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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:09:00 -
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We've seen and heard of these stories before but this seriously disgusts me every time it happens.
It makes me wonder where human compassion has gone. Logical thought and looking out for your fellow man. Are people so wrapped up in their day, so full of themselves, that they can't take a few minutes to help another?
I just read an article about a hit and run of a eldery man and it comes with a video. In the video he's just laying there in the road dieing. Nobody runs out to help him. The traffic hardly even slows down. It's horrible, just downright horrible and it ****es me off.
I might sound like a ***** every now and then in OOPE but in the real world I have a conscious. If I see somebody stuck on the side of the road I pull over and ask them if they help. I hold the doors open for the eldery, I don't care if it takes them 3 hours to get through that door, I still hold it open. Wether I know CPR or not, I'll still try to do anything because I know anything is something more than nothing.
Seeing something like this just makes me sick.
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I seriously hope they catch those responsible and that they get punished to the full extent of the law. As for the bystanders, I hope they have a hard time sleeping.
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EvilPhog
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:30:00 -
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My faith in humanity backbone. :(
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Shirley Serious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
It makes me wonder where human compassion has gone. Logical thought and looking out for your fellow man. Are people so wrapped up in their day, so full of themselves, that they can't take a few minutes to help another?
I think lots of people don't want to get involved with things because of fear of consequences. Stories in newspapers about people being assaulted and robbed after going to help someone lying in the street (person lying in street is accomplice), stories about people being sued for giving first aid, things like that.
I came across an old man lying against some railings in the street on Tuesday. He'd had a dizzy spell and had fallen over. I'd stopped my van to help him, and phoned for the paramedics. Thing was though, that this was outside some shops, and a school, so there were a lot of people out and about. Lots of passing traffic as well, yet I was the only one to stop.
Maybe that's that thing about how large numbers of people are less likely to do things than small numbers, because they all think "someone else will do something".
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Fink Angel
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:32:00 -
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I'm with you there mate. I'd like to see a cross over between the next link and our "horrible gruesome death" thread.
If there was a "scum olympics", the UK would get the bronze, silver and gold. 
Blind man attacked by cowards
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Kyanzes
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:38:00 -
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I certainly couldn't have done anything for the guy. Maybe standing in the way to make sure nobody hits him but that's all. I'm no doctor, how the heck would I know how to help?
The guy who hit him certainly made a serious mistake by crossing that double line, unless the traffic rules are significantly different in the US. Deserves punishment, obviously. Escaping the scene is also hardly understandable, except of course if he's a wanted criminal already.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
It makes me wonder where human compassion has gone. Logical thought and looking out for your fellow man. Are people so wrapped up in their day, so full of themselves, that they can't take a few minutes to help another?
I think lots of people don't want to get involved with things because of fear of consequences. Stories in newspapers about people being assaulted and robbed after going to help someone lying in the street (person lying in street is accomplice), stories about people being sued for giving first aid, things like that.
I came across an old man lying against some railings in the street on Tuesday. He'd had a dizzy spell and had fallen over. I'd stopped my van to help him, and phoned for the paramedics. Thing was though, that this was outside some shops, and a school, so there were a lot of people out and about. Lots of passing traffic as well, yet I was the only one to stop.
Maybe that's that thing about how large numbers of people are less likely to do things than small numbers, because they all think "someone else will do something".
All those are chances I'm willing to take.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: P''uck on 05/06/2008 19:46:18
Originally by: Fink Angel
I'm with you there mate. I'd like to see a cross over between the next link and our "horrible gruesome death" thread.
If there was a "scum olympics", the UK would get the bronze, silver and gold.
Blind man attacked by cowards
They just had the added bonus of the victim not being a real witness. sure its sad, but after all they just took some money and left him alone, they didnt hurt him. im not saying its good, but i dont think its any more cruel than any other robbery. its not really a lot more "cowardish" than just ganging up on someone, beating him up and take his stuff. you know, like eve.
in terms of robbery you might actually call that smart.
that guy bein run over and then left lyin on a street -with traffic- is a totally different ballpark, i still think the states win the flowerpot.
oh and btw, whats equally horrible is the fact that im not even surprised anymore.
Originally by: Kyanzes
I certainly couldn't have done anything for the guy. Maybe standing in the way to make sure nobody hits him but that's all. I'm no doctor, how the heck would I know how to help?
