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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.05.08 03:28:00 -
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I bought a bpo (something minor in support of my corp) and went in search of an open lab slot.
I literally jumped almost 120 times and I didn't find one. I eventually gave up and left the bpo at a certain location.
Are lab slots really that rare now? People hoarding them? I remember a time when I could go just about anywhere except the highway systems and find lab slots...
Oh and as an update I lucked out and grabbed 3 lab slots in egbinger (one of the first systems I checked initially.) I logged on for something else and on a whim checked - 2 open slots so I grabbed them. I checked again the next day and found one open slot. Sooooo lucky
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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2004.05.10 17:41:00 -
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yeah it truly sucks...
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Ignace
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Posted - 2004.05.11 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ignace on 11/05/2004 01:41:28
This is a consequence of CCP's pricefixing and creating artificial scarcity. There's always going to be an undersupply because of it.
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.05.11 03:02:00 -
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wont this problem be fixed if/when you can build your own research labs?
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Ki Shodan
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Posted - 2004.05.11 14:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Shakul
wont this problem be fixed if/when you can build your own research labs?
how much does your own station cost? will they be for rent or do the corp that owns the station will use them exclusivly? even if some of the bigger corps would withdraw to their own stations there will not be enough free slots for every researcher in such a corp.
so the slot-problem will stay. 
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Tenbucks
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Posted - 2004.05.11 16:29:00 -
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Sit at a station for a couple days and check for slots threwout the day. Someone is bound to not pay thier rent. That is how I found 4 of them in one station. Good luck.
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.05.11 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tenbucks
Sit at a station for a couple days and check for slots threwout the day. Someone is bound to not pay thier rent. That is how I found 4 of them in one station. Good luck.
That's what I did - got luck - total of 5 lab slots in Egbinger station. Got stuff researching and copying full bore :)
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Seifern
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Posted - 2004.05.14 06:49:00 -
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This is the single most ignorant and childish antic I have yet to see in the world of EVE. Are players really so bored with the game that they now have to horde up all the labs so no one else can possibly research or copy anything and become virtual "slum lords"?
All I wanted to do was make an ammo BP a little more efficient for my tiny corp, and now I see that the uber-*****s have once again used their billions of ISK to gobble up everything in the game for themselves, because they have to be #1. Screw the little guy, make us pay 100x the value of the damn slot so your fat asses can get even more rich and you can OWN everything.
Big accomplishment. I feel bad for those of us who can no longer research unless we pay horrific taxes to YOU people, but I feel pity for those who actually take the time to make this effort possible. Lifeless little scumbags.
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Borunel
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Posted - 2004.05.14 13:37:00 -
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Hey, here's a concept, why not try buying a BPc and manufacture from that. There are alot of high quality ones available on escrow at very very reasonable prices and we'd love to make a tiny bit of money off you.
So why not help yourself by helping the researchers and the community rather than just wanting a lab slot so you can stuff your own corporation's fat face without overheads.
And no I don't hoard labslots myself nor sell them on, whether people who do this are 'lame' is irrelevant to most people.
One thing is for sure, I am mightily annoyed with isolationist ****holes like you who are driving smalltime researchers like myself out of business just because you don't feel you should have to do business..
<<You call them Yulai and Aurohunen and P3 and and a hundred other systems - We used to call it Brit. Bridge - and it never made any sense then either matey! - Jack Blood>> |
Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.05.15 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Borunel
Hey, here's a concept, why not try buying a BPc and manufacture from that. There are alot of high quality ones available on escrow at very very reasonable prices and we'd love to make a tiny bit of money off you.
So why not help yourself by helping the researchers and the community rather than just wanting a lab slot so you can stuff your own corporation's fat face without overheads.
And no I don't hoard labslots myself nor sell them on, whether people who do this are 'lame' is irrelevant to most people.
One thing is for sure, I am mightily annoyed with isolationist ****holes like you who are driving smalltime researchers like myself out of business just because you don't feel you should have to do business..
