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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:29:00 -
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40GB bandwidth cap being on trial in Beaumont Texas
What can I say but that I am glad I am not living out in the sticks where people get hung over a barrel with this kind of bull****. 40GB....are they ******* serious? I can go over the limit in a few days just from watching YouTube ffs. I truly feel sorry for all those small town people that have to put up with this ****. I live in Atlanta and if Comcast EVER even mentioned to me that they are putting this on trial.....hello Bellsouth.
For some reason this kind of crap gets under my skin. Even though it won't EVER effect me (I will never live out in the boondocks) I can feel for the people that will be effected.
If I were the Beaumont people I would drop T-W like ton of bricks and go with anything besides that. Or start a **** storm to get people's attention about Time-Warner taking advantage of small town people. It would CERTAIN suicide for them to even remotely hint that they were doing this in any decent sized metropolitan area.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:35:00 -
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Divide by 10 and you have a normal bandwidth cap in the UK.
This is why Brits regularly complain about it
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 03/06/2008 18:35:48 welcome to half of UK ISPs
some of the 'basic' packages have as little as 2GB monthly allowance, on an 8MB connection. ...
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:40:00 -
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The theory behind it is companies buy less bandwidth than they actually claim to sell in the UK, forced the well priced ones that were realistic out the market as granny and the twins thought cheaper = better.
Well that was very nice 5 years ago, its biting them in the foot as people are using the internets for more than email and browsing, ISPs are seeing their profits dip as customers swap around.... only to realise its the same deal accorss the board.
Britian needs more bandwidth at a fundamental level but as long as people pay for the current service companies are happy to use a copper network from the 60s to run the internet
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. |
nahtoh
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava The theory behind it is companies buy less bandwidth than they actually claim to sell in the UK, forced the well priced ones that were realistic out the market as granny and the twins thought cheaper = better.
Well that was very nice 5 years ago, its biting them in the foot as people are using the internets for more than email and browsing, ISPs are seeing their profits dip as customers swap around.... only to realise its the same deal accorss the board.
Britian needs more bandwidth at a fundamental level but as long as people pay for the current service companies are happy to use a copper network from the 60s to run the internet
Not all ISPs in the UK operate in this manner o2/BE don't...checkout the thinkbroadband.co.uk o2 forum, pretty much empty of the usual bitterness and bile that you find in the other ISP forums...
Which working in the o2 helpdesk its actually a plesure to read those forums. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Morbius Bloodstar
Through the Ashes of Empires
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:47:00 -
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massachusetts US
Comcast is leading company, no bandwidth cap :) upto 24mb/s
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:52:00 -
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I have heard about the horrors of the UK ISP's and you have my sympathy. This is why a free market works just because of these kinds of situations. I am normally on the fence in regards to complete capitalism (seeing how the last 8 years in my country has certainly shown the extent that adhering to a 100% free market isn't the answer to everything), but metered bandwidth is just crazy. Bandwidth isn't oil, bandwidth isn't water, bandwidth isn't corn. It's not something we are "running out of".
Yeah, sure we can argue that it is a commodity and all that. But do you realize how if all ISP's metered their services how that would effect things, creatively AND economically? Sure, the ISP's would make more moeny, but not much. Meanwhile creative things like "Clear Skies" or the latest YouTube videos or even sharing of homemade movies would be a thing of the past because no one in their right mind is going to pay an ISP extra money.
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Morbius Bloodstar massachusetts US
Comcast is leading company, no bandwidth cap :) upto 24mb/s
Amen brother. I like Comcast a lot. But I got some friends who live in Peublo Colorado and they say it's really bad with Comcast and that they are lucky to get a 4meg connection and there are no other broadband companies
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Kyanzes
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:48:00 -
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I always love to hear word from the land of plenty. 40GB bandwith limit? Fuel is a little above a dollar a liter? This is the end I tell you --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. |
xHalcyonx
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo 40GB bandwidth cap being on trial in Beaumont Texas
What can I say but that I am glad I am not living out in the sticks where people get hung over a barrel with this kind of bull****. 40GB....are they ******* serious? I can go over the limit in a few days just from watching YouTube ffs. I truly feel sorry for all those small town people that have to put up with this ****. I live in Atlanta and if Comcast EVER even mentioned to me that they are putting this on trial.....hello Bellsouth.