You dont need to be a doctor to get some bystanders block the road a wee bit so the guy has better chances of not being ran over a second time. sometimes even talking to the victim and making sure he stays somewhat sharp til the doc arrives helps. but yeah thats about all i could have done. and surely i would have done it. no chance id try to drag that guy around and possibly even hurt him more.
btw: saving lives can prove beneficial for your sex life, one way or another.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kyanzes
I certainly couldn't have done anything for the guy. Maybe standing in the way to make sure nobody hits him but that's all. I'm no doctor, how the heck would I know how to help?
The guy who hit him certainly made a serious mistake by crossing that double line, unless the traffic rules are significantly different in the US. Deserves punishment, obviously. Escaping the scene is also hardly understandable, except of course if he's a wanted criminal already.
Even stopping traffic is something. Calling the paramedics is something. Or even talking/comforting the guy is something.
Looking at the situation that is a 2 lane road and both cars crossed illegally into the opposite lane. Had another vehicle been there you would have seen a head on collision.
I'm willing to bet that both drivers are teens. I'm willing to bet they were having a joyride race around town, one guy trying to keep up with his buddy. The second guy hit the old man and just freaked and kept on going. I'm hoping he's smart enough to come forward but chances are he'll hide.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Calling the paramedics is something.
****, thats so basic i wouldnt even have thought youd have to mention that.
Id prolly have my cellphone out before the guy hits the floor, since emergency calls are free and i cant afford any real calls 
"look ma, im using mah phone OUTBOUND" \o/
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: P'uck
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Calling the paramedics is something.
****, thats so basic i wouldnt even have thought youd have to mention that.
Id prolly have my cellphone out before the guy hits the floor, since emergency calls are free and i cant afford any real calls
"look ma, im using mah phone OUTBOUND" \o/
Sounds basic but you'd be surprised how many people just stand there and stare.
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Sexiest Beast
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.05 20:02:00 -
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some people are indeed scum but not everyone is the same.
Although . . i was in my car one afternoon when the trafic started to back up along a busy road. Some guy had was lying in the road unconscious or very very sleepy . The road was getting totally backed up with all the cars trying to get round him until a few cars in front of me someone got out there car and went over to the guy lying in the road.
to my shock he just moved him onto the pavement and got back in the car and drove off. 
Yes i would agree that people arent always the best of samaritans but the news is also littered with dead heros who "just went to help"
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Blue Binary
Polychoron
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Posted - 2008.06.05 20:45:00 -
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A shame to see that happening.
In the city where i live you would at least receive a social scalding for not checking whether they are ok or not. I would hope someone would assist me if i was involved in an accident, as would you if it happened to you.
Perhaps the US should bring in laws such as those in France & Germany (Duty to Rescue). If you were worried about comeback with providing firstaid, "In Germany, "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" (neglect of duty to provide assistance) is an offense; a citizen is obliged to provide first aid when necessary and is immune from prosecution if assistance given in good faith turns out to be harmful." Should be a EU wide law imho.
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Remata Lakira
Terran Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.05 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Remata Lakira on 05/06/2008 20:59:57
Originally by: Blue Binary
A shame to see that happening.
In the city where i live you would at least receive a social scalding for not checking whether they are ok or not. I would hope someone would assist me if i was involved in an accident, as would you if it happened to you.
Perhaps the US should bring in laws such as those in France & Germany (Duty to Rescue). If you were worried about comeback with providing firstaid, "In Germany, "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" (neglect of duty to provide assistance) is an offense; a citizen is obliged to provide first aid when necessary and is immune from prosecution if assistance given in good faith turns out to be harmful." Should be a EU wide law imho.
That makes a lot of sense. You're right, that law should exist throughout the entire developed world. This is probably because I'm a very vindictive person but I would also love it if news outlets were allowed to name and shame those who ignore their moral duty to rescue. Maybe they could also find out the dirty on each individual and broadcast it to the nation. 
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Binary
A shame to see that happening.
In the city where i live you would at least receive a social scalding for not checking whether they are ok or not. I would hope someone would assist me if i was involved in an accident, as would you if it happened to you.
Perhaps the US should bring in laws such as those in France & Germany (Duty to Rescue). If you were worried about comeback with providing firstaid, "In Germany, "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" (neglect of duty to provide assistance) is an offense; a citizen is obliged to provide first aid when necessary and is immune from prosecution if assistance given in good faith turns out to be harmful." Should be a EU wide law imho.
