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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:24:00 -
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Is it fair that the biggest trading post is Caldari sovereignty? Gallente will have to deal with a big npc navy threat along with Caldari Militias looking to poke in on the fun.
High sec faction warfare is still unclear as to how it will pan out. But why should Gallente people have to consider dropping the war just to visit Jita? Some interesting events ahead. No?
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:25:00 -
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Don't do business there?
There is some good markets besides Jita. Maybe it will break the strangle hold.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:33:00 -
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Every empire have their big trade system. Jita vs Oursulaert for example.
Gallente pilots wont be able to goto jita to pick up ships easily. They will have to live with the dodixie/oursulaert markets.
This means that the link between these systems will become even more valuable to trade tech 2 items. Buy cheap in jita and move to oursulaert for a slight profit. Buy in oursulaert and move to jita to sell. The divide will create even more profit for the neutral traders.
Amarr-Jita is actually possible without going to minimatar space nor gallente. So amarr pilots will be capable of going to jita however will see amarr as a good easy spot to pick up ammo and such easily.
Rens will be another great spot to move ships to and bring back other things. As we amarrians will be destoying MANY minmatar ships. Just as amarr will need lots of ammo.
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Tek'a Rain
Collegium Mechanicae Holding
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:34:00 -
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Effect on someone in a Militia VS Caldari: Navy ships try to BBQ you when you enter that space.
Effect on Everyone Else, not participating in a Militia: Nothing.
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cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 04/06/2008 22:40:47
Most Gallente who can't go to Jita would just go to Oursulaert, Dodixie, or one of the other noteworthy trade hubs. Rens in Minmatar space is a solid choice too. Jita is the biggest hub, but it isn't the only one, nor does it have a monopoly on items. In fact, when people realize there is a market for people who want items from Jita but can't go there themselves, people will buy stuff in Jita and sell it in other hubs at a slight profit. The market will solve its own problems just fine.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Is it fair that the biggest trading post is Caldari sovereignty? Gallente will have to deal with a big npc navy threat along with Caldari Militias looking to poke in on the fun.
High sec faction warfare is still unclear as to how it will pan out. But why should Gallente people have to consider dropping the war just to visit Jita? Some interesting events ahead. No?
To be honest never ever thought about that (or have been to Jita). Well if this is true then this is another advantage of the FW. It will force the decentralization of the markets. Time for Jita to relax a bit, and time for pilots to find other markets.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:42:00 -
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All these dead ships is going to be GREAT for the economy for the smart industrialist anyway. Even weapons and ammo will be used up in greater numbers then ever before.
Perhaps even T1 Cruisers will be a little profitable once again.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:05:00 -
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There will be more market alts.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:14:00 -
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i really don't think Jita will be much different since mostly non-combat pilots (industrialists, traders, etc) do business there. and many combat pilots that want to buy/sell in Jita usually have a dedicated Jita-alt anyway. that leaves the gankers and griefers trying to exploit the huge crowds... and well if FW prevents them from being there, that would only be an improvement.
nonetheless, if FW really takes off there will be increasing demand for a non-caldari trade hub. they already exist, but will likely see more activity as militia pilots decide to go to their local trade hubs instead of Jita. this could shift demand out of Jita and slightly lower prices. but somehow i doubt that FW participants will make much of a dent in the overall market activity. if anything, it will increase profit potential from trade routes between the major market hubs.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Spineker on 04/06/2008 23:17:49
I think prices are lower because of Jita, without Jita the prices will increase. Jita is a natural price reducer. People go to Jita because it is cheaper and more of it.
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
Edited by: Spineker on 04/06/2008 23:17:49
I think prices are lower because of Jita, without Jita the prices will increase. Jita is a natural price reducer. People go to Jita because it is cheaper and more of it.
Now i disagree with you there, perhaps for the less bulky items it may be true where volume trade isn't so high, but lots of items in jita trade for a price above that of other nearby hubs because of the fast consumption rate on the market.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Spineker on 04/06/2008 23:30:53
I will look around
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nezek
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: nezek on 04/06/2008 23:52:29
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but somehow i doubt that FW participants will make much of a dent in the overall market activity. if anything, it will increase profit potential from trade routes between the major market hubs.
Keep in mind that these FW players will need a constant supply of new ships and moduals.
I'd be willing to bet that there are far more single toon players then there are people with a spare caldari trade alts who have nothing better to do with their time. Especially if the racial trade hubs will ballance themselves over time.
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kirra Liu on 05/06/2008 00:40:53
Faction Warfare is a new roleplay aspect to the Ev Universe, as such I think it is a great thing if it is a nightmare for enemies of the Caldari State to trade in Jita, afterall if youre roleplaying do you really want to be spending your hard eaned isk in the enemys major trade hub, funding the enemys war effort. I doubt that if a UK member wanted to buy a new battleship they would get it from a CVA station if they had the option. I know I won't be purchasing goods fom gallente or minmatr stations if I do decide to participate in FW.
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Lord Fitz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Is it fair that the biggest trading post is Caldari sovereignty?