You'll be happy to note that I've bought many missile, drone and weapon bpcs for exactly the above noted reason. However, my corp needed a _bunch_ of these and a _bunch_ of bpc. Also, I'm a scientist at heart - that was my main purpose in my original corp so why _shouldn't_ I make use of the skills I've trained so hard for? Perhaps I should buy bpos for all of the missiles, drones, ammo, guns and other equipment that we buy off the market :/
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Aaquille
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Posted - 2004.05.15 01:21:00 -
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I got to admit I got lucky with my find of an entire station with all lab slots free about 2 months ago. then I acquired 8 more in a neighboring station. Thing is, I actually USE all thes slots 24/7 researching and copying BP's. It is a hassel/full time job keeping all the slots active, after all whats the point of anything over me100? wish I had some cruiser and bship bpo's 
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Seifern
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Posted - 2004.05.15 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Borunel
One thing is for sure, I am mightily annoyed with isolationist ****holes like you who are driving smalltime researchers like myself out of business just because you don't feel you should have to do business..
Isolationist? Is that what you call me picking a trade that I have an interest in too and getting **cked out of it by your uber "I was there first and own everything so tuff crap noob" attitude?
This is how unreal this problem is. A mega software corp buys up every single retail store in the free world so no one else can POSSIBLY have a chance to open a shop and maybe do a little business for themselves. It is not "business", it's another form of harassment and EXTORTION by you filthy rich scum bags.
Borunel, don't let me catch you without protection. You're a scientist? Good. I'm a killer.
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Lysithea
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Posted - 2004.05.15 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ignace
Edited by: Ignace on 11/05/2004 01:41:28
This is a consequence of CCP's pricefixing and creating artificial scarcity. There's always going to be an undersupply because of it.
Who is to say that scarcity isn't a good thing? If everything is available to everyone all the time, where is the sense of challenge and competition. Labs can be found if you are persistent and know where to look. Like others have said, you can also wait around for them to unrent. I vote to keep them scarce.
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tinkerbell
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Posted - 2004.05.15 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lysithea
I vote to keep them scarce.
I'm guessing you've got enough lab slots to serve your requirements, right? 
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TorquePSA
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Posted - 2004.05.16 05:30:00 -
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I do agree that there is a bit of a shortage. I don't think it's an epic shortage like some people let on. I also don't think "mega-corps" are hogging them all. Have any of you actually tried to horde labs? I came across several in a couple day span and it was hard enough to keep those until I could meet with different corp members to disperse them. If you don't use them you lose them. If somebody is able to horde this vast number of labs I say "more power to them." It's hard work. I still see open labs from time to time so they haven't quite perfected their hording techniques yet.
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Johnsus
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Posted - 2004.05.18 20:43:00 -
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I duobt there's a shortage of slots in the game, per capita, and the "business venture" of reselling slots for extreme amounts is near to brilliant. I don't care for it, myself, but with the labs going for a mere 1000isk, it was bound to happen.
Hats off to those who actually spend the time to go through thousands of bills every week to get those paid. :) I hope it's worth the effort you put into it. Me, I think they'll get bored since no one pays and go back to griefing rookies in 1.0 space. :)
Johnsus - CEO
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.05.19 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: tinkerbell
Originally by: Lysithea
I vote to keep them scarce.
I'm guessing you've got enough lab slots to serve your requirements, right?
Either that or they have 200 slots hoarded at a million a slot and dont want to lose their advantage..
Heres asking the Old Timers if they remember this SAME SITUATION back in the early days of EVe when a few corps went around buying up Every Office out there
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Sharon Stone
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Posted - 2004.05.19 07:29:00 -
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If the price of a lab rose 15% every rental period that all the labs in a station are filled, and dropped by 5% every rental period where there is a vacancy at the end of the period, market forces would take hold and you would have lab vacancies popping up everywhere. On highway systems, you'd have prices upward of 100,000 isk and thus people would ONLY use them when they needed them.
Market forces are the best way to solve the problem. I think the fix implemented earlier by doubling the slots was half-hearted at best.
