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Arthor Dark
N.A.S.A.
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Arthor Dark on 04/06/2008 16:52:50
Can a Drake fit solely for tank (with tech2 and rigs) be able to passive tank full room agro of lvl 4s?
If so, what fittings would be best?
P.S. eve-search is lagging for me for some reason.
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Kilal Destantia
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kilal Destantia on 04/06/2008 17:24:13
Yes it is entirely possible for a large number of the missions.
Best results are if you fit mission specific resists. True passive if your skills are good is ideal for the missions with neut towers. Don't want your resists disappearing when you can't warp out and have a lot of NPCs firing at you
Lows: 4xShield Power Relay II
Mid: 3xLarge Shield Extender II, 2 Primary amps, 1 secondary
Rigs: 3xCore Defense Field Purger
if you don't have high passive resists skills go with active hardeners and drop 1 SPR II for a Power Diagnostic System II
I personally fly with active hardeners on my drake when i take it out. But when i used to run lvl4s with it i would go as the tank for the group and grab full aggro then sit there while i take out smaller ships and the ravens and such would drop the big guys
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Arthor Dark
N.A.S.A.
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Kilal Destantia
Edited by: Kilal Destantia on 04/06/2008 17:24:13
Yes it is entirely possible for a large number of the missions.
I have passive resist skills at lvl 4, so using passive amps and also 2 med shield transporters active on the Drake (from gang members); what lvl 4 missions would I have trouble tanking?
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Transmaniacon
Strike-Force-Alpha
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:43:00 -
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If you are rigged, and using the above mentioned set-up, and have people shield repping you, then there should not be any lvl 4 mission you can not tank. Shield operation and management at V, along with your mentioned high compensation skills will make for a rediculous tank.
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Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Transmaniacon
If you are rigged, and using the above mentioned set-up, and have people shield repping you, then there should not be any lvl 4 mission you can not tank. Shield operation and management at V, along with your mentioned high compensation skills will make for a rediculous tank.
It will also make for absolutely ****-poor DPS if all your lows are full of SPRs. You might be able to tank it, but the enemies are more likely to die of old age before you actually clear them out.
Of course, if you actually fly missions sensibly and are capable of controlling what you aggro - instead of just blindly aggroing everything and relying on your tank - you can probably fit a couple of BCUs instead of some of the SPRs and actually stand a chance of killing something.
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Durzel
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Spud Gunn
Originally by: Transmaniacon
If you are rigged, and using the above mentioned set-up, and have people shield repping you, then there should not be any lvl 4 mission you can not tank. Shield operation and management at V, along with your mentioned high compensation skills will make for a rediculous tank.
It will also make for absolutely ****-poor DPS if all your lows are full of SPRs. You might be able to tank it, but the enemies are more likely to die of old age before you actually clear them out.
lol never a truer word spoken 
Even after fitting BCS (I had 2 on my Drake) you will still find wearing down battleships to be like a war of attrition.
If you're looking for a challenge just don't bother tanking it too much, if you're trying to be remotely efficient - get a Raven, it's by far the better tool for the job.
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Transmaniacon
Strike-Force-Alpha
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Transmaniacon on 04/06/2008 18:47:59
I was just answering his question, in that it is entirely possible, however yes as you said, your damage will suffer when fit for max tank. However, he did say he would be repped by friends while in the missions, meaning DPS becomes less of a factor with more than one person attacking.
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Kilal Destantia
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Posted - 2008.06.04 19:01:00 -
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Ya if you actually want to kill a BS anytime soon then all tank won't get you very far. But if you act just as the tanker and help take out the smaller ships that kind of setup works wonders because most missions you will laugh at. I think mission wise Pirate Invasion gave me the most trouble with my drake but it still was possible just not quite as safe as all the others
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Arthor Dark
N.A.S.A.
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.04 19:06:00 -
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I'll be using 4 accounts on 3 computers with 3 monitors.
My plan is to warp in the Drake and agro everything. Then warp in two ishtars, launch sentries IIs and put them on guarding the Drake, and remote shield rep. So while they are killing and tanking everything by themselves, I'll warp in a hurricane to salvage / loot as things are being killed.
The ishtars would have just enough cap to perma run the remote shield transporters, and 2 sentry drone rigs. I don't want to bother adding any rails or heavy missiles launchers as I'd have to switch targets with those all the time, taking me away from salvaging / looting.
That's the best least micro-managing setup I can think of to do level 4s. Any suggestions to improve?
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.06.04 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
Originally by: Spud Gunn
Originally by: Transmaniacon
If you are rigged, and using the above mentioned set-up, and have people shield repping you, then there should not be any lvl 4 mission you can not tank. Shield operation and management at V, along with your mentioned high compensation skills will make for a rediculous tank.
