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Noemie
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Posted - 2004.05.09 02:58:00 -
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I was wondering what is the legality for Gate camping?
What is legal and not.
Kinda get awkward ready the forum
if not legal and someone gate camp you can you petition him?
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.05.09 03:12:00 -
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It's legal.
But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament.
It only becomes an exploit if they blast your posterior away in 1.0 space, and your not in a corp war. Oh, and they get away with something left of a ship.
Oh and petitions won't get your stuff back.
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Alastra
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Posted - 2004.05.09 03:16:00 -
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The best way to kill the gate campers is to set a blockade at the other side of the gate.
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.05.09 03:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Angry Dan
It's legal.
But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament.
It only becomes an exploit if they blast your posterior away in 1.0 space, and your not in a corp war. Oh, and they get away with something left of a ship.
Oh and petitions won't get your stuff back.
Afaik, it's legal to attack in 1.0, you just can get away without losing your ship
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.05.09 05:07:00 -
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Quote:
But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament.
Excellent analogy Dan. 
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.09 06:28:00 -
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wats wrong with spawn camping in UT???
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Blackout
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Posted - 2004.05.09 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Negotiator
wats wrong with spawn camping in UT???
wats wrong with spawn camping in EVE??? 
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.05.09 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 09/05/2004 10:22:16
gate camping for a pirate in eve is the same as npc farming. We do it purly for isk. For us its just a wee bit less boring then npc hunting.
Gate camping is the only way of income for us. And as you may understand we loos 100'ed times more ships then the average miner/npc farmer. And we do not have other incomes then pvp. So one way or the other we need to kill some of you for isk.
Thats why we gate camp.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.05.09 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Negotiator
wats wrong with spawn camping in UT???
nothing, u just get owned like a n00b.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.05.09 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: S3VYN
Quote:
But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament.
Excellent analogy Dan.
s3vyn was my old UT clan leader -.-; then he closed the division. ****ER!
btw i played like 2 hours ago es-fwee in a long time and got accused =[
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.05.09 12:22:00 -
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Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
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Bexxly
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Posted - 2004.05.09 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
omg don't even joke about things like that 
You never know what mood CCP is in when they read this forum.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2004.05.09 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
Yea Shamis dont say things like that. Before you know it everyone will be sayin "look what that PvPer said so that must be what they want as well".
Stupidity in this game is already rampant dont fuel their fire ( I wanted to say dont fuel the flame but then I know someone will take that out of context cos the word "flame" is in it)
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Kinjirra
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Posted - 2004.05.09 15:22:00 -
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Being Fairly new to the game and having suffered the Gate Camp I had an Idea. As it stands now as a Newbi I really cant see that much of a Difference Between 0.0 space and 0.4-0.1 space in regards to PvP.
Maybe a Small change would work to make most ppl happy. 1.0-0.5 space rules stay the same, .4-.1 space rules stay the same except for say within 30km of the gate then Sentry Guns fire on anyone commiting an Aggresive Act(to protect the gate from possible Damage) attacking folks in the belts or anywhere besides with that distace to the gate would be legal. 0.0 space would stay the same. This way Newbi's like me dont have that sudden shock of getting pirated right when they come through a gate and the Pirates that cant handle 0.0 space can still attack miners in the belts or wherever they find them. Course I wouldnt mind getting extorted or having some roleplaying going on but just blowing ppl up just cuze is weak.
Like I said this is from a Newbi's point of view and its a real turn-off as a New player to get ganked as you come through a gate.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.09 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: S3VYN
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But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament.
Excellent analogy Dan.
traffic in eve is from gate to gate.
some ppl don t understand this.
this makes it somehow different from other games in which you ve got to "walk" the way between spawn points.
some ppl don t understand this.
combat in eve is gate"camping".
yes, you know already, some ppl don t understand this.
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Trishy Electra
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Posted - 2004.05.09 18:10:00 -
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i think gate caming and tanking the guns is legal otherwise CCp would allready made sure it wouldnt be possible anymore.
we gatecamp and tank the guns loads but thats only in 0.3 space and lower. anywhere higher than 0.3 isnt right.
unsecire space isnt called unsecure space for fun you know.
too bad if you're at the wrong time at the wrong spot
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2004.05.09 18:46:00 -
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I believe I just posted about this just under 10 minutes ago, but what the hell.
1) Tanking the sentries is not considered an exploit.
2) Sitting outside the sentries range is.
3) losing a ship in 1.0 system killing some1 is not an exploit.