I fully agree with you, maybe there should be a law. Idly standing by just makes you the problem and not the solution. Now I'm not saying that 20 people should jump in and beat on somebodies chest just to jumpstart his heart but come on, at least one person can do that. In that video nobody even bothered (although the one that came closest to the old probably atleast was asking the old man if he was alright.)
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Irish Whiskey
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.05 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I fully agree with you, maybe there should be a law. Idly standing by just makes you the problem and not the solution. Now I'm not saying that 20 people should jump in and beat on somebodies chest just to jumpstart his heart but come on, at least one person can do that. In that video nobody even bothered (although the one that came closest to the old probably atleast was asking the old man if he was alright.)
Bullcrap. The more laws that attempt to force a society to act a certain way are only met with resistance. Remember that canadian border ipod/laptop thing? I seem to remember lots of people being ****ed at that.
I dont want to be held accountable for not helping someone when I could have. That could be interpreted in too many ways by the twisted legal system, and it takes away my FREEDOM.
I do agree this is a unfortunate thing, but people get hit by cars lots. Just because this is one of the times it was caught on camera makes the whole story that much more disturbing?
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 05/06/2008 22:22:15
Originally by: Irish Whiskey
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I fully agree with you, maybe there should be a law. Idly standing by just makes you the problem and not the solution. Now I'm not saying that 20 people should jump in and beat on somebodies chest just to jumpstart his heart but come on, at least one person can do that. In that video nobody even bothered (although the one that came closest to the old probably atleast was asking the old man if he was alright.)
Bullcrap. The more laws that attempt to force a society to act a certain way are only met with resistance. Remember that canadian border ipod/laptop thing? I seem to remember lots of people being ****ed at that.
I dont want to be held accountable for not helping someone when I could have. That could be interpreted in too many ways by the twisted legal system, and it takes away my FREEDOM.
I do agree this is a unfortunate thing, but people get hit by cars lots. Just because this is one of the times it was caught on camera makes the whole story that much more disturbing?
What makes it more disturbing is that fact that people appear to be going about their daily lives like this is an ordinary event.
What will go through your mind if you get hit by a car (aside from the windshield). Won't you be wishing so be saved at that moment? You can see in the vedio that the man is still moving and probably semi-coherant. What if he looked over and just saw people standing there picking their nose.
I know it's absolutely horrible to get your hands dirty sometimes but that's life and in some cases that's somebody else's life. Some day it may be yours.
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Irish Whiskey
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.05 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I know it's absolutely horrible to get your hands dirty sometimes but that's life and in some cases that's somebody else's life. Some day it may be yours.
Oh my goodness you are so right! I never thought that someday I might need a total stranger's help!
Seriously dude if youre gonna try to argue one of my points try using an educated response.
If this whole situation makes you sick, why don't you DO something like volunteer at the hospital? I think you are the type to just sit back and complain about how awful the world is instead of getting your own hands 'dirty'.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Irish Whiskey
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I know it's absolutely horrible to get your hands dirty sometimes but that's life and in some cases that's somebody else's life. Some day it may be yours.
Oh my goodness you are so right! I never thought that someday I might need a total stranger's help!
Seriously dude if youre gonna try to argue one of my points try using an educated response.
If this whole situation makes you sick, why don't you DO something like volunteer at the hospital? I think you are the type to just sit back and complain about how awful the world is instead of getting your own hands 'dirty'.
Failure to read the first post, good job.
1 year ago a man's truck was broken down in the road and he stood there staring at his vehicle while people went around him. I couldn't help him get his truck started but I was able to chain it to mine and atleast get him off the road and call for assistance. I was late to work that day.
9 years ago I was stabbed trying to stop a guy from beating up his girlfriend. Everyone else in the room responded by being little statues. I don't.
Daily I open doors for people wether they be older couples or maybe a parent carrying their child. I got 2 free hands and 5 minutes of my life to put on hold.
When my friends wife left him with 2 kids and a ****load of bills he didn't even have to ask, I moved in and got him back on his feet.
I was walking through a mall one day and saw a special needs group moving about. One of them had a walker and kneepads and as he was moving by me he gained too much speed and fell to his knees. I held out my hand and picked him back up.
When I walked around downtown on Friday nights and saw somebody passed out drunk I would make sure they're ok then call them a cab. Then I would stick with them until said cab showed up.
I do these kinds of things all the time, it's who I am. You call me uneducated, others call me nice.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.05 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/06/2008 22:51:09
Haha, you got stabbed!
