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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 10/06/2008 20:26:10
black rise region needs a lot of goods
ammo and cruisers will be needed near the warfare zones
the first secret id like to share is that you should check the price of your minerals
faction cruisers are different too
Trashed sig, Shark was here |
matoni
Open Season
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Posted - 2008.06.10 22:21:00 -
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Hello Captain Obvious
You just love starting threads, don't you?
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.06.10 22:35:00 -
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Don't bag on him too much. Granted the OP is useless but the thread itself might inspire discussion about EA.
As I see it, the market initially isn't going to react much, as people aren't instantly going to be buying new ships and gear. They're going to head out, get blown up, exhaust whatever they have stockpiled, and only then start buying.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.06.10 22:55:00 -
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 Originally by: SiJira
the first secret id like to share is that you should check the price of your minerals
Big secret here, seeing as how they haven't changed as far as I can tell... |
Jaarlax
Ratty Corp PLC
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.06.10 22:59:00 -
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this happens every patch, there may be some short term profiteering to be had localy, but the economy is to globalised to last very long, soon as someone finds extra profit on something somewhere it will be swamped with undercutters as soon as they can stuff their haulers.
that said, such a widespread war could see a general upturn in market activity,
A lots of peeps getting blown up in empire needing new stuff (peeps out in 0.0 tend to be more self sufficient)
B we may lose some producers, some will want to fight, some may divert production to their militia (that may affect A somewhat)
C deep spacers may return to empire for the wars increasing potential buyers
Ca which i just realised may effect high end mins if they are miners 
I'm not sure on EA rules, but i don't think non militia peeps will be prevented from cross border activity due to standing issues, but even so i think it will be the regional hubs rather than jita that will see the (if any) upturn in trades.
personaly i'll be taking a wait and see, i will be reducing my discounted market pricing for a little while in the hopes of some trade upswing, otherwise i'll just be keeping an eye open for anything of note.
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Nido Gentz
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:58:00 -
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According to the general discussion forums, it appears that there are a few dysprosium moons seeded in Black Rise, maybe a drop in price coming...
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Toria Nynys
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:14:00 -
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Blatant hint: check for civilian modules. They're gone from the markets as was anticipated. This may be the lifting of the trit cap after all.
So, wait a few days/weeks for the reserves to deplete and then plan your manufacturing.
As far as black rise: we'll see. I'm not positive FW will draw as many combatants as anticipated. This may be Level Vs part II.
Re: dysprosium and promethium: who knows. My money is on Black Rise being a pointless pvp-lite zone only, no commercial or redeeming value aside from killmails.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:11:00 -
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Trit is not at the old cap now, in fact it is 10% below that cap. Thus there is no reason that the removal of that cap should have any impact at all other then with speculators.
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RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:38:00 -
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anybody who scanned moons on sisi and expected the results to be true needs to understand sisi a bit more
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BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve,
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Sverre Haakonson
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:07:00 -
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The issue with EA is, that all the militia member can't acess the systems of the opponent side. So the tradecenter Jita looses some importance and region centers will become more important.
The question is: Is this good or bad?
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Mortok Tristan
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Trit is not at the old cap now, in fact it is 10% below that cap. Thus there is no reason that the removal of that cap should have any impact at all other then with speculators.
Until demand for trit increases by a mayor 0.0 war(capitals) or FW(which i am not sure is gonna be noticeable) |
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:56:00 -
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I was surprised to see trit drifting back down to prices re: 6mths ago in some regions. I expected a large speculative bubble to throw up right after the servers went live.
I really do hope FW will be successful though in chewing through t1 gear. Several large cruiser orders I had up have all been bought near the Gallente/Caldari border areas so someone is either preping for war or preping for speculations.
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Confuzer
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:01:00 -
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Luckily I can sit on my isk for many months... so it's a good day to stockpile some Trit. |
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Confuzer
Luckily I can sit on my isk for many months... so it's a good day to stockpile some Trit.
Assuming that demand is ever going to exceed the seemingly endless supply of the stuff. Honestly- ive been trading minerals and studying market flows carefully in the last 6 months or so. Tbh I havnt seen a decrease in trit supply and the only thing that really increased the demand (which now seems quite moot) was freighter production for T2 inventions. With a general down turn in captial warfare and 0.0 production becoming more self sufficient I am now starting to wonder if the "trit cap" will ever be reached by demand. It might be able to be lifted by speculation but thats something else entirely.
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Ordon Gundar
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:54:00 -
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I`ve been buy ordering T1 combat modules, ammo and components for the last couple of weeks, acquiring stock for next to nothing that will soon be in incredibly high demand!
War is great for arms dealers!
Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S) |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:24:00 -
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There are about 6,200 pilots so far signed up for FW.
Caldari 2321
Minmatar 1403
Amarr 913
Gallente 1722
Just so folks can get an idea of what their target market is looking like for stocking up Black Rise, etc.
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Sarah Dent
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:39:00 -
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I suspect that the days of Jita holding primacy of the markets are soon to be over. A large number of people who engage in the wars will not be able to go to jita for their wares and more, so more and more faction specific trade hubs will form. IE, Ours for the gal's and whatnot. |
Maestro Del'Tirith
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:45:00 -
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I hope so...more variety in marketing space will only be good for opportunistic traders. Those who keep their eyes on the market will be much more aware of price differentials between those markets. |
Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:51:00 -
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A friendly tip: look the copy time of the T2 ammunitions.
