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Noemie	Posted - 2004.05.09 02:58:00 - [1] I was wondering what is the legality for Gate camping? What is legal and not. Kinda get awkward ready the forum if not legal and someone gate camp you can you petition him? -------
Angry Dan	Posted - 2004.05.09 03:12:00 - [2] It's legal. But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament. It only becomes an exploit if they blast your posterior away in 1.0 space, and your not in a corp war. Oh, and they get away with something left of a ship. Oh and petitions won't get your stuff back. ++++++++++++++++++++ CEO of the Space Munchkins. Fear my kneepads of allure! Huzzah Federation Foreign Minister - Ask about our tasty NAP's - Now in protein delicacy and cow flavour!
Alastra	Posted - 2004.05.09 03:16:00 - [3] The best way to kill the gate campers is to set a blockade at the other side of the gate. Nuponi Nimedaz: "You're a pilot after my own heart, Alastra."
McFly	Posted - 2004.05.09 03:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Angry Dan It's legal. But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament. It only becomes an exploit if they blast your posterior away in 1.0 space, and your not in a corp war. Oh, and they get away with something left of a ship. Oh and petitions won't get your stuff back. Afaik, it's legal to attack in 1.0, you just can get away without losing your ship
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.05.09 05:07:00 - [5] Quote: But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament. Excellent analogy Dan. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.09 06:28:00 - [6] wats wrong with spawn camping in UT???
Blackout	Posted - 2004.05.09 06:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Negotiator wats wrong with spawn camping in UT??? wats wrong with spawn camping in EVE??? -Perfer at obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim.
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.05.09 08:19:00 - [8] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 09/05/2004 10:22:16 gate camping for a pirate in eve is the same as npc farming. We do it purly for isk. For us its just a wee bit less boring then npc hunting. Gate camping is the only way of income for us. And as you may understand we loos 100'ed times more ships then the average miner/npc farmer. And we do not have other incomes then pvp. So one way or the other we need to kill some of you for isk. Thats why we gate camp. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
hellwarrior	Posted - 2004.05.09 09:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Negotiator wats wrong with spawn camping in UT??? nothing, u just get owned like a n00b.
hellwarrior	Posted - 2004.05.09 09:19:00 - [10] Originally by: S3VYN Quote: But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament. Excellent analogy Dan. s3vyn was my old UT clan leader -.-; then he closed the division. ****ER! btw i played like 2 hours ago es-fwee in a long time and got accused =[
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.05.09 12:22:00 - [11] Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
Bexxly	Posted - 2004.05.09 12:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual... omg don't even joke about things like that You never know what mood CCP is in when they read this forum.
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.05.09 13:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual... Yea Shamis dont say things like that. Before you know it everyone will be sayin "look what that PvPer said so that must be what they want as well". Stupidity in this game is already rampant dont fuel their fire ( I wanted to say dont fuel the flame but then I know someone will take that out of context cos the word "flame" is in it) Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Kinjirra	Posted - 2004.05.09 15:22:00 - [14] Being Fairly new to the game and having suffered the Gate Camp I had an Idea. As it stands now as a Newbi I really cant see that much of a Difference Between 0.0 space and 0.4-0.1 space in regards to PvP. Maybe a Small change would work to make most ppl happy. 1.0-0.5 space rules stay the same, .4-.1 space rules stay the same except for say within 30km of the gate then Sentry Guns fire on anyone commiting an Aggresive Act(to protect the gate from possible Damage) attacking folks in the belts or anywhere besides with that distace to the gate would be legal. 0.0 space would stay the same. This way Newbi's like me dont have that sudden shock of getting pirated right when they come through a gate and the Pirates that cant handle 0.0 space can still attack miners in the belts or wherever they find them. Course I wouldnt mind getting extorted or having some roleplaying going on but just blowing ppl up just cuze is weak. Like I said this is from a Newbi's point of view and its a real turn-off as a New player to get ganked as you come through a gate.
McWatt	Posted - 2004.05.09 17:50:00 - [15] Originally by: S3VYN Quote: But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament. Excellent analogy Dan. traffic in eve is from gate to gate. some ppl don t understand this. this makes it somehow different from other games in which you ve got to "walk" the way between spawn points. some ppl don t understand this. combat in eve is gate"camping". yes, you know already, some ppl don t understand this.