4) Killing someone and getting away is.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.05.09 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kinjirra
Being Fairly new to the game and having suffered the Gate Camp I had an Idea. As it stands now as a Newbi I really cant see that much of a Difference Between 0.0 space and 0.4-0.1 space in regards to PvP.
Maybe a Small change would work to make most ppl happy. 1.0-0.5 space rules stay the same, .4-.1 space rules stay the same except for say within 30km of the gate then Sentry Guns fire on anyone commiting an Aggresive Act(to protect the gate from possible Damage) attacking folks in the belts or anywhere besides with that distace to the gate would be legal. 0.0 space would stay the same. This way Newbi's like me dont have that sudden shock of getting pirated right when they come through a gate and the Pirates that cant handle 0.0 space can still attack miners in the belts or wherever they find them. Course I wouldnt mind getting extorted or having some roleplaying going on but just blowing ppl up just cuze is weak.
Like I said this is from a Newbi's point of view and its a real turn-off as a New player to get ganked as you come through a gate.
Actually, a few patches ago, sentry range was 60km and pirates camped choke point systems at will. I've always disliked the change to 150km because I kind of liked the hint of danger when jumping into an 0.4 and lower system.
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Blooded Heromy
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Posted - 2004.05.09 19:36:00 -
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Quote:
Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
At last i found my cookies, they were hidden in Shamis Orzoz head, on the same place the brain USED to be.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.05.09 21:41:00 -
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gatecamping isnt illegal, but killing people at those gates or anywhere else in empire space is. The only place it is legal to kill people is non empire space where concord and empire states do not follow peoples movements too closely.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.05.09 23:02:00 -
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I think its moot, since gates will be phased out with the introduction of jump drives...
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Bigfoot Hunter
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Posted - 2004.05.10 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kinjirra
Being Fairly new to the game and having suffered the Gate Camp I had an Idea. As it stands now as a Newbi I really cant see that much of a Difference Between 0.0 space and 0.4-0.1 space in regards to PvP.
Maybe a Small change would work to make most ppl happy. 1.0-0.5 space rules stay the same, .4-.1 space rules stay the same except for say within 30km of the gate then Sentry Guns fire on anyone commiting an Aggresive Act(to protect the gate from possible Damage) attacking folks in the belts or anywhere besides with that distace to the gate would be legal. 0.0 space would stay the same. This way Newbi's like me dont have that sudden shock of getting pirated right when they come through a gate and the Pirates that cant handle 0.0 space can still attack miners in the belts or wherever they find them. Course I wouldnt mind getting extorted or having some roleplaying going on but just blowing ppl up just cuze is weak.
Like I said this is from a Newbi's point of view and its a real turn-off as a New player to get ganked as you come through a gate.
The sentries do protect you if i rember correct but they either dampen the guns or tank them secondly first time you go into .4 or lower unless they changed this a warning pops up that you have to close you go into there after seeing that warning and without checking the map its nobodys fault but your own.
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.05.10 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: McWatt
Originally by: S3VYN
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But it's about as cool as spawn camping in Unreal Tournament.
Excellent analogy Dan.
traffic in eve is from gate to gate.
some ppl don t understand this.
this makes it somehow different from other games in which you ve got to "walk" the way between spawn points.
some ppl don t understand this.
combat in eve is gate"camping".
yes, you know already, some ppl don t understand this.
Wow, all those videos of I've downloaded of fights around stations, planets, roid fields and stars must have been really important, as I've seen just as many of them as I've seen camping. They must have been so important, everyone turned frapps on and recorded the, like 2 different ones. And then photoshopped the vids.
There is a differnece between a war blockade, a toll and a gank fest. One is slaughter for slaughters sake. The others have a purpose. IE denying access/exit to a area for an enemy. I dislike the gank fests by people. Maybe they should go see a doctor about that case of testosterone poisoning they have, it might prove fatal. On the other hand, pker tolls, fairy snuff. Can deal. If thats how want to play, fine, I'll happily pay. Do you prefer ISK or personally delivered inferno torpedoes?
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Poetry
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Posted - 2004.05.10 15:24:00 -
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Since Camping .4 spots outside of the sentry range with BS and heavy weapons is so common now (4 gates this past weekend all adjacent to 1-2 .5 systems) so mostly it's n00bs running jhabs for agents as their targets.
They keep out of the lanes that lead to 0.0 and corp space and thereby never arouse the ire of any of the major players.
