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DeckardIRL
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA
Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:21:00 -
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So I got suicide ganked in Uedama recently. Lost a bestower full of kit... was semi afk at the time and so missed the attack until I got back to my screen to see the pod...
So I have this kill right... the alt that ganked me has yet to log in in the last 3 weeks... my guess is that the alt has been dumped by his main so how can I find this out... makes a joke of the kill rights system which is poor anyway...
If the main dumps the alt why does the kill right then not move to the main... otherwise I think this is an exploit...
CCP should admit that kills rights are a total joke to the player base...
Deck
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DeckardIRL
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA
Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:21:00 -
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So I got suicide ganked in Uedama recently. Lost a bestower full of kit... was semi afk at the time and so missed the attack until I got back to my screen to see the pod...
So I have this kill right... the alt that ganked me has yet to log in in the last 3 weeks... my guess is that the alt has been dumped by his main so how can I find this out... makes a joke of the kill rights system which is poor anyway...
If the main dumps the alt why does the kill right then not move to the main... otherwise I think this is an exploit...
CCP should admit that kills rights are a total joke to the player base...
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |
Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:25:00 -
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They are, and?
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:25:00 -
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They are, and?
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Kharadran Sullath
The Fallen Gingerbread Men
Evolution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:36:00 -
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I think CCP has stated that they're not happy with the kill rights; ergo, they mean diddly squat.
I have seen many player discussions on the forums about it though.
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 Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Similarly your insurance doesn't pay out if you fill your car with Gold Bullion and park it in the middle of Trafalgar Square.
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Lia Darklotus
Hematite Rose
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:54:00 -
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I totally agree. Kill rights are total joke in this game just as bounties are a total joke. Most people usually end up with huge bounties that they end up collecting on themselves. CCP needs to work making bounties and kill rights more effective and detrimental because right now they are a worthless game mechanic.
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Zey Nadar
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:10:00 -
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Bounties and killrights could be made accountspecific instead of characterspecific for starters..
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:39:00 -
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Make killrights sellabe, and we're talking! I'd sell killrights of myself haha  
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Armoured C
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:42:00 -
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i would ransom you for 2 veldspar roids but not a roid less
and big ones
never trust any link i post =P
you have been warned |
trite boon
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:43:00 -
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well u should not of been afk with a huler full of your things
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Ask Unbeatable
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:43:00 -
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Recycling alts (ie for suicideganking) is considered an exploit
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ask Unbeatable
Recycling alts (ie for suicideganking) is considered an exploit
True, but I imagine it is a fairly safe one. Just create another account and fund it with a GTC. What can CCP do if you just close down the account?
I imagine this issue is one of the reasons the devs are looking into making some changes to how ganking works.
Oh, and kill rights are useless. Now if everyone in your corp/alliance could retaliate then they might have some value.
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Armoured C
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:57:00 -
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i belive they are veamping the currentl pirating and bounty hunting system very soon
that a soon with a tm but i dont know how to do that so 
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:05:00 -
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Kill rights would be more useful and more fun if they were transferable.
This could also make bounty hunting a real career choice.
Let's say that Uberweenie ganks Merchantman's hauler.
Merchantman hires Gunslinger and transfers the killright to Gunslinger.
Gunslinger kills Uberweenie. Both Gunslinger and Merchantman get evemails.
Merchantman pays a bonus to Gunslinger.
This could be fun.
POST WITH YOUR ALT!
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL
So I got suicide ganked in Uedama recently. Lost a bestower full of kit... was semi afk at the time and so missed the attack until I got back to my screen to see the pod...
You're supposed to pay attention to the game while you play.
Originally by: DeckardIRL
So I have this kill right... the alt that ganked me has yet to log in in the last 3 weeks... my guess is that the alt has been dumped by his main so how can I find this out... makes a joke of the kill rights system which is poor anyway...
KILL RIGHTS SHOULD FORCE THE OFFENDING PLAYER TO LOG IN !!!!1111onehundredeleven
Originally by: DeckardIRL
If the main dumps the alt why does the kill right then not move to the main... otherwise I think this is an exploit...
So if I have 3 chars on my account you want killrights on all of them ? No thanks.
Originally by: DeckardIRL
CCP should admit that kills rights are a total joke to the player base...
They already did.
Post something useful/informative/constructive next time ?
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Diarrhea Aguilera
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Price Watcher
Kill rights would be more useful and more fun if they were transferable.
This could also make bounty hunting a real career choice.
Let's say that Uberweenie ganks Merchantman's hauler.
Merchantman hires Gunslinger and transfers the killright to Gunslinger.
Gunslinger kills Uberweenie. Both Gunslinger and Merchantman get evemails.