Trishy Electra	Posted - 2004.05.09 18:10:00 - [16] i think gate caming and tanking the guns is legal otherwise CCp would allready made sure it wouldnt be possible anymore. we gatecamp and tank the guns loads but thats only in 0.3 space and lower. anywhere higher than 0.3 isnt right. unsecire space isnt called unsecure space for fun you know. too bad if you're at the wrong time at the wrong spot
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.05.09 18:46:00 - [17] I believe I just posted about this just under 10 minutes ago, but what the hell. 1) Tanking the sentries is not considered an exploit. 2) Sitting outside the sentries range is. 3) losing a ship in 1.0 system killing some1 is not an exploit. 4) Killing someone and getting away is. -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Darrin Tobruk	Posted - 2004.05.09 19:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Kinjirra Being Fairly new to the game and having suffered the Gate Camp I had an Idea. As it stands now as a Newbi I really cant see that much of a Difference Between 0.0 space and 0.4-0.1 space in regards to PvP. Maybe a Small change would work to make most ppl happy. 1.0-0.5 space rules stay the same, .4-.1 space rules stay the same except for say within 30km of the gate then Sentry Guns fire on anyone commiting an Aggresive Act(to protect the gate from possible Damage) attacking folks in the belts or anywhere besides with that distace to the gate would be legal. 0.0 space would stay the same. This way Newbi's like me dont have that sudden shock of getting pirated right when they come through a gate and the Pirates that cant handle 0.0 space can still attack miners in the belts or wherever they find them. Course I wouldnt mind getting extorted or having some roleplaying going on but just blowing ppl up just cuze is weak. Like I said this is from a Newbi's point of view and its a real turn-off as a New player to get ganked as you come through a gate. Actually, a few patches ago, sentry range was 60km and pirates camped choke point systems at will. I've always disliked the change to 150km because I kind of liked the hint of danger when jumping into an 0.4 and lower system. _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low.
Blooded Heromy	Posted - 2004.05.09 19:36:00 - [19] Quote: Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual... At last i found my cookies, they were hidden in Shamis Orzoz head, on the same place the brain USED to be.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.05.09 21:41:00 - [20] gatecamping isnt illegal, but killing people at those gates or anywhere else in empire space is. The only place it is legal to kill people is non empire space where concord and empire states do not follow peoples movements too closely.
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.05.09 23:02:00 - [21] I think its moot, since gates will be phased out with the introduction of jump drives... ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
Bigfoot Hunter	Posted - 2004.05.10 03:44:00 - [22] Originally by: Kinjirra Being Fairly new to the game and having suffered the Gate Camp I had an Idea. As it stands now as a Newbi I really cant see that much of a Difference Between 0.0 space and 0.4-0.1 space in regards to PvP. Maybe a Small change would work to make most ppl happy. 1.0-0.5 space rules stay the same, .4-.1 space rules stay the same except for say within 30km of the gate then Sentry Guns fire on anyone commiting an Aggresive Act(to protect the gate from possible Damage) attacking folks in the belts or anywhere besides with that distace to the gate would be legal. 0.0 space would stay the same. This way Newbi's like me dont have that sudden shock of getting pirated right when they come through a gate and the Pirates that cant handle 0.0 space can still attack miners in the belts or wherever they find them. Course I wouldnt mind getting extorted or having some roleplaying going on but just blowing ppl up just cuze is weak. Like I said this is from a Newbi's point of view and its a real turn-off as a New player to get ganked as you come through a gate. The sentries do protect you if i rember correct but they either dampen the guns or tank them secondly first time you go into .4 or lower unless they changed this a warning pops up that you have to close you go into there after seeing that warning and without checking the map its nobodys fault but your own. -------------------------------------- Fortis cadere, cedere non potest
Angry Dan	Posted - 2004.05.10 04:14:00 - [23] Originally by: McWatt Originally by: S3VYN Quote: But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament. Excellent analogy Dan. traffic in eve is from gate to gate. some ppl don t understand this. this makes it somehow different from other games in which you ve got to "walk" the way between spawn points. some ppl don t understand this. combat in eve is gate"camping". yes, you know already, some ppl don t understand this. Wow, all those videos of I've downloaded of fights around stations, planets, roid fields and stars must have been really important, as I've seen just as many of them as I've seen camping. They must have been so important, everyone turned frapps on and recorded the, like 2 different ones. And then photoshopped the vids. There is a differnece between a war blockade, a toll and a gank fest. One is slaughter for slaughters sake. The others have a purpose. IE denying access/exit to a area for an enemy. I dislike the gank fests by people. Maybe they should go see a doctor about that case of testosterone poisoning they have, it might prove fatal. On the other hand, pker tolls, fairy snuff. Can deal. If thats how want to play, fine, I'll happily pay. Do you prefer ISK or personally delivered inferno torpedoes? ++++++++++++++++++++ CEO of the Space Munchkins. Fear my kneepads of allure! Huzzah Federation Foreign Minister - Ask about our tasty NAP's - Now in protein delicacy and cow flavour!