For some reason this kind of crap gets under my skin. Even though it won't EVER effect me (I will never live out in the boondocks) I can feel for the people that will be effected.
If I were the Beaumont people I would drop T-W like ton of bricks and go with anything besides that. Or start a **** storm to get people's attention about Time-Warner taking advantage of small town people. It would CERTAIN suicide for them to even remotely hint that they were doing this in any decent sized metropolitan area.
Well, I have bellsouth (living at my parents house while I go to community college) and I far exceed 40gb a month.
I drove through Beaumont yesterday and it is a tiny town so it probably won't be so bad there.
Also, to the OP, where in Atlanta do you live? I live in Gwinnett county. ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! |
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4rc4ng3L
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:11:00 -
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40gb hahahah
I have a 20gb limit in ireland.... and thats considered GOOD here
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Benco97
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: 4rc4ng3L 40gb hahahah
I have a 20gb limit in ireland.... and thats considered GOOD here
Yeah, I've got a connection with a 3gb limit and people complain about MAYBE having a 40gb limit?
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: pwnedgato on 03/06/2008 20:30:49 How is it possible to live with limits at all? I average about 10 gb of up/down traffic on a light day...
Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 03/06/2008 20:51:39
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Morbius Bloodstar massachusetts US
Comcast is leading company, no bandwidth cap :) upto 24mb/s
Amen brother. I like Comcast a lot.
LIKE the cable companies? They will screw you the second they figure a way to get away with it.
Have you missed the bits where Comcast is using deep packet inspection (DPI) technology to disable file sharing? Basically they'd look at your data stream and if they saw file sharing (even legal...they have no way of knowing which is which) they pose as your computer and send a signal to the other computer terminating the connection (Comcast forging packets to interfere with user traffic).
Don't trust them. And god help you if you need customer support from them.
There are other companies looking to use DPI to push advertising to you. Potentially even mucking with your search results to favor those that pay the ISP.
Then there are some toying with asking companies to pay money for improved bandwidth. If you are Company X and a (for example) Comcast customer visits your site unless you pay Comcast they will throttle your bandwidth.
US companies may offer vastly more bandwidth but are looking to screw you out of it in different ways. Naturally the current US Administration refuses to support any net neutrality initiatives. Let's hope the next president will.
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Faekurias
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:58:00 -
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Wow, that's some dumb bull**** right there, what is that ****? Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected] |
Gone'Postal
Scoopex The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:09:00 -
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Thats some ****** up ****
Uk Bethere upto 24mb (I get 23 now i've done a few tweaks) No cap 2.5 upload
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:13:00 -
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Time Warner? Thats Roadrunner, right? --- My cat Putter approves of this post. Be a Ninja! You know you want too: http://www.animecubed.com/billy/?Kravick |
Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 04/06/2008 00:43:26
lollercoaster!
Unlimited download limit 22 meg down, 2.5 meg up broadband for 22 quid a month with a solid, dependable and reliable connection. \o/
and if anyone wants to quote "fair useage policies" try downloading/uploading just under half a terabyte of data in a month and your ISP not even battering an eyelid.
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Buxaroo on 04/06/2008 02:28:48
Originally by: xHalcyonx
Also, to the OP, where in Atlanta do you live? I live in Gwinnett county.
Right off of Buford HWY. Actually, I can take a stroll and end up at the Pink Pony within 5 minutes
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nahtoh
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Verone Edited by: Verone on 04/06/2008 00:43:26
lollercoaster!
Unlimited download limit 22 meg down, 2.5 meg up broadband for 22 quid a month with a solid, dependable and reliable connection. \o/
and if anyone wants to quote "fair useage policies" try downloading/uploading just under half a terabyte of data in a month and your ISP not even battering an eyelid.
Yeah the AUP of o2/Be is pretty much "don't be a ***** about it" or as the AUP states it "don't impact other users"...But there have been no reported emails sent out about it. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Verone Edited by: Verone on 04/06/2008 00:43:26
lollercoaster!
