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Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kirex
Originally by: Joana Darklight we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more
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Expect a wardec once we're finished with our current war.
Sir, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Surreptitious
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Joana Darklight because we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more
LOL
I hope you are griefed out of the game. I see its already begun,,,,,,,
Syrup
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Joana Darklight Ok after reading up on this im quite upset, Ive been in my corp over 2 years, and now If i want to participate all because we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more we have no where near large numbers or are even very active in pvp but were being discriminated against anyways.
But regardless of this absulute idiocy that they chose to go with, it hardly matters cause all this will be is a gank fest, I mean common! you make people use T1 frigates to complete these "mission" but then alow people to camp the missions freely in any ship they want LOL! these message boards are soon going to light up with massive crying soon. EIther way in its current state FW gets a big fail in my books.
How ironic in bold. Just admit you dont like its current form because it's not set up for carebears. You said it yourself, your in a small alliance to avoid WDs. FW isnt for you to run missions and get fat, its for team work and PVP.. get over it! Go back to your bridge troll.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gridwalker
Originally by: Winterblink Yeah, this has already been discussed a lot, the issue of having to leave an existing entity or create an alt in order to participate.
And I think I've contributed at least 50% of those posts. :)
At this point, what is going to happen is going to happen. I think it is going to be a big fail, because I am having a difficult time figuring out who the expansion is really aimed for, or what it is supposed to accomplish. But I've been wrong before.
The whole concept of small scale skirmish-style PvP is really appealing to me, and it is something EVE has had a difficult time delivering up to this point. I just don't believe we're going to find it in FW.
-Grid
I just have to comment on the bolded and especially the italicized part:
EVE doesn't have to deliver PvP to you; you have to go find PvP. I have had plenty of solo PvP in small ships (frigs, AFs, interceptors, T1 cruisers) and I've had plenty of small gang PvP (2v2, 3v4, 4v4, 1v2, 2v1, 3v1, etc). EVE did not spawn some special place for me and my corporation to find this action - we found it ourselves and when we couldn't find it, we created it for someone else to find (thus finding it ourselves in the end as well).
Solo pvp never died. Neither did small gang PvP. Neither did non-nano/non-blob PvP. Neither did lowsec.
People just need to get back to sandboxing and stop crying for CCP to do things for them (not saying this is what you're doing, mind you, but to anyone reading this: if the shoe fits...).
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gridwalker It appears you took that out of context, particularly considering your reply. The statement "It's a PVE expansion that forces you to run around the most dangerous of space..." is clearly aimed at people who are interested in participating.
Ah, fair enough. My bad.
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In addition, why does all PvP content have to be inclusive to alliances?
Why does any content have the be exclusive of anyone? Do I need to leave my alliance to do exploration? Do I need to leave my alliance to mine? Do I need to leave my alliance to do COSMOS missions? I think one could easily make the case that allowing alliances to participate in any of these activities is "bad" because those alliances might dominate those professions.
So why is faction warfare suddenly so different? After all, isn't the whole concept of the "MMO" getting a massive amount of people playing together?
It's true that there aren't many features that have hard limits that prevent participation, but there is huge amounts of content that is only available if you participate in a certain playstyle. There are no T2 components that originate in high-sec, you cannot construct and pilot capital ships in high-sec, and you cannot construct an outpost without being in an alliance.
The fact is that not all content is available to everyone at once is true whether there is a game mechanic to stop them or not.
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Quote: Yes, if you're in an alliance, then factional warfare does not benefit you personally. But you're suggesting that factional warfare benefits no one or a very small portion of the playerbase, which is flat out not true.
So, what portion of the playerbase does it "benefit," and how?
-Grid
Those who want to PvP without dealing with alliance politics. Those who don't want to roam 0.0 for 3 hours in order to find targets. Those in empire who don't want to do the same only to have them station-camp until they get bored. Plenty of PvEers who want to PvP but don't want to join a corporation or pirate. I'd say that it appeals to anyone who wants fast PvP - that's why you're interested in it, correct? To assume that otherwise would suggest that every player is interested in PvP is already fighting in empire, 0.0, or pirating. To believe otherwise is very narrowminded. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Joana Darklight
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:30:00 -
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First off regardless of my opinions and or doings This system of not allowing players in becuase there in an Alliance is wrong your alienating a massive portion of the eve comunity.
I dont see why this is an issue, A player should be able to joing a corp and still be in a militia, in real life I have 2 jobs with 2 companys!! omg no way!.
I dont understand why they limit it, you think a corp of 5 people is not going t do a good of a job at ganking noobs and 5 people from an alliance will ? noncence!.
I want to play to!
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Novemb3r
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kirex
Originally by: Joana Darklight we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more
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Expect a wardec once we're finished with our current war.
Quotin' dis.
Enjoy your wardec. -
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Joana Darklight you make people use T1 frigates to complete these "mission" but then alow people to camp the missions freely in any ship they want LOL! these message boards are soon going to light up with massive crying soon.
