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brainiac 13	Posted - 2004.05.09 23:47:00 - [1] Edited by: brainiac 13 on 10/05/2004 00:14:28 My apologies to Big. Last time I read events thread was something about stain and joves Hope you understand my concern.
TheFatman	Posted - 2004.05.09 23:57:00 - [2] If BIG is collecting isk, or makes any profit off this at all, it is blatant favoritism, and inherently wrong.
Falbala	Posted - 2004.05.10 00:00:00 - [3] BIG is well know for the lotteries they organize, and they have a solid reputation of being fair. The critics are more on the way the ship is given than on the honesty of BIG.
Preoccuppas	Posted - 2004.05.10 00:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Oveur (Crosspost from General Discussion)After gathering all the information from TornSoul and the person responsible inhouse (he's in Africa), I am allowing this to procede, according to our new policies regarding increased player participation in prime fiction and full support for player events. The intention behind this is to show support to an player event thas has been held regularly for almost a year now and to show the community that we will further support player events in the future. However, due to the questions raised here regarding favoritism and so everyone have a fair chance, I'm taking the following measures: A) No BIG member is allowed to participate in the lottery. B) BIG does not profit from this in any way. I will audit them myself to ensure this C) There is a maximum limit of 1000 tickets pr. character (each @1000 ISK = 1M ISK) D) We'll be giving an Imperial Apocalypse, not the Bougnisarin Megathron. The Mega was slated for another deployment. E) If I see that ship on eBay, I'll trash it faster than you can say PayPal. Now, that being said, you should get a ticket, you might get lucky Source: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=78765 I hope this answers all your questions and any misunderstandings. Have fun in eve!
Swift	Posted - 2004.05.10 00:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Swift on 10/05/2004 00:08:12 Oveur (dev) stated this in events forum in the new BIG newsletter thread: However, due to the questions raised here regarding favoritism and so everyone have a fair chance, I'm taking the following measures: A) No BIG member is allowed to participate in the lottery. B) BIG does not profit from this in any way. I will audit them myself to ensure this C) There is a maximum limit of 1000 tickets pr. character (each @1000 ISK = 1M ISK) D) We'll be giving an Imperial Apocalypse, not the Bougnisarin Megathron. The Mega was slated for another deployment. E) If I see that ship on eBay, I'll trash it faster than you can say PayPal. Looks like that specific lottery may be different - likely no profit or something simply because of the ship. ----- --- 'The truth about low sec space is that it reveals humanity - the 'essence' of all the races, in its purest form. A place where Concord no longer polices or protects, 'human nature' thrives in all its distilled destructive self-serving glory. Welcome to hell ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what it really is to be human.' -Swiftare 'Swift' Sarum.
Pulgor	Posted - 2004.05.10 00:06:00 - [6] Because of the 50M isk guarnatee, BIG never makes any money on these lottories. ----------------------------------- Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
Tion	Posted - 2004.05.10 00:06:00 - [7] Even though it says that, we don't ever take the 10%. TornSoul(CEO) does it for fun. If you had paid attion, the DEV said right in the post that CCP was making sure the BIG made no ISK off this. Plz enjoy the event. TornSoul works VERY hard on the lotto, and it's good for the econmy. Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.05.10 00:10:00 - [8] Edited by: corporal hicks on 10/05/2004 00:17:39 Read the events section first mate before posting stuff. I will myself be buying some tickets for this, would have prefared Megathron but seems Apoc will have to do. " Stay Frosty "
Nervar	Posted - 2004.05.10 00:32:00 - [9] mm so let mee c if i get this straight: CCP gives big (named)ships to give away with lotteries/events.. Isnt that cool?? Who cares if they get 10% aslong as the game gets some more flavor and content.. Great way to keep a steady income off uniqe ships into eve i say. So BIGGIE up for The Big Big -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Sammyantha	Posted - 2004.05.10 03:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Nervar mm so let mee c if i get this straight: CCP gives big (named)ships to give away with lotteries/events.. Isnt that cool?? Who cares if they get 10% aslong as the game gets some more flavor and content.. Great way to keep a steady income off uniqe ships into eve i say. So BIGGIE up for The Big Big try reading all the posts in the thread before posting as it has been pointed out that Big will not profit from this in ISK . EVE GUARDIAN - I am a Pirate Alliance - pleased to meet you. "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse *****(prostitute). We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for new vocabulary."
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.10 13:18:00 - [11] Edited by: TornSoul on 10/05/2004 13:22:31 Originally by: Oveur A) No BIG member is allowed to participate in the lottery. B) BIG does not profit from this in any way. I will audit them myself to ensure this Just to set the record straight (once more..) a) No BIGun has ever been allowed to take part in the BIG Lottery It's in the BIG Lottery rules (whether Oveur knew this already or not I dont know - But it seems it bears repeating) b) We have 'reserved the right' to take a 10% administration fee - But we have never actually done this, regardless that we have been loosing money on the BIG Lottery (Honoring the 50M ISK guarantee) This time will be no different, except from the fact that we are now explicitly forbidden to do what we have never none. For even more info regarding the (27th) 1 year anniversary round of the BIG Lottery - Please check the Events forum for a Special Edition BIG Games Newsletter, that will be posted after tonights drawing. @Morkt - Ty. BIG Lottery [u
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.11 17:03:00 - [12] Is the limit still 1M isk for purchasing tickets? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.05.11 17:10:00 - [13] I would like to sign up for this... 1m is a fair amount and BIG has never once been about their own well being over the eve community. Good Going BIG and keep up the good work! -----
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2004.05.11 17:17:00 - [14] Please correct me if I am wrong, but any proceeds from the BIG lottery that would be deemed as "profit" would go to their alliance's wallet to procure sentry guns and deployable stations. Least thats what the discussion was on their forums. If this has changed, my apologies. ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.05.11 17:44:00 - [15] CCP is FINALLY interacting with the real corporations. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not spoil it with cries of "favoritism". Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.05.11 17:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Aerick Dawn Please correct me if I am wrong, but any proceeds from the BIG lottery that would be deemed as "profit" would go to their alliance's wallet to procure sentry guns and deployable stations. Least thats what the discussion was on their forums. If this has changed, my apologies. CCP will monitor this Lottery as Oveur has stated I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Heritor	Posted - 2004.05.11 18:05:00 - [17] ok.....where do i get my tickets from
Preoccuppas	Posted - 2004.05.11 18:23:00 - [18] How to participate with the lottery(Renember the rules a bit different this time then stated on this site!) Topic about this event and some extra details Enjoy :D
Argon	Posted - 2004.05.11 19:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Morkt Drak Anybody and everybody who thinks this is some form of abuse of favouritism needs good kick up the backside and being forced to only have the "La maison" channel in game for at least a month. The La Maison bit doesnt sound anything like a punishment to me..... More like a reward, actually.....
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.11 22:46:00 - [20] Edited by: TornSoul on 11/05/2004 22:47:09 Maybe beeing forced to type all of 'BIG Games' wallet entries into an out of game DB would serve as enough punishment - oh wait... /me bounches around in the padded cell BIG Lottery [u

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