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Vhaluus	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:31:00 - [31] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik I think most traders manufacturers realised deep down that any increase in demand from factional warfare was going to be quickly and easily absorbed by the amount of manu-alts that are out there. I so hate being right all the time. The naive part of me was hoping that this would create an expansion. But the truth is... another expansion that is mostly for the pew pew amongst us. Mind you, me and mine are having a blast killing things. FW is, atm, very very fun. Yet, considering that it takes more effort and time to create then it does to destroy, CCP seems to mostly focus on destruction and to leave us poor creation types standing in front of the table like Oliver Twist. Always looking at an empty bowl crying, "More please." well if they don't keep focusing on getting stuff destroyed then really supply will exceed demand more and more. We may not get anything directly, but indirectly we do.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Vhaluus well if they don't keep focusing on getting stuff destroyed then really supply will exceed demand more and more. We may not get anything directly, but indirectly we do. A "circle of life" or "degrees of separation" thinking. When someone starts talking like this it only reminds me that, against my will, he and I share the same breathing air. Taken to an extreme, you do realize that when I fart you eventually breathe some of it in. While it is not directly at you, indirectly it enters the common air supply. How does it taste?
Vhaluus	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Vhaluus well if they don't keep focusing on getting stuff destroyed then really supply will exceed demand more and more. We may not get anything directly, but indirectly we do. A "circle of life" or "degrees of separation" thinking. When someone starts talking like this it only reminds me that, against my will, he and I share the same breathing air. Taken to an extreme, you do realize that when I fart you eventually breathe some of it in. While it is not directly at you, indirectly it enters the common air supply. How does it taste? Yes and the water we all drink used to be dinosaur **** I'm not saying the market oriented should not have gotten something. I guess it was merely trying to take some small positive from something where there isn't an obvious one.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Vhaluus Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik I think most traders manufacturers realised deep down that any increase in demand from factional warfare was going to be quickly and easily absorbed by the amount of manu-alts that are out there. I so hate being right all the time. The naive part of me was hoping that this would create an expansion. But the truth is... another expansion that is mostly for the pew pew amongst us. Mind you, me and mine are having a blast killing things. FW is, atm, very very fun. Yet, considering that it takes more effort and time to create then it does to destroy, CCP seems to mostly focus on destruction and to leave us poor creation types standing in front of the table like Oliver Twist. Always looking at an empty bowl crying, "More please." well if they don't keep focusing on getting stuff destroyed then really supply will exceed demand more and more. We may not get anything directly, but indirectly we do. I agree with Vhal. We dont need more, we need higher standards or something that brings diversification. Atm manufacturing T1 and T2 stuff for the most part is dead in the water. I honestly made more isk in the last weekend in stain ninja ratting than I have in the last 2 weeks producing large quantities of t1. Expanding into the t2 market via invention looks like a giant isk hole as well, even though im kinda halfway into the water as it is. While my background is in 0.0 and pvp I have really thrown myself into carebearing over the last 4mths and tbh- trading appears like the only method of making any isk in empire that is comparable to 0.0 ratting or even lvl 4 mission running. Bulk munitions sales are pretty decent returns but the you would have to be turning over quite alot to even rival 1 day of 0.0 ratting.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:55:00 - [35] Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik We dont need more, we need higher standards or something that brings diversification. I can not disagree with Vhalus on this point as I posted it a couple of weeks back. The idea that the creation side of the game needs more depth is not new nor was I (or Vhalus) the first to say it. But this idea that collateral improvements make up for any lack of direct improvement is one of appeasement. As long as I'm in the position where I can speak out on settling for, not 2nd - not 3rd, but for 4th or 5th best... I will continue to do so. And the day we get 2nd best or 3rd best will not be a day of rejoicing for me. However, please continue to live life at the lowest setting. It leaves more for the rest of us.
Vhaluus	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik We dont need more, we need higher standards or something that brings diversification. I can not disagree with Vhalus on this point as I posted it a couple of weeks back. The idea that the creation side of the game needs more depth is not new nor was I (or Vhalus) the first to say it. But this idea that collateral improvements make up for any lack of direct improvement is one of appeasement. As long as I'm in the position where I can speak out on settling for, not 2nd - not 3rd, but for 4th or 5th best... I will continue to do so. And the day we get 2nd best or 3rd best will not be a day of rejoicing for me. However, please continue to live life at the lowest setting. It leaves more for the rest of us. And in your position that should absolutely be your viewpoint. Even though I'm new, I do actually agree with you that from everything I have read there has been a neglection of this side of eve (which frankly I find surprising given that the advanced economy is one of the things that makes Eve stand out from the MMO masses). Just because I say there was SOME small benefit does not necessarily mean I believe it is enough or am content to 'live life at its lowest setting'. It was merely an observation without any judgment on how sufficient it was.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:15:00 - [37] Sorry, it is part of me story teller's habit to get a bit bombastic. Even though I've not done the reporter thing in years, for eve at least, I can't help pumping up a story a bit. (Only in the choice of words though, never with facts!)