So it seems not to be an exploit since none of the dozens of folks doing that this weekend were given warnings or anything and many did it throughout the weekend. Therefore it must be legal.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2004.05.10 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
I fully agree, CCP needs to take action and needs to do it now, when even the pvpers think the system is borked something needs to be done.
Naw im joking
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.05.10 17:23:00 -
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gank gank gank gank
*breathes in*
gank gank gank gank gank
and yeah its legal, it's also fun but not every ngiht for several hours.
Like fishing it depends on location location location too
This is not a hijack
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.05.10 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
All PvP in eve should be consensual...
Jash, is that you?
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Mah Kraah
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Posted - 2004.05.10 18:55:00 -
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if u kill someone near a police man he will take care and do whats needed to force u to respect the dont kill rule.
if the police face the situation that they are not strong enough to force the rules they do use guns, if the criminals use flakvests the police use biggerguns...
the empire do not allow to do agressive acts at the gates, thats why they place sentrys there. now they face the situation that those sentrys are not strong enough to force that rule and therefor they need to get stronger ones.
i dont say bann gatecamper, attacking war oponents is allowed annyway, but it is a joke that someone in a battleship can sit at a gate and shoot ppl at will , right in the range of the sentrys but dont need to care the sentrys coz thy cant harm him. if someone break the rules under the eye of the police he must suffer the consequences. someone attack in range of the sentrys he MUST loose his ship, within secondes. when it is right that experianced players in battleships should be stronger than sentrygauns than just remove them(the guns) and everyone can deal with it.
same counts for belt agression. if someone in a fast ship attack someone in a secure systems belt he can just run and if he do it well concord police ships have no chance to catch him ( mwd nav 5 ab ....)if concord is to slow or to weak it need to get better.
atm it is just unfair that the rules are forced against the new players but the longer playing ppl can spit on it. if a rule say : "u shoot on someone -> u loose ur ship"than this must count for everyone and not only for new players
example a group of new miners in a secure belt, a player warp in and shoot one of them to take his loot , he can just take it and warp out if he is fast enough or his friend can take the loot and noone of the other young miners are allowed to do anything to protect there friend or to keep the picker away from the loot. concord will kill them imediatly. this is just wrong and not logic as it is, now concord do PROTECT piracy in secure space instead of fighting it.
at the moment someone start agressivity in forbidden places everyone around must be allowed to fight him with out get destroyed by concord.
a solution will may be a fast and drastic sec status penalty for the attacker , as drastic as needed to allow EVERYONE to shoot at him. this penalty can be removed 15 min later and only the normal security penalty stay as we all know it from the gane now. picking loot from a shot ship in the first 30 minutes can be rated as a crime too, if it was not a ship from ur corp or gang. this will remove the most exploits from this security system and make it more logic.
so no new rules or dramatic changes to game mechanics just tweak them to work again as they should. piracy is apart of the game and should be, agressivity too, i dont whant to stop ppl who whant to go that way. game should stay interesting for every one
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.05.10 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Blooded Heromy
Quote:
Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
At last i found my cookies, they were hidden in Shamis Orzoz head, on the same place the brain USED to be.
Hehe, I was kidding...that's just some of the lame arguments I hear when I kill people.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.11 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Dan
Wow, all those videos of I've downloaded of fights around stations, planets, roid fields and stars must have been really important, as I've seen just as many of them as I've seen camping.
of course it s the other way round. lot s of taped fights are arranged, so basically they could happen anywhere.
actually it s suprising that even among them about 50% seem to happen at gates, isn t it?
again: travelling in eve happens from gate to gate. there is no in between to catch someone. simple.
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Dantes Darkheart
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Posted - 2004.05.11 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dantes Darkheart on 11/05/2004 14:10:19
Allow me to first state that I have no problem with pirating as it adds a certain element to this game that if it wasn't there, I wouldn't be playing it. I love pvp, have done it in every game that I've played since EQ and will start in EVE with my alt to gain some experience until my main gets the needed skills. With that being said, gate camping is legal otherwise CCP would of put a stop to it BUT I find gate camping to be weak. It's as ridiculousy lame as sitting 10 feet away from a spawn point in Battlefield ripping apart people as they spawn in front of you and NOT moving in to take the flag just so you can rack up your points.
Can't you be a little more interesting and setup a trap using mobile warp disruptors????
Hell if you did that you in turn would be safer since your trap is setup at a point that those 15 BSs could not directly warp to.
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Vargrh
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Posted - 2004.05.12 12:34:00 -
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I cannot understand the mentality of people that loose ships in 0.4 and below and then claim that 'it wasnt a fair fight as you were in a cruiser/BS and I was in a frig/hauler/whatever...