That'll learn ye for doing the right thing... hope you kicked his ass though
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 22:56:00 -
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I went back to my room to get my throwing knives since he wanted to play rough. Luckily for him our mutual friend 'D' who can bench 2 of me 'escorted' him before I could react.
Karma works wonders though. He was arrested on other charges a year later and is serving 10 in the state prison. As for me I've always got a knife on me now.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:00:00 -
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Get some training in the use of it... pull a weapon without knowledge of how to use it against someone with knowledge on how to take it away from you never ends well
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 05/06/2008 23:09:19
Oh I know my knives. They kept getting me suspended from school.
I've got several medium size throwing knives (a 2 pack and a single) that I practice with all the time. Got a target board set up outside. The single fits in my boot but I dont carry it everywhere.
I also have 2 throwing stars that I play with for fun although I'm not as good with those.
My pocketknife is a double bladed (2 blades) fancy looking thing that can also make a great fistpack.
Theres also about 5 more knives throughout the house and about 500 boxknifes that I kiped from work years back. I just never carried one around regularly until after that incident.
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Magnus Nordir
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:13:00 -
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I enjoy laughing at hobos and cripples (as in attempting to genuinely pretend I find them funny), why the hell would I help a wounded guy just so I end up getting sued for not being a doctor? That German law about having to help basically allows you to kill someone with the slightest sign of a medical problem under the pretence of helping them.
inb4 internet tough guy, but still, I find the whole "good christian" attitude - omg, someone's in trouble, good guy to the rescue - archaic and downright ******* dumb. Times two for the idiots who argue in favour of it on my intarwebz while still being apathetic sheep in RL. I'm asocial, and I treat others the way I expect they'd treat me given the same position. Anything above that is a waste of effort.
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Irish Whiskey
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I went back to my room to get my throwing knives since he wanted to play rough. Luckily for him our mutual friend 'D' who can bench 2 of me 'escorted' him before I could react.
Karma works wonders though. He was arrested on other charges a year later and is serving 10 in the state prison. As for me I've always got a knife on me now.
This is why most the posts I see from you I want to throw the BS flag.
You got stabbed then left the room? What was it, a fork? To get knives? In your house? You got stabbed in your house while the other people in your house sat still? Then you went to get knives instead of a gun?
The people you had over just sat still? Don't you have friends? What kind of people do you invite over?
Were you guys playing? If you were playing, why was he beating up his girlfriend? If they like to play rough together, why would you want to get involved?
So your friend 'D' took him out before you could get back? Why did 'D' not do anything before you got stabbed? 'D' as a mutual friend wont stop this guy from beating his woman but will do something to keep this guy from being attacked by you?
Your stories just do not make sense.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:33:00 -
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Stuff like this has always happened and forever will unfortunatly, all we can do is act when we see things like this occur.
Severe Vigilantism FTW!!!
Anyone remember the friggan Skinheads in Ft. Lauderdale beating to death a homeless man. Friggan idiots giving us white guys with shaved heads a bad name. Glad my Alma Mater FAU had security cameras located around their Ft. Lauderdale campus.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:45:00 -
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Sigh....
OK so about 9 to ten years ago I used to live in rentals and whatnot. I also did a lot of drinking in those days.
So when my lease was up at the place I was staying at I hadn't saved up any money to get into a new house. My friend Dan said I could stay with him and his GF in the crappy part of town until I could find a place of my own as they were renting a 4 bedroom/2 bath house.
See the crappy side of town part?
To shorten the story some this was a drug house. Drugs came in, Drugs went out. Hot items came in, hot items went out. Random stoners raided the fridge and couches, random stoners went out. Got the jist of it? Not the best place to be. Lots of parties though including one where we set the porch on fire and played William Tell at 3am in the morning.
So there's me, Dan, and his GF. 90% of my **** was in storage. My gun (.22 I didn't own any of the others until atleast a year later) was in my dad's gunsafe as I didn't want that to be an item to go out. My personal belongings was a mattress, blanket, pillow, clothes in a duffel bag, and a couple of knives.
OK, so we got a couple of regulars that stop by, D, Joker, and Seth. Real tough guys, always going to jail, always beating peoples faces in. If somebody owed you something you talk to them and the next day you will see it. D took a liking to me right off and we'd always be doing things like making a homemade crossbow or building pipebombs to blow up in the desert.
So they would come over alot and hang out and drink. Sometimes in the living room, sometimes in the back room (where some of the harder **** happened), sometimes in the back yard while we caused random destruction.