The fact that it's a trading post is entirely decided by the players visiting it. FW will probably decrease the importance of Jita somewhat for PvP supplies. The stuff that's only big 'in jita' generally has nothing to do with PvP and will probably not have anything to do with players particpating in FW anyway. Not to mention there's always your trusty alt, the same thing 90% of people in alliances use already due to constant wardecs.
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Protrade
Industrial Solutions Group
Hephaestus Rising
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Protrade on 05/06/2008 01:30:27
Buy from me. I am a full supporter of the Gallente Federation  I'm in the "Gallente" hole though. Jita is my closest trade hub 
On another note. I see more demand in disposable ships and the associated modules. Demand should increase in the systems near FW and I am making plans accordingly.
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Miffed Kit
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:34:00 -
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Guys, stop viewing Jita as deathtrap for Gallente pilots. Rather, view it as a "target rich environment".
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.05 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
There will be more market alts.
This.
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.06.05 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kil''Roy on 05/06/2008 05:57:00
I think there was something mentioned about market alts?
Yea, they are pretty easy to create. Hauler alts too.
But of course, this must be the end of Jita, or atleast, once enough ships are there at once activating their warp drives, a black hole will spontaneously form and everything except the kitchen sink will get sucked down it.
I think the drain goes counter-clock wise in that part of New Eden too.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.05 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 05/06/2008 07:51:22
What does being "fair" have to do with anything? It's there because that's where people go – not because the devs placed it there.
If you don't want it to be there, don't go there – it's not like you can't find stuff just as well elsewhere. If you really think it should move, all you have to do is convince everyone to evacuate Jita. Get cracking.
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Segge Bolled
Rainy Day Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.05 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tek'a Rain
Effect on someone in a Militia VS Caldari: Navy ships try to BBQ you when you enter that space.
Effect on Everyone Else, not participating in a Militia: Nothing.
Generally speaking, this.
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ollobrains2
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Posted - 2008.06.05 08:28:00 -
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any proven gold farmers or macroers or isk evil dooers from poor countries put em permanently into the factional warfare corparations. Maybe instead of banning em put all the xyuou xyouu anx xyoodo characters and let the real players kill em
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Freya Marte
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Posted - 2008.06.05 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Is it fair that the biggest trading post is Caldari sovereignty? Gallente will have to deal with a big npc navy threat along with Caldari Militias looking to poke in on the fun.
High sec faction warfare is still unclear as to how it will pan out. But why should Gallente people have to consider dropping the war just to visit Jita? Some interesting events ahead. No?
Most people use alts for trading. Wont really affect it.
besides, you don't have to join your races militia form what I understand, or in fact sign up at all. So it's not gonna make a huge impact
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.05 09:27:00 -
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It won't have much of an impact I'll guess. FW is optional and players can come and go, with regards to millita membership and the 24 hour cool down, as they please.
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Claska
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.06.05 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains2
any proven gold farmers or macroers or isk evil dooers from poor countries put em permanently into the factional warfare corparations. Maybe instead of banning em put all the xyuou xyouu anx xyoodo characters and let the real players kill em
This i like
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Is it fair that the biggest trading post is Caldari sovereignty? Gallente will have to deal with a big npc navy threat along with Caldari Militias looking to poke in on the fun.
High sec faction warfare is still unclear as to how it will pan out. But why should Gallente people have to consider dropping the war just to visit Jita? Some interesting events ahead. No?
Whether its fair or not does not matter. If the gallente dont like it, its up to the gallente players to do something about it.
And I am a gallente player
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Is it fair that the biggest trading post is Caldari sovereignty? Gallente will have to deal with a big npc navy threat along with Caldari Militias looking to poke in on the fun.
High sec faction warfare is still unclear as to how it will pan out. But why should Gallente people have to consider dropping the war just to visit Jita? Some interesting events ahead. No?
hhahah i remember you, you frakin noob. I'm not at all surprised that your crying about jita. Even less surprised that you think its "unfair" for the caldari to have the largest trading hub.
you seriously fail much as you did in the other threads. I'll try to enlighten your sorry self,such a daunting task since I'm not sure you can comprehend much. but here goes..
Jita is not an "unfair" advantage. The player base created jita therefore it is not an unfair advantage, its merely a player created trading hub. There is nothing official about it and is in no way sanctioned by CCP.
2 things will happen.
1st the less dense then yourself will create transport alts to buy and trade and transport the goods into their respective zones. It takes how long to get indy 1,2 or even 3? These players will ignore the inherent problems associated with being part of a hostile militia to the caldari state.
2nd players,higher on the foodchain then yourself, will realize there is potential for profit. These players will start to slowly create new trade hubs or will help increase existing hubs. Jita will always be jita but it might be slightly weakened due to FW but then again thats what everyone wants and has been crying and moaning about for years.
1 and 2 are connected as people will likely import ultra cheap jita goods and resell for a profit at the growing local trade hubs.
1 and 2 help negate the "unfair advantage" of jita. The players created jita so they can remove it or replace it if they want to take the effort. people like you will forever be clueless however.
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