The point is, this is a diverse game where people choose how their character develops, some of us are pirates and and we make a living taking people out that might have good loot on them.
If you are in 0.4 to 0.0 you are fair game, anywhere, anytime. This is a simple fact. If you dont like it, corp mine in 0.5 and above.. but dont use insecure cans.. unless you want the ore stolen or ransomed. Remember also that just as its easy to kill people at gates and in belts, its as easy for those stupid BS miners to train up their gun skills and have a defence group in their corp to protect their haulers and escort them through space as a gang. (also makes fighting for the haulers cargo more fun for us pirates)... If you plan and escort your weaker corp friends you are less likely to die at gate camps :P but ultimately you dont take a unarmoured hauler or a defenceless frigate through a combat zone or the badlands and not expect some combat! Why not be smart and instead of *****ing about how some 'tanked scorp' killed your BS and your hauler, why not get a corp mate in your corp to transfer energy to a haulers shields, so you can make it to and through the gate! Learn the right skills, plan what you are doing and you minimise loses. You dont completely negate them as there are always pirates that will outsmart you , but you cut down on chancers.
I have been impressed recently by some of the people I have killed. People that fight back against overwhelming odds and dont smack talk, and actually laugh about it afterwards in the chat. People who appreciate that being killed is part of the Eve experience. I have no issue with people that want to come fight me, hell its part of the game.
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Gahan Makdorr
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Posted - 2004.05.12 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gahan Makdorr on 12/05/2004 17:24:22
I have no problem with gate camping if u can fire back without the sentries ripping u apart.
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Bubba1977
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Posted - 2004.05.13 04:07:00 -
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I think it would be fair if newbs have their first week of eve immune from PVP. Gives them a bit of time to learn the game without worrying about getting ganked. Of course, this should be restricted so that only one character per account after it's paid for is eligble...and you can't have buddy accounts with pvp immunity.
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Bembledak Fistybuns
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Posted - 2004.05.13 13:41:00 -
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I dont agree with that Bubba. My first trip into -.5 in my tristan was met with being ganked by an Apoc at a gate. It learnt me a whole lot about the game, now im an insta-jump master and as I have my own scorp now I await the Apoc that ganked me :)
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Sgt Dakka
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Posted - 2004.05.14 12:58:00 -
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oh dear bemble... u been smokin too much cr@ck. YEAH GIVE IMMUNITY TO ALL NUBS! then they can steal EVEN more ores! hehe
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Dragonday
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Posted - 2004.05.15 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dragonday on 15/05/2004 07:26:09
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
Oh, how carebear ish, you must be an empire hugger that never leaves. you happly ploding away at some rock, happy as a loon, or chaseing down that 2K NPC rat in the field... PIRATES ARE A NEEDED GROUP!! Earth and Beyond DIED because of consensual PvP... And besides, Getten shot at makes your heart pump, makes ya feel realy alive as you fight for your ship, pod, implants... PvP is the main reason this game is so fun... And as for you Bubba, n00bies got empire to protect them from the evils of .4 and below space... that's why the start out in 1.0... GEEEEEEEEZEEEE n00bs
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Posted - 2004.05.15 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: ActiveX
I think its moot, since gates will be phased out with the introduction of jump drives...
Hopefully, if everyone has a titan
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.05.15 11:22:00 -
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Actually I hear jump drives will be available down to cruisers...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.05.15 11:54:00 -
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ohh my gooddess
some people even dont get it when shamiz is ironic
Wanna fly with me?
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Calyn
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Posted - 2004.05.15 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lianhaun
gank gank gank gank
*breathes in*
gank gank gank gank gank
and yeah its legal, it's also fun but not every ngiht for several hours.
Like fishing it depends on location location location too
You are so wrong there. Ganking is pathetic, no fun for the one it happens to, and no challenge for the ones who do it.
Fun is where each party in a fight has an equal risk to win all or lose all.
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Posted - 2004.05.15 23:44:00 -
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Ganking is fun !!
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Posted - 2004.05.16 07:59:00 -
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Fun is where each party in a fight has an equal risk to win all or lose all.
Well, might be fun but tactically it's real dumb!
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.05.16 18:20:00 -
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Gate camping is the "bad guys" equivalnet to mining. There should never be a situation where if you want raw materials and equipment you have to mine and NPC hunt. Out in 0.0 space people take heavy precautions shipping anything becuase they know that everyone in the system is a potential enemy.