They also had girlfriends. Seth's girlfriend would come over all the time and hang with Dan's gf. She would complain about how bad Seph can be cause she's a stupid ***** and wont leave him. In fact almost weekly she would bring a bunch of crap over and claim she's moving out but she wouldn't and we'd get left with more of her crap (like a fish we never took care of. How that thing survived is beyind me).
So we have Me, Dan, Seph, D, Joker, Girlfriends, random stoners all coming and going. Oh yeah did I mention some of these guys were real tough guys and we lived in a crappy neighborhood at a drug house? You stay out of peoples business in these places. Like if I keep my mouth shut my handful of belongings don't go missing.
So one night everyone was around the house partying it up. Beer all over, rock in the back, a bag full of pills in a bedroom. Seths GF was off running her mouth about all kinds of things and Seth told her repeatidly to STFU but it didn't help.
Finally after the 5th time or so he ran over and full on ***** slapped her ass. Tough guys, keep your mouth shut, remember? I was on the couch next to them and I stood up and pushed Seth over the coffee table and started yelling at him. He got back up and I thought he was gonna punch me so like a idiot I stuck my arms out gangster like and in comes a knife. I managed to slide back a little but I still got it. Everyone was silent at this point. I looked at the cut in my chest and said alright, you wanna play we'll play and I jump over the other couch and headed for my room.
Seth would have followed and would probably go for a backstabbing but D (Can bench 2 of me remember, remember?) bear hugged him and led him out of the house and far away. You see D has seen me throw my knives. Seth didn't have a throwing knife.
After that the crowd dispersed into the night. I couldn't go to the hopsital because they would ask questions and I live in a drug house (got it?)
Seth never came around again but D still would and D kept him in check. The stupid ***** kept staying with him and I got a war trophy.
Later on we all got evicted (who knew we had to pay rent), I moved away and got cleaned up.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:51:00 -
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you know... my company took our bayonets away because we kept on stabbing ourselves with them 
Still got the mark on my hand where it went through
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.06 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kyanzes
I certainly couldn't have done anything for the guy. Maybe standing in the way to make sure nobody hits him but that's all. I'm no doctor, how the heck would I know how to help?
The guy who hit him certainly made a serious mistake by crossing that double line, unless the traffic rules are significantly different in the US. Deserves punishment, obviously. Escaping the scene is also hardly understandable, except of course if he's a wanted criminal already.
Actually I took a CPR class a while back, the proper way to do it is...
1)Make sure the area is secure and move the person BUT DONT MOVE HIM IF HE HAS BEEN HIT.
2)Ask if hes ok, if he doesnt comply take his pulse and ask for somebody to call an ambulance.
3)If he has a pulse stay near him, if not ask for somebody to grab a crash card and perform CPR(30 pushes 2 deep breaths and check pulse repeat).
4)If you receive a crash card check for any marks that show his heart had been worked on, if so DONT USE IT...If not proceed.
5)Repeat as long as possible until an ambulance arrives.
I cant believe people like this just stand there and watch, and the person in the car didnt even stop.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.06.06 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
I find the whole "good christian" attitude - omg, someone's in trouble, good guy to the rescue - archaic and downright ******* dumb.
old guy hit by car, flung into the air.
left to lie in the street, in the traffic.
people just stand there, watching...
**** christianity or archaic altruism (wtf archaic altruism? YOU made me say such bull****) its not much of a hassle to try to help that guy, as good as you can.
and if you dont know how to first aid, there surely will be somethign better to do than just stand and watch 
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.06 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
I enjoy laughing at hobos and cripples (as in attempting to genuinely pretend I find them funny), why the hell would I help a wounded guy just so I end up getting sued for not being a doctor? That German law about having to help basically allows you to kill someone with the slightest sign of a medical problem under the pretence of helping them.
inb4 internet tough guy, but still, I find the whole "good christian" attitude - omg, someone's in trouble, good guy to the rescue - archaic and downright ******* dumb. Times two for the idiots who argue in favour of it on my intarwebz while still being apathetic sheep in RL. I'm asocial, and I treat others the way I expect they'd treat me given the same position. Anything above that is a waste of effort.
If I was in a situation like this I would help the man, whether hes a stranger or not hes still a human being.
If you were in this situation wouldnt you want somebody to help you? The answer is yes,and I would like help in this situation aswell so I will do exactly what I would want to happen to myself.
And no im no internet tough guy, and yes I volunteer and yes if I were in this situation I would rush to check his pulse and do what I said above.
Is it because im a christian? No its because I have a conscious.
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