU A TUNE IF PUSSYABLE.

UDDERWIZE CCP DIAGORAS BANHAMMUR UR ASS.

TREBOR FUR CSM7

Mintrollo - you do realize that your making yourself look like a 3 year old right?

Mintrollo - you do realize that your making yourself look like a 3 year old right?

He indicates he wants to be taken seriously by talking out of character. Fair enough.

He indicates that we should take him extra seriously because he runs a multi-million dollar software company. (Relevance?)

First Statement Reply: Seriosuly? (oh sorry bout the pun) The only thing I can take him to be is a (CENSORED) ****** but thats just me.

Second Statement Reply: Read first statement and then tell me that again.

As to the spam...there's a difference between screaming about being spammed by that idiot who calls himself a cannidate...and the fact CCP left a gaping doors worth of an exploit that can be used to make our lives a living hell when it comes to abuse of eve mail.

Spam by definition is unsolciated unaturhozied *did not give permission* unwelcome mail (electronic or not)...by that defiintion....its spam....end of discussion.

As to how people react...well that is their right is it not? No different than you calling them foolish for that right.

That is a contrdiction to be sure.

Um, sure...You sound just like Mintrolio and you feel the need to justify your attitude...with more name calling and meanness to support your emotional, not logical, position.

Okay, let's lay some ground rules for the rest of this election.

1. Mintrolio is not allowed to drop character.
2. Trebor is not allowed to go into character.

let me drop character for a second and bear with me - THIS NEEDS DISCUSSION.

Dude...you're not doing it right..

TBH, plenty of people who started or complained in a "boo hoo trebor spammed his campaign" thread look like a 3 year olds.

Mintrolio can't win the personality prize now no matter what happens.

The goofy and occasionally amusing all caps badposter persona is gone.

He indicates he wants to be taken seriously by talking out of character. Fair enough.

He indicates that we should take him extra seriously because he runs a multi-million dollar software company. (Relevance?)

Then he threatens CCP with lawyers...

He may need new lawyers if he thinks that the EULA is a legal obligation in anything like the same way as "killing people is illegal when it is not in the defense of self or others or ones property or others." (Yes, I live in Texas.)

The EULA is an agreement between CCP and the customer. It's THEIR EULA, mhmm.

The best choice, imo, is to NOT be so vigilant and so ready to be offended in the first place. If you feel badly and angry about this it is PURELY by YOUR choice. I just deleted the emails and moved on.

Another answer to this problem would be to report the spam if one feels it is such and let CCP deal with it. (They already did and said limited campaign spam is allowed.)

You received in game emails campaigning at election time. Who cares? As Malcanis said, reflecting thousands of years of the same sentiment, it must be nice that this is the most important thing in some people's lives that they have the time and inclination to be SO angry and SO upset about something that doesn't even qualify as a fart in a tornado.

Trebor sending a round or two of election campaign spam doesn't matter a rat's ass in the long run.

Why can't people save all this for something that actually matters to the game?

Lawyers? Really? For a minor EULA complaint? REALLY?

minor EULA violation is still a EULA violation. The only reason CCP gets away with it is because they understand that it's simply not cost effective to sue them for when they violate their own EULA. A GM once forced me to edit certain words out of my bio. I contacted a lawyer in the USA and even thou I live extremely close to their Atlanta office it would still cost me a few hundred dollars to sue them for violating my freedom of speech rights. I might get that money back when I win the case but I simply don't have the cash to take that risk. The law is on my side but at the end of the day money talks more than civil law does.

More than a few game companies, including Blizzard and Bioware, censor and control what players say in chat, put in their forum posts and their character information such as bios and names. MMOs are not havens for free speech any more than movie theaters are.

I am not a lawyer so I am wondering: What are the areas in which this lawyer practices and what did they tell you was the basis for pursuing your suit?

P.S. A quote of what words they wanted you to remove should be perfectly permissible as long as you say no more than "this is the text in question: [INSERT TEXT HERE]." If you will post that, we can get a better idea of how really egregious was CCPs EULA violation.

P.P.S. Threatening with lawyers is not something to be done lightly. The policy at every company I ever worked for was that if a client EVER used the "lawyer" word in a threatening manner, all further discussion with that client was to be handled by the legal department. That weeds out the posers extremely quickly.

roleplaying is gay

Its good to see such well expressed and obviously well thought out arguments from the members of Goonswarm. It really does answer the question of how someone like The Mittani actually made it onto the CSM in the first place.

we're all gay

I'd like to know HOW Trebor collected the names of thousands of Eve characters without using some sort of bot program to hack the server. Which of course is against the EULA. I'm sure he didn't just visit every system in the game and write down who he saw...

I'd like to know HOW Trebor collected the names of thousands of Eve characters without using some sort of bot program to hack the server. Which of course is against the EULA. I'm sure he didn't just visit every system in the game and write down who he saw...

On the subject of what trebor did I only found the rule 1 in the TOS that talks about spamming and no mention anywhere in the TOS/EULA that allows exceptions for CSM candidates so unless I missed something the GM's gave a go ahead to a spamming that was previously (and currently actually) against the TOS. That is in effect CCP violating their own agreement with me.

You could have read:

6: You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in the EVE Online game world or using the EVE Online web site.

Scroll back and see how a CCP authorized person tells you what the rules are in this case.

If you persist on using rules be so kind as to use all of them and not only the convenient ones.

Why is it that everyone in this game is either a CEO or a software expert in something.


no one is a lonely neckbeard pretending to be what they are not


my thoughts and **** you OP never drop character

If you are talking to me then I would like to point out that I NEVER said I was a lawyer and it fact said that I consulted a lawyer to find out the points I gave. You are welcome to consult your own lawyer if you think I'm pretending something. 100 mil isk says you won't be bothered to do so.

1. freedom of speech still applies in a virtual world WHEN that virtual world is ran by a company located in a country that has freedom of speech. CCP owns an office in Atlanta, Ga so may easily be bound by USA laws too not just Icelandic ones.

I may win, i may not, but considering the case would realistically go all the way to the supreme court before being done with and I'm sure CCP will pay the money to go that far I would have to be willing to do the same.

1.) What did the lawyer tell you was the specific legal basis for your suit, (so far "may" makes it sound like there is not much of one)

2.) What were the words the GM wanted you to take down?

This IS in the interests of free speech which is clearly important to you because you feel your rights were violated, yes?

I think you need a new lawyer.

It's a consult no lawyer (who cares about his reputation) is going to assure me, you, or anyone else anything without putting effort (which costs money) into the case. It's a may because without researching if they are even incorporated in the USA he doesn't know how much liabilty they would have and he isnt going to research anything without moneyRepeating the words here would only lead to someone petitioning and a GM intervening...duh?

when[/b] I win the case but I simply don't have the cash to take that risk. The law is on my side but at the end of the day money talks more than civil law does.

I may win, i may not, but considering the case would realistically go all the way to the supreme court before being done with and I'm sure CCP will pay the money to go that far I would have to be willing to do the same.