Becuase of this people will typically run through 0.0 space using insta jumps (fair enough) and usually only use frigates. Most haulers will be covered with warp core stabs that make warp scrambling them bloody hard (again, fair enough).
In low sec empire space however unless there are regular pirate gate camps many people are alot less cautious and tend to carry more goods, more valuable goods, better mods, use less insta jumps etc. For the pirate this means more profit.
The downside for the pirate is that they take sec hits for doing so. While alot of people will say big deal about the sec hit, once you've dropped to the point you cant ever go back into 0.5 systems the pirate quickly finds their options become limited, especially when it comes to making isk. At -5 or lower anyone can engage them anywhere, and are more likely to once you have a bounty worth taking the risk for, add to that the usual gate camping escapades are pretty likely to make you plenty of enemies.
Gate camps are NOT nice, they arent pleasent when your on the recieving end and losing your ship is a real pain in the ass, but thats the risk you gotta accept if you want to move through low sec empire space.
Stop asking CCP to hold your hand when you have to take risks.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.05.16 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonday
Edited by: Dragonday on 15/05/2004 07:26:09
Earth and Beyond DIED because of consensual PvP...
FUNNIEST think I've read in a long time. I can't even begin to explain how wrong that statement is.
PS I think you just got owned by Shamiz.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.17 00:45:00 -
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Gate camping is absolutely illegal!
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.05.17 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Negotiator
Gate camping is absolutely illegal!
of course it is..otherwise, why would we get ss hits
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.05.17 05:07:00 -
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i admire pirate corps out there who actually strive to make a buck off the people they stop. Zombie has been camping Egghelende for days now, and have successfully deployed at least one warp scrambler field and ransomed multiple passing battleships, and made good on their promises to let them pass without harm should they pay.
gankers are murderers. pure and simple. homicidal maniacs. what's worse is that they go for the weakest possible targets and then high-five each other for doing it. that would be like npc-rat hunters getting all gung-ho over destroying rats out at "hideouts" in .9 space! how g@y is that?
gankers have zero honor, and are a waste of space. (pun intended.)
true pirates are awesome! go Zombie! *waves little flag with Zombie Corp logo on it*
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2004.05.17 06:05:00 -
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To the people saying they make money from gate camping perhaps you could explain why I was shot at in my unarmed worthless pod.
I lost the frigate out in 0.0 thru a bit of bad luck and 6 NPC Pirates in cruisers. No problems there. But as I fly back to my home sytem in safe space some muppet in his Raven toasts my pod.
If killing unarmend pods with a BS is your idea of fun then your probably about 12 years old and need to get out more.
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Drazar II
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Posted - 2004.05.17 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
LMAO this put me into tears when i read this post. when i saw this i just had too post what the back of the EVE box says:
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Posted - 2004.05.17 11:38:00 -
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Gatecamping isnt illegal, heck how could it be ?
You may not like it when your ship gets blown up by ppl who are after your hard earned goods but that's the risk you take when you go out there for the *juicy* stuff. Just have a laugh after and limit the smacktalking is the best way to handle it when it happens imo.
There have been, and will come, some changes to alter the events taking place at the gates. All off these changes have and will make it less fun for eighter the pirate or the guy passing through.
An idea would be to use some sort off gatedespurtion field. Widen the area off jump in points to make it more off a gamble for both the pirate and traveller as to where the other one will turn up.
Another nice addition would be to be able to disengage warp on your command. Once you have gone to warp there isnt much you can do untill you come out off warp and in some cases you are allready up for a whooping then. Instead as you would be able to stop the warp at you command, you could, lets say, come out off warp at around 200km from the gate.
Increase the gamble i would say. Pretty much to predictable atm.
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Isang Relow
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Posted - 2004.05.17 12:15:00 -
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*yawn*
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.05.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mrmuttley
To the people saying they make money from gate camping perhaps you could explain why I was shot at in my unarmed worthless pod.
I lost the frigate out in 0.0 thru a bit of bad luck and 6 NPC Pirates in cruisers. No problems there. But as I fly back to my home sytem in safe space some muppet in his Raven toasts my pod.
If killing unarmend pods with a BS is your idea of fun then your probably about 12 years old and need to get out more.
So what, you ran into a crowd that just shoot people down. Since when does that suddnely mean every other pirate corp that camps gates does the same, idiot.