Unlimited download limit 22 meg down, 2.5 meg up broadband for 22 quid a month with a solid, dependable and reliable connection. \o/
and if anyone wants to quote "fair useage policies" try downloading/uploading just under half a terabyte of data in a month and your ISP not even battering an eyelid.
Who is that? Verizon's Fios service is rather similar to that for me. 20 up/20 down and they've never so much as mentioned my massive usage.
Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
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mamolian
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:45:00 -
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I'd be very surprised if you could use 40 gig of bandwidth watching youtube.. My transfer limit is 30 gigs a month.. and never go anywhere near it.. even with regular torrent downloads.. -----------
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:31:00 -
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Is there a free site I can visit to find out how much bandwidth I use in a given day? --- My cat Putter approves of this post. Be a Ninja! You know you want too: http://www.animecubed.com/billy/?Kravick |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 04/06/2008 05:48:44 guess id be in trouble if i had RR.... http://www.solarflare.tv/gigs.jpg
edit: changed an img to url!
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defiler
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasari Is there a free site I can visit to find out how much bandwidth I use in a given day?
I don't know about you, but I certainly hope there's no website that keeps track of my bandwidth usage...
There's plenty of programs that'll do that for you though, like the one in the above post (not familiar with it) or Netlimiter which I happen to use (yeahyeah, I know it's buggy etc). Even the free version (Monitor) should be able to tell you how many truckloads you fill tubes you clog up.
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RichThugster
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo Bandwidth isn't oil, bandwidth isn't water, bandwidth isn't corn. It's not something we are "running out of".
Its not capped because there is a shortage, its capped to prevent people abusing it. The bandwidth does cost the ISP money per Xgb. Since internet speeds have gotten faster its now not just a reality to download all your music (legally or illegally), its also very common that people download films/tv programs. There is an increasing number of tv companies (certainly in the UK) that are allowing on demand tv-watching through the internet. Using this service, you can watch any program shown thru the TV on that channel from the last 7 days or more.
Back before speeds were this high, you had internet users that checked their email and did some light surfing (maybe a few 100mb) and a smaller minority used it for "hardcore" music/**** downloading, (maybe a few gig). Currently there are similar people who do their light browsing, but the "hardcore" people now download hundreds of gb a month. Id imagine in my house the region between 150-200gb is used, as we watch lots of programs on demand, and bittorrent others.
Due to the increase in bandwidth used by the ISP's should they A) make a loss B)charge EVERYONE (both internet browser ppl, and hardcore downloaders) The same price? C) introduce caps, which (unfairly according to you) charge the people who use more, more money.
I disagree totally with download caps, especially the way you usually have to read the T&Cs to actually find the stated cap. I used to work in a shop where broadband internet was a service we sold. Where we live there are fibre optic lines (which currently have no cap) whereas pretty much all other ISP's (ADSL) do have caps in place. Indeed getting cabled internet is often more expensive per month, but if the consumer is going to use that much of a service, then they pay for it.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:06:00 -
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i hear lots of noise about things like the BBC player making ISPs angry, im wondering does cable in the UK have any form of On Demand like we do here in the US?
On Demand is basicly Video on Demand via your cable STB and is totally seperate of the internet service.
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 04/06/2008 05:48:44 guess id be in trouble if i had RR.... http://www.solarflare.tv/gigs.jpg
edit: changed an img to url!
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Znaei
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 13:07:00 -
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I live in Iceland so our case is a bit different, as we are in the middle of nowhere and rely on cables to Europe and US. All ISP's here have approx 60-80gb limit on foreign download (domestic is unlimited). If you exceed the limit, in most cases you will get limited (half) speed the next month. The reason they do that is because if everybody had unlimited download for torrents etc, all other traffic (http etc) would be significaly slower. And since its only about 10% of the total customers that dl alot, its better to limit it, rather than having 90% ofyour customers unhappy. Besides, I think 80gb is alot.
For ISP's, buying bandwith is very, very expensive and not cost effective.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.04 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 04/06/2008 13:12:45
Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 03/06/2008 18:35:48 welcome to half of UK ISPs
some of the 'basic' packages have as little as 2GB monthly allowance, on an 8MB connection.
never realised it was that bad.. jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
lucky i dont have limits :D or at least, if i do, ive never had anyone ***** at me about exceeding it.
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