Sharon
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2004.05.19 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sharon Stone
If the price of a lab rose 15% every rental period that all the labs in a station are filled, and dropped by 5% every rental period where there is a vacancy at the end of the period, market forces would take hold and you would have lab vacancies popping up everywhere. On highway systems, you'd have prices upward of 100,000 isk and thus people would ONLY use them when they needed them.
Market forces are the best way to solve the problem. I think the fix implemented earlier by doubling the slots was half-hearted at best.
Sharon
I don't think the calculation with 15% increase up to 100k is correct. I believe the lab slots are 3 day rentals. Now assuming your station has all lab slots full; you get a 15% rise every 3 days.
1,000 Day 1
1,150 Day 4
1,322 Day 7
1,520 Day 10
1,749 Day 13
2,011 Day 16
2,313 Day 19
It will take a 'very' long time to reach 100k.
Did I understand how you meant to put this?
And BTW, market forces are at work. You will probably pay a good bit of Isk for a nice lab slot location; free market in action.
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Alida Armida
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Posted - 2004.05.19 10:29:00 -
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Some of us wouldn't have the problems with scarcity of lab spots if our labs spots weren't being taken from us within hours of a BPO finishing. This has happened twice to my corp in the past week. The CEO was on with a GM for lord knows how long tonight. First he says he can't find any record of the CEO even having that particular BPO we said we had cooking eventho both the CEO and I were looking at it in our corp vault. When he did finally see it listed in our corp hanger, GM says that according to CCP records it finished cooking on the 16th eventho I saw it still installed on the 18th while installing a new BPO in another slot. This is ridiculous!!!  I have only been playing this game a few months and already have had more problems than I have had in an entire year playing other MMORPGs. I have a job that makes me real life money. I can't be on every second trying to fill slots the second they are empty. And dumping us within a couple of hours of finishing a BPO cook is totally ludicrist because there is always someone around looking to snatch them up. If they are going to put a limit on labs to create a demand for them, they should not do stuff like this to take away slots from those who are actually using them.
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Darantil
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Posted - 2004.05.19 12:31:00 -
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It is funny you should mention that Alida, I suspect that there may be something wrong with the way that the code that checks the whether a lab that has been used in the last rental period works. I have had a few times when a long job (10+ days) has finished and I have gone back to my labs hours or possibly a day later, but definately within 5 days, and found the lab unrented. I suspect that there is a bug in the code that means that it can only checks whether a job was started in the last period, or was still running at the end.
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Joe Chip
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sharon Stone
If the price of a lab rose 15% every rental period that all the labs in a station are filled, and dropped by 5% every rental period where there is a vacancy at the end of the period, market forces would take hold and you would have lab vacancies popping up everywhere. On highway systems, you'd have prices upward of 100,000 isk and thus people would ONLY use them when they needed them.
Market forces are the best way to solve the problem. I think the fix implemented earlier by doubling the slots was half-hearted at best.
You're about halfway there I think. All that has to happen is that lab slots should be biddable like any other item in the game, which is essentially what a 'buy order' is. BTW, increasing supply only temporarily solves the shortage, but does nothing to address the problem, which is that the pricing system carries no information.
The mechanism could work something like this:
During each rental period people who are interested in the slots place a bid to rent it. The advertised price for the slot would be the current high bid. At the end of the rental period (which btw, is paid for in advance) the current renter is offered to renew his lease at the high bid for that period. If he declines the high bidder is awarded the slot at that price. This is consistent with real behaviour. The landlord doesn't care whether you use the space you rent. He only cares if you PAY THE RENT. Of course, the current system is completely backwards, and an insult to the NPC corps whose real estate we're renting.
Now, we have true market forces in effect and real costs associated with the production of all things researchable.
I currently own 3 lab slots, two of which I use extensively, and one, which has a shuttle BPO in it and will pop out sometime in June because I don't want to lose the slot and cost is negligible.
I'm not an old-timer, I'm a little guy working practically by myself, but I saw the problem immediately and took steps to protect my own interests, because that's what people should do.