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Posted - 2004.05.17 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
idiot.
thank you for those words of wisdom
You seem to miss the point I was merely supporting the idea from other posters that gate camping is lame. I dont buy your bull that its a way of making money at least be honest and say something like "I enjoy the power trip that killing ships that I way outclass in my Typhoon gives me"
I knew I might lose my frigate out there and I made sure my clone was up to date before I went out there. Its was nothing damaging to lose that gear and clone. I lost half a mill tops.
You see you get campers in every game where its possible Its sad IMHO but thats just mu opinion. I am not going to let people who like to kill other people for no real reason spoil what is a great game. 
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.05.17 16:56:00 -
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Gate camping is one of the few possible methods of warfare in EVE. Saying that it is lame is like saying PvP is lame, almost.
It is also the only way to defend territory. I won't ask if you think alliances are lame. I just won't.
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Posted - 2004.05.17 17:31:00 -
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Defending territory is different. I really hope your not going to tell me that people dont sit a gates killing anything they have the muscle for just for fun. Now that is lame and the posters saying its the only weay to make money that is lame.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.17 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Originally by: Negotiator
Gate camping is absolutely illegal!
of course it is..otherwise, why would we get ss hits
nice one.
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Posted - 2004.05.18 14:03:00 -
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I don't have a problem with pirates making money by gate camping. The trouble is, EVE is set up to make it difficult for HONEST (sic) pirates, which just makes the scum float to the top.
Pirates should be given a chance to lock down their target, literally immobilising it so that the "victim" is damned sure he's NOT getting away. At that point the pirate should scan the cargo hold, and send their demands for a legitimate toll, or that the ship jettison their valuable cargo (or part thereof), or be destroyed. It would be the responsibility of victims to fit out their ships accordingly to avoid being locked down, rather than the EVE system and rules doing it for them (Instajumps, cloak and the like).
If EVE was a real place, where would all the pirates be? At the gates where everyone HAS to pass at some point. If EVE was a real place, would you REALLY take your Indy through 0.0 space with 20,000 units of Bistot in the hold and NO escort?
On the flip side...the bit that's missing is a police response. Gate camping a particular system should be a short lived affair. If I and a few buddies want to camp the gate at Mara, and we do this every day for a week from 6pm to 10pm, don't you think the cops might eventually figure this out? I think they ought to, and then they have two options - ONE, set up a MAJOR task force at the gate at 5.59pm :-), or TWO, take the names of individual ships involved and gank them when they are all alone. How's that for payback?
The more I think about it, the more I REALLY like TWO.
But we should think about other punishments than simply "I'm blowing you up because you blew someone else up". A modern police force is far more sophisticated than that. How about the pirate logs on one day to discover his ship has been confiscated by Concord? Or the contents of his hangar? A simple fine would also suffice, but I must admit I LOVE the idea of the pirate being able to get all his stuff back if he pays the fine...in person, in Amarr or other 1.0 system.
In an ideal world, the punishment of pirates should be the responsibility of players. The trouble is that there is such a tremendous advantage to being the first person in position that it's practically impossible to achieve. This means that if you have an interest in PVP, it's much easier to get your jollies being a bad guy than a good guy.
To answer the original question - gate camping is illegal in EVE, but legally allowed by the GM's. The only problem with it is that the balance of reward and punishment is seriously skewed in the pirate's favour.
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Posted - 2004.05.18 14:17:00 -
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Grey Area... Read much Iain M Banks? 
If there were roving Concord / Navy / Undercover Police patrols thru areas where high numbers of ships/pods where being lost then the pirates might accidently pod someone in front of the Navy or even gank an undercover cop. Now wouldn't that be funny
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Posted - 2004.05.18 14:55:00 -
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Hell, even I think undercover patrols would be TOO harsh! We have to give the pirates a fighting chance.
I really just want it to be that they build up a load of bad karma that will eventually come round to bite them in the ass. I even think the Carebears would take being podded with a bit less whinging if occasionally a news post said "Concord today destroyed 10 priates ships at a well known blockade in Mara" or "Concord agents sequester funds of several Zombie members". Currently it just seems they "get away with it", which is the bit that really irritates.
And yes, I've been known to read a bit of IMB. What tipped you off?
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Posted - 2004.05.18 14:57:00 -
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Didn't mean to pick on Zombie. Just the first pirate corp name I thought of. Take it as a compliment
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Posted - 2004.05.18 15:29:00 -
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Gate camping should probably be considered an exploit. And ganking people in asteroid belts should also be banned...how can it be fair for somebody to blow up another ship that is only fitted with mining lasers? All PvP in eve should be consensual...
You're right...real life sucks
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