Plz explain to me Joana how the pirates/neutrals/opposing faction can camp the mission/plex gate to keep you out when the beacon only appears after you initiate warp to it? You warp your T1 frig to the site and the enemy warps in his smartbombing uberwtfpwn t1 frig zapping bs of death. You are already in the plex running it as he finally trundles in to the gate and now he can't follow you any further. So how does this stop you from completing your mission again?
Mission? no.
Complex? Very easy, you spawn it and place your ships at the convenient range. So long as it is not completed you have the perfect bait. You even know the size of the ship that can do it.
If your entering a system with hostiles/neutrals in local and you don't scan the site first to see if anyone is camping/running it then you deserve to get shot up. So pirates will end up with the prey they always get. The Dumb Ones. Tbh though I think that the majority of FW players will not be dumb. System camped with a site already on the overview and your greatly outnumbered with no close backup to call on? Next system then..
Dumb or inexperienced like most of the Fw player (at least the supposed target) are.
Kill them enough times with BS when they are in frigates and you will not see them again in FW.
Beside: 1) the number of complex is finite. So leaving alone a complex because it is already spawned mean that there is a 1 less complex for all participants; 2) after 15 jumps with a frigate to say "All complex in this area are controlled, I should leave them alone and try another day" is hard. Someone will risk them.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kirex
Originally by: Joana Darklight we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more
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Expect a wardec once we're finished with our current war.
Was about to say the same thing.
Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:01:00 -
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Simplest and only way to be sure: open a petition under the Rule & Policy category and ask a GM about it.
That reply is official.
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Galan Amarias
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Joana Darklight First off regardless of my opinions and or doings This system of not allowing players in becuase there in an Alliance is wrong your alienating a massive portion of the eve comunity.
Unlikely, anyone who can't participate directly or who dosn't want to lose access to the trade hubs, is welcome to just go out to low sec and blast the participants. Banning alliances keeps 0.0 politics out of FW, that alone is worth it. 0.0 politics are annoying.
Originally by: Joana Darklight
I dont see why this is an issue, A player should be able to joing a corp and still be in a militia, in real life I have 2 jobs with 2 companys!! omg no way!.
RL analogy = fail, this is a videogame.
Having said that the reason you can't see why this is an issue is because you are not involved in a major 0.0 alliance; combined with an aparent total inability to see any side of any debate other than the one you favor.
Originally by: Joana Darklight
I dont understand why they limit it, you think a corp of 5 people is not going t do a good of a job at ganking noobs and 5 people from an alliance will ? noncence!.
I want to play to!
Here you make my point above about blindness.
You formed your alliance for convienance, it's two friggnig corps, do you even have any combined assets? Just split the alliance and play if you want in that bad.
You are made of absolute fail. EVE is a game where you make your own fun, not create alliances to run and hide from it!
I suppose if alliances could join you'd whine about being an available target for your enemies even when you are in high sec. (although you'd call it "safe space"). Then you'd whine when you keep getting jumped by the new and improved faction navies in Jita or Rens. Just wait till you realize that there is no method in the game to recover a faction standing below -2... OMG you blew up their stuff and they had the gall to remember...
Back under your bridge!
-Galan
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan PVP content is endgame content in ANY MMO that has PVP. This expansion is trying to make PVP a BEGINNING game, and that is going to fail.
The concept of an end-game is something that should have stayed in WoW, and I'm glad it hasn't infected Eve.
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Shaloran Kalior
Rakeriku Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kirex
Originally by: Joana Darklight we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more
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Expect a wardec once we're finished with our current war.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2008.06.04 09:04:00 -
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The OP is an NPC corp alt, so to everyone planning to wardec her and her corp / alliance ... how??
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Valkazm
Eve Defence Force Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.04 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Joana Darklight Ok after reading up on this im quite upset, Ive been in my corp over 2 years, and now If i want to participate all because we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more we have no where near large numbers or are even very active in pvp but were being discriminated against anyways.
But regardless of this absulute idiocy that they chose to go with, it hardly matters cause all this will be is a gank fest, I mean common! you make people use T1 frigates to complete these "mission" but then alow people to camp the missions freely in any ship they want LOL! these message boards are soon going to light up with massive crying soon.
EIther way in its current state FW gets a big fail in my books.
ehmm you missed the outcry your topic is so two weeks ago .. go hide under a rock .. .......................................
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Blutreiter
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.04 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Orrelious
Originally by: Kirex
Originally by: Joana Darklight we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more
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Expect a wardec once we're finished with our current war.
Problem solved!
This is awesome.
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Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sh*t up
Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kirex
Originally by: Joana Darklight we have an alliance of 2 corps of which was made only to make war decking us cost more
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Expect a wardec once we're finished with our current war.
So, posting with your main is actually a stupid idea, because this is the kind of stupid response you get.
--- Did I upset the wrong alliance with this post? Please don't ban me when it's your shift to control the Mitnal account.
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