It has gone up and it is again higher than the production time, even in a POS.
So the times of low cost Barrage (and those few T2 ammunitions that are used) is at the end. |
Ben Bitdiddle
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Trit is not at the old cap now, in fact it is 10% below that cap. Thus there is no reason that the removal of that cap should have any impact at all other then with speculators.
It will most definitely have an impact if you consider optionality. Previously there was almost no upside to be had buying trit at 3.3 to 3.4 unless you were producing with it, but now that trade has potential (note: I didn't say it would make money). Theoretically you can now sell trit for above 3.6 which makes it more attractive to traders/speculators and therefore increases demand, all else being equal. Even industrialists may end up buying more and stockpiling it just to hedge against the (now real) possibility that they will someday have to pay 4+ for tritanium.
Now if trit were trading at 2 this wouldn't matter so much but given how close to the cap it has been trading at the past few months there is no way its removal won't have an upward affect. Unless there is an increase in supply or decrease in demand to cancel this out the price will go up.
Now when they got rid of the shuttles there was an insane frenzy and the price went up to 6 and a lot of dumb speculators lost a lot of money, so I doubt that will happen again. But I'd be willing to bet it goes up to the 3.5 to 3.7 range pretty soon, and perhaps even higher depending on faction warfare demand.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.06.11 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Dent
I suspect that the days of Jita holding primacy of the markets are soon to be over. A large number of people who engage in the wars will not be able to go to jita for their wares and more, so more and more faction specific trade hubs will form. IE, Ours for the gal's and whatnot.
Possibly. All things considered Ours has seen increased volume in thing like T1 Ammo, Drones and things needed for armor tanks. This is likely just a surge effect, so take it for what you will. |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.06.11 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 11/06/2008 16:36:10
Originally by: Sarah Dent
I suspect that the days of Jita holding primacy of the markets are soon to be over. A large number of people who engage in the wars will not be able to go to jita for their wares and more, so more and more faction specific trade hubs will form. IE, Ours for the gal's and whatnot.
I don't think so, first of all no one likes to move stuff around. I for one prefer to sell cheaper in Jita and let others do the hauling. Jita will be able to adapt by selling cheaper.
It is safe to presume that only ships will be built on spot so for now you might want to focus on that.
It really comes down to what the demand for certain items will be in the new hubs and the Jita price difference. If it's high enough it might attract smaller, focused producers that are tired of the 0.01 isk undercutting game.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.06.11 20:29:00 -
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I took a small gamble on Black Rise and had moved about 1.5bil cost worth of stuff to the system just out side of BR entry point.
Last night moved it all in and added it to the market. Found out there are only 4 highsec systems that have Stations all within 2 jumps of each other.
I haven't checked sales yet but I see evemon's ISK hasn't changed much so either I'm undercut or there is no market there yet.
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Toria Nynys
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Posted - 2008.06.12 02:56:00 -
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You realize there are probably more traders moving in to the Black Rise neighborhood than alts signing up for warfare, right?
Still: Rifters, Punishers, Kestrels and PvP related fittings look to be moving pretty well in Ours.
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Vhaluus
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Posted - 2008.06.12 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Toria Nynys
You realize there are probably more traders moving in to the Black Rise neighborhood than alts signing up for warfare, right?
A simple example of game theory there. Some people will see only increased demand so go and try and supply it. Other, more advanced, thinkers see the potential increase in demand but also predict that their competitors are going to flood the area with supply.
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Sarah Dent
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Posted - 2008.06.12 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vhaluus
Originally by: Toria Nynys
You realize there are probably more traders moving in to the Black Rise neighborhood than alts signing up for warfare, right?
A simple example of game theory there. Some people will see only increased demand so go and try and supply it. Other, more advanced, thinkers see the potential increase in demand but also predict that their competitors are going to flood the area with supply.
and where they are suddenly not supplying there will be a increase in demand, and prices accordingly. |
Vhaluus
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Posted - 2008.06.12 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Vhaluus on 12/06/2008 03:39:39
there was a reason I didn't mention that. now we're going to have those that have read that come BACK to where they were previously, increasing supply slightly while decreasing it in the new region once again. :P
of course now we can go around in loops forever, such is the nature of 2+ step thinking.
edit: getting rid of pyramid of quotes. |
Ava Santiago
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Posted - 2008.06.12 04:15:00 -
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Anyone know if there is a map out listing all the new stations? - Not that anyone in a new station with lots of militia missions would ever need things like ammo.
(note - I do not sell ammo to mission runners.)
Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts. |
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.06.12 06:52:00 -
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I think most traders manufacturers realised deep down that any increase in demand from factional warfare was going to be quickly and easily absorbed by the amount of manu-alts that are out there.
In fact, the amount of "supply" or at least "potential supply" in eve atm appears to far outstrip "demand" or "predicted demand", at least in empire anyway.
0.0 is another matter entirely.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.06.12 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
I think most traders manufacturers realised deep down that any increase in demand from factional warfare was going to be quickly and easily absorbed by the amount of manu-alts that are out there.
I so hate being right all the time. The naive part of me was hoping that this would create an expansion. But the truth is... another expansion that is mostly for the pew pew amongst us. Mind you, me and mine are having a blast killing things. FW is, atm, very very fun. Yet, considering that it takes more effort and time to create then it does to destroy, CCP seems to mostly focus on destruction and to leave us poor creation types standing in front of the table like Oliver Twist. Always looking at an empty bowl crying, "More please."
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
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