Poetry	Posted - 2004.05.10 15:24:00 - [24] Since Camping .4 spots outside of the sentry range with BS and heavy weapons is so common now (4 gates this past weekend all adjacent to 1-2 .5 systems) so mostly it's n00bs running jhabs for agents as their targets. They keep out of the lanes that lead to 0.0 and corp space and thereby never arouse the ire of any of the major players. So it seems not to be an exploit since none of the dozens of folks doing that this weekend were given warnings or anything and many did it throughout the weekend. Therefore it must be legal.
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2004.05.10 17:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual... I fully agree, CCP needs to take action and needs to do it now, when even the pvpers think the system is borked something needs to be done. Naw im joking ______________________ Pod from above.
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.05.10 17:23:00 - [26] gank gank gank gank breathes in gank gank gank gank gank and yeah its legal, it's also fun but not every ngiht for several hours. Like fishing it depends on location location location too This is not a hijack
Koda	Posted - 2004.05.10 17:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz All PvP in eve should be consensual... Jash, is that you? -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Mah Kraah	Posted - 2004.05.10 18:55:00 - [28] if u kill someone near a police man he will take care and do whats needed to force u to respect the dont kill rule. if the police face the situation that they are not strong enough to force the rules they do use guns, if the criminals use flakvests the police use biggerguns... the empire do not allow to do agressive acts at the gates, thats why they place sentrys there. now they face the situation that those sentrys are not strong enough to force that rule and therefor they need to get stronger ones. i dont say bann gatecamper, attacking war oponents is allowed annyway, but it is a joke that someone in a battleship can sit at a gate and shoot ppl at will , right in the range of the sentrys but dont need to care the sentrys coz thy cant harm him. if someone break the rules under the eye of the police he must suffer the consequences. someone attack in range of the sentrys he MUST loose his ship, within secondes. when it is right that experianced players in battleships should be stronger than sentrygauns than just remove them(the guns) and everyone can deal with it. same counts for belt agression. if someone in a fast ship attack someone in a secure systems belt he can just run and if he do it well concord police ships have no chance to catch him ( mwd nav 5 ab ....)if concord is to slow or to weak it need to get better. atm it is just unfair that the rules are forced against the new players but the longer playing ppl can spit on it. if a rule say : "u shoot on someone -> u loose ur ship"than this must count for everyone and not only for new players example a group of new miners in a secure belt, a player warp in and shoot one of them to take his loot , he can just take it and warp out if he is fast enough or his friend can take the loot and noone of the other young miners are allowed to do anything to protect there friend or to keep the picker away from the loot. concord will kill them imediatly. this is just wrong and not logic as it is, now concord do PROTECT piracy in secure space instead of fighting it. at the moment someone start agressivity in forbidden places everyone around must be allowed to fight him with out get destroyed by concord. a solution will may be a fast and drastic sec status penalty for the attacker , as drastic as needed to allow EVERYONE to shoot at him. this penalty can be removed 15 min later and only the normal security penalty stay as we all know it from the gane now. picking loot from a shot ship in the first 30 minutes can be rated as a crime too, if it was not a ship from ur corp or gang. this will remove the most exploits from this security system and make it more logic. so no new rules or dramatic changes to game mechanics just tweak them to work again as they should. piracy is apart of the game and should be, agressivity too, i dont whant to stop ppl who whant to go that way. game should stay interesting for every one
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.05.10 22:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Blooded Heromy Quote: Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual... At last i found my cookies, they were hidden in Shamis Orzoz head, on the same place the brain USED to be. Hehe, I was kidding...that's just some of the lame arguments I hear when I kill people.
McWatt	Posted - 2004.05.11 09:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Angry Dan Wow, all those videos of I've downloaded of fights around stations, planets, roid fields and stars must have been really important, as I've seen just as many of them as I've seen camping. of course it s the other way round. lot s of taped fights are arranged, so basically they could happen anywhere. actually it s suprising that even among them about 50% seem to happen at gates, isn t it? again: travelling in eve happens from gate to gate. there is no in between to catch someone. simple.

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