Merchantman pays a bonus to Gunslinger.
This could be fun.
Option one: Uberweenie doesn't care as only his obviously disposable suicideganker toon gets killed - Gunslinger is happy because he made some isk and merchantman is happy because he paid even more isk for having revenge on someones disposable alt with a fully insured ship because he made him lose isk in the first place - would probably work if Merchantman is an idiot.
Option two: Merchantmans bounty and killright offer is publicly accessible - Bobby - the guy owning the Uberweenie account sees it and logs on with alt account #32, coincidentally called gunslinger113. He accepts the offer, gets into a noob ship with Uberweenie and Bobby ganks Uberweenie using gunslinger113. Merchantman pays bonus and both - Bobby and Merchantman - are happy - mainly because Merchantman is an idiot.
This could be fun ;)
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Cordia nitida
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Posted - 2008.06.09 00:54:00 -
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An idea for kill rights would be to make it that the timer on the killrights only go down when that player is actually logged into the game.
Would mean that person would have to be online for x amount of time before the kill rights are gone.
I suppose they could then log in and stayed docked up forever but its an option anyway. |
DeckardIRL
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA
Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xparky
You're supposed to pay attention to the game while you play.
Originally by: Xparky
Post something useful/informative/constructive next time ?
Please Do... 
Originally by: Xparky
KILL RIGHTS SHOULD FORCE THE OFFENDING PLAYER TO LOG IN !!!!1111onehundredeleven
Originally by: Xparky
Post something useful/informative/constructive next time ?
Yeah you are a mine of useful information...
Originally by: Xparky
They already did.
Originally by: Xparky
Post something useful/informative/constructive next time ?
So I missed that... better you let me know what they said rather than the ****e you posted instead...
Thanks
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |
Pak Narhoo
Pacific Starfleet Command
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
that a soon with a tm but i dont know how to do that so
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Originally by: Mr Cleann
When I mine. I like to mine in peace. Not in pieces.
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Zaknussem
The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cordia nitida
An idea for kill rights would be to make it that the timer on the killrights only go down when that player is actually logged into the game.
Would mean that person would have to be online for x amount of time before the kill rights are gone.
I suppose they could then log in and stayed docked up forever but its an option anyway.
Best idea of the thread so far. I'm not saying that it's the Ultimate Solution, but it's the best idea yet. |
Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:25:00 -
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To see if the alt has been recycled, pull up his char info. If the window is garbled and makes little sense, or cannot be found, then the char is gone.
If it still exists, the char might have been recreated with the same name to avoid detection of alt-recycling, check the birth date against your killrights.
If they used a trial account (the most likely scenario), well you are proper boned, it'll be a warm day in Iceland before CCP will hear you.
Killrights work ok when people aren't metagaming. So yeah, they're utterly broken.
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Did I upset the wrong alliance with this post? Please don't ban me when it's your shift to control the Mitnal account.
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Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Matrixcvd on 09/06/2008 13:53:03
Originally by: Xparky
Originally by: DeckardIRL
If the main dumps the alt why does the kill right then not move to the main... otherwise I think this is an exploit...
So if I have 3 chars on my account you want killrights on all of them ? No thanks.
No your wrong. You did it, doesn't matter if you are gaming with anyone of your characters, you chose to kill another pilot and should have an open represial on all of your chars. Regardless of their names, they are still you. You shouldnt be able to hide behind alts and accounts and do whatever you feel like. The carebear actually has a point for once
 1. Kill rights should track to the account and be applied to all accounts/alts, for a period of time like a miny war dec, so he or his gang could track down anyone of your alts and kill them, so YOU BETTER PAY ATTENTION WHILE IN SPACE, omg imagine that, unconsented PVP, GENIUS!.
2. Kill rights should be a commodity to sell/trade etc
3. Bounties can only be claimed via contract with a chosen character (lets say a reputable mercenary or bounty hunter), an alt on the same account can not receive the bounty of a main regardless of which account its on, and corp/alliance mates are also not allowed to recover bounties. A new tab will be added in stations, which track stats of bounty hunters and their prize to keep a record of who killed who and what the bounty was etc, so that a pilot can make a good discision on who should exercise his bounty/killrights.
4. (for completeness and a blatant theft from this thread because i love the idea so much and copying is the most sincerest form of flattery  ) Killright timer representing active log in time outside station to actually have the oppertunity for the kill. ( i suspect this is a bit harder and may not be necessary) the simple fact that people can do this with alts while their mains are reaping the reward, probably missioning with all the goodies is whats the problem.
oh by the way xPatty, if your so bad at this game that your worried about a little reprisal chances are your running a little to low in the shorts
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