It will also make for absolutely ****-poor DPS if all your lows are full of SPRs. You might be able to tank it, but the enemies are more likely to die of old age before you actually clear them out.
lol never a truer word spoken
Even after fitting BCS (I had 2 on my Drake) you will still find wearing down battleships to be like a war of attrition.
If you're looking for a challenge just don't bother tanking it too much, if you're trying to be remotely efficient - get a Raven, it's by far the better tool for the job.
When I was first training for a Drake I found that my damage was inadequate for many level 4's - I simply couldn't muster the damage required to kill some of the BS rats.
Now that I have millions of SP dedicated to battlecruisers and medium guns and missiles I find that I can do any Level 4 the game has thrown at me. It still is not anything approching effecient but I always make sure I have a drake sitting in a mission hub as a "ship of last resort". No matter what losses I take elsewhere I can rebuild my income with a Drake.
If you're doing the mission with a friend in a battleship, I suggest using the Drake to take down the smaller cruiser/bc/frigate rats while your battleship piloting buddy works on the battleship rats. You'll finish the mission in a fraction of the time (because in a battleship it takes you more time on average to clear the cruisers and battlecruisers and frigates than it does to kill the battleships), and it makes the boring grind of PVE in Eve somewhat less tedious.
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Transmaniacon
Strike-Force-Alpha
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Posted - 2008.06.04 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arthor Dark
I'll be using 4 accounts on 3 computers with 3 monitors.
My plan is to warp in the Drake and agro everything. Then warp in two ishtars, launch sentries IIs and put them on guarding the Drake, and remote shield rep. So while they are killing and tanking everything by themselves, I'll warp in a hurricane to salvage / loot as things are being killed.
The ishtars would have just enough cap to perma run the remote shield transporters, and 2 sentry drone rigs. I don't want to bother adding any rails or heavy missiles launchers as I'd have to switch targets with those all the time, taking me away from salvaging / looting.
That's the best least micro-managing setup I can think of to do level 4s. Any suggestions to improve?
This is a clever strategy, hell you wont need to do anything once drones are assigned, go watch TV, take a break...haha
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Arthor Dark
N.A.S.A.
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.04 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Transmaniacon
This is a clever strategy, hell you wont need to do anything once drones are assigned, go watch TV, take a break...haha
The only thing that bothers me is when the missions have waves; I'd have to warp the salvager and DPS ships out while the Drake gets all the agro. I wonder if I can use cloaks on the ishtars ...
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.06.04 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Transmaniacon
Originally by: Arthor Dark
I'll be using 4 accounts on 3 computers with 3 monitors.
My plan is to warp in the Drake and agro everything. Then warp in two ishtars, launch sentries IIs and put them on guarding the Drake, and remote shield rep. So while they are killing and tanking everything by themselves, I'll warp in a hurricane to salvage / loot as things are being killed.
The ishtars would have just enough cap to perma run the remote shield transporters, and 2 sentry drone rigs. I don't want to bother adding any rails or heavy missiles launchers as I'd have to switch targets with those all the time, taking me away from salvaging / looting.
That's the best least micro-managing setup I can think of to do level 4s. Any suggestions to improve?
This is a clever strategy, hell you wont need to do anything once drones are assigned, go watch TV, take a break...haha
I don't think theres much to improve on his suggestion. Afterall a Drake with proper hardners and skills can perma tank most level 4's. A pair of shield transporters means that perma tanking the last room in worlds collide is probably possible. For the absolute safest bet I'd say the Dominix would be a better choice simply because it can dump on even more shields thanks to a sturdier cap and really max out the damage of its drones.
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Arthor Dark
N.A.S.A.
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.05 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
I don't think theres much to improve on his suggestion. Afterall a Drake with proper hardners and skills can perma tank most level 4's. A pair of shield transporters means that perma tanking the last room in worlds collide is probably possible. For the absolute safest bet I'd say the Dominix would be a better choice simply because it can dump on even more shields thanks to a sturdier cap and really max out the damage of its drones.
I had thought about the Domis instead of the Ishtars, but Domi are sooooo slow and clumpsy. And myrms have been nerfed, so that really only left Ishtars.
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Transmaniacon
Strike-Force-Alpha
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Posted - 2008.06.05 15:19:00 -
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You wont need to do much moving with sentries out.
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Disiegor
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.06 04:40:00 -
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Hi,
i'm a big drake fan. Have used it for 0.0 ratting and also tried it in lvl 4 missions.
It is easy to tank lvl 4 with a drake with good skills and a simple t2 passive tank(BC skill at 5 helps alot) but as mentioned in some replies before, the dps is simply a joke.
with perfect missile skills for the drake u'd still need almost twice as long as a decent fitted battleship and there's simply no point in doing lvl 4 in a drake unless u're just doing it while u wait for ur BS skills to be ready.
If u like Battlecruiser size ships u might wanna skill for a nighthawk, much more efficient for lvl 4 missions.
or just use it as pvp bait ship with 40k shield HP 
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