The problem lies not with people 'screwing the little guy,' its with the 'powers that be (READ: CCP) trying to re-invent rent control.
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Angel Alita
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Posted - 2004.05.21 08:55:00 -
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Having a similar problem with Lab Slots.
Checked a BPO researching, had a couple of days left, so paid the bill and didn't worry about it. Logged back on yesterday, the job had finished, and I had an Eve mail saying that because I hadn't used the lab my 1000isk was being refunded.
I'm not sure what definition of "unused" they have, but it's not the same as mine.
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Jim Bond
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:16:00 -
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One alternative maybe to make some research spots office related instead of just in station and limited to the designated HQ office.
What I mean is, at your designated HQ office, as well as hanger space, u also recieve from the station, a number of research spots, say for example 3-5 slots and this is included into the rent of the HQ office. Obviously the cost of rent of office would have to go up.
If you want more than 3-5 slots, then you rent extra research slots as you do now.
This would solve the problem of new corporations, not being able to do research and copying etc. Most corps i know also keep there BPos at there headquarters, so limiting to HQ wouldn't be a problem. And limiting to say 3-5 slots, there will still be competition for the extra slots in stations. Basically I can't see any downside of this idea, except if your a corp who doesnt produce anything.
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Baer Mearund
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Posted - 2004.05.21 13:37:00 -
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It still leaves the regular slots at the mercy of the lab hogs. Though I can see newbies getting together to form a research corp to get hold of the slots, which is a good thing.
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.05.21 14:44:00 -
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Tip i was given was to search for lab stations in dead-end systems. It's not a guaranteed instant without fail method but i soon found a station with 3 free slots in a station that was only half a dozen jumps or so from the then highway (by "soon" i mean half a day as opposed to "soon TM").
Unfortunatley i only needed 2 slots after a while so i let one go... kind of wishing i hadn't now that i'm trying my hand at research / manufacturing
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Don Caana
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Posted - 2004.05.21 17:58:00 -
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I really do not see the problem with the labs. First of all, it is not very easy to keep your labs, unless you use them, and....
Why on earth must every single person on eve insist on being a scientist? Of our 40 members, 2 devote themselves to science, and they also are the only ones that have access to the corporate labs.
Having a limited amount of labs actually means that you may find some joy in the eventual case that you do find one.
Eve is already a world of jacks of all trades. No need to make matter any worse.
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Alida Armida
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Posted - 2004.05.22 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Don Caana
Why on earth must every single person on eve insist on being a scientist?
Not everyone does insist on being a scientist. In our corp, one of my chars is the main researcher, just as we have a main production person. We have others that know how to do it in case I cannot be around, just as I can do production when the other is not around. But I cannot do my job when I lose research slots because of some CCP glitch and can't log on my scientist fast enough to re-rent it when there are people who leave their chars parked in stations just to scoop up slots.
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happy
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Posted - 2004.05.22 15:48:00 -
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THis is a few words that come to mind when i think abought people hording lab slots and not using them for legmit uses and selling them
Main Entry: 2exÀploit
Pronunciation: ik-'sploit, 'ek-"
Function: transitive verb
1 : to make productive use of : UTILIZE <exploiting your talents> <exploit your opponent's weakness>
2 : to make use of meanly or unjustly for one's own advantage
please if you are not happy with the curent lab sistuation please post you support here
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=82169
If your happy and you know it clap your hands...... and if your not happy and you know it, .....its probaly because i just podded
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Borunel
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Posted - 2004.05.23 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Borunel on 23/05/2004 13:47:50
I don't sell lab slots but I see a lot of them free in empire space. Maybe if anyone who isn't a
\Sim"ple*ton\, n. [Cf. F. simplet, It. semplicione.]
A person of weak intellect; a silly person.
tried
\Look"ing\, n.
The act of one who looks
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\Luck"y\, a. [Compar. {Luckier}; superl. {Luckiest}.]
1. Favored by luck; fortunate; meeting with good success or good fortune
and find one do you think?
Aren't dictionary terms in sigs great? Will you add those ones too?
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