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:21:00 - [38] Yeah all move to Dark Rise, leave the rest of empire to me, me me me me! ;) Overal my sales increased by aprox 1.5 times the normal ammount the last day. So EA did bring more activity. Also I see another "trend" in my sales stats which I'm gonna focus on.
Maus Bailey Net 7 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:15:00 - [39] Edited by: Maus Bailey on 12/06/2008 13:16:50 I had set up stock on either side of Black Rise before the area opened up, mostly cap boosters, missles and ammo. Truly disposable goods. Both stockpiles are gone and neither were at a particularly fair price either. They blew through 50k hvy. missiles and about five thousand 400-800 cap boost charges in a day. I don't have the time or the inclination to maintain the volume on my own but if anyone is willing to go in on it, send me a mail. edit: also... holy jeebus are all the pipes clean. I'd hate to be a pirate these days. They should change the concord billboard in Tama to read 'no camping'.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:21:00 - [40] All I know is that I sold Magnates for 5 mil a pop when they first came out so I be happy . Now the market has stabilized and they are are currently at 180k oh well! Do you think I should continue to produce them or manufacture a more expensive product?
Jastra Stardream Research	Posted - 2008.06.12 14:09:00 - [41] Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik I think most traders manufacturers realised deep down that any increase in demand from factional warfare was going to be quickly and easily absorbed by the amount of manu-alts that are out there. In fact, the amount of "supply" or at least "potential supply" in eve atm appears to far outstrip "demand" or "predicted demand", at least in empire anyway. 0.0 is another matter entirely. I agree with this, my sell orders for frigate gear in low-sec placid saw a little spike last night as I guess people came down to see what was occuring but it's dropped off again now sigh
Archon T'orn	Posted - 2008.06.12 15:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Vhaluus well if they don't keep focusing on getting stuff destroyed then really supply will exceed demand more and more. We may not get anything directly, but indirectly we do. A "circle of life" or "degrees of separation" thinking. When someone starts talking like this it only reminds me that, against my will, he and I share the same breathing air. Taken to an extreme, you do realize that when I fart you eventually breathe some of it in. While it is not directly at you, indirectly it enters the common air supply. How does it taste? God, you're a self-absorbed *****.
Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:21:00 - [43] Well, from the manufacturing standpoint, one upside is that we are no longer penalized for producing in big batches now, as the mineral waste rounding issues have returned back to the more sensical pre-trinity formulas. Not so much of an issue for frigs, but it make s a huge difference when mass producing expensive component items like certain rigs.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:47:00 - [44] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 12/06/2008 19:49:04 I'm a tad concerned as FW's potential affects on the markets. CCP is simultaneously removing materials (ships destroyed), increasing ISK (insurance payouts) and removing the barriers to serious inflation (trit cap). This will only exacerbate the current issue with excess capital and if FW continues to see a thousand ships a day destroyed (with easily 10% being BS's) we may well see serious inflation. That said, it's ******* amazing PVP. I've blow off work the last two days to get in more time. We've had some great fights, hell we even killed 3 carriers earlier today. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Nido Gentz	Posted - 2008.06.12 23:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 12/06/2008 19:49:04 I'm a tad concerned as FW's potential affects on the markets. CCP is simultaneously removing materials (ships destroyed), increasing ISK (insurance payouts) and removing the barriers to serious inflation (trit cap). This will only exacerbate the current issue with excess capital and if FW continues to see a thousand ships a day destroyed (with easily 10% being BS's) we may well see serious inflation. This was my exact concern heading into the expansion. I mean with all the ships getting destroyed, I don't even want to think about all the ISK being pumped into the economy. As far as solutions, I'm not exactly sure what the answer is as I doubt they'll ever remove insurance (hurt the noobs too much). Too bad they couldn't introduce some sort of ISK sink with FW...like bribing officers for a better rank!
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.06.12 23:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Archon T'orn God, you're a self-absorbed ***. As I commonly tell tards like yourself: Better to be a well known and highly respect ass then a waste of space wanna be Shar nobody. Of course my characterization of you would be valid according to your obvious logic of name calling based on one post. One post does not make up the history of any one person. For instance you've posted a lot and from the nature of those post you are more of a * than I ever could be. However this is not a bigger *** contest so I'm at peace being called one by one. I just wished you had more to add then just a flame. PS: The post you are commenting on was a gross caricaturization of the situation to demonstrate a point. Your response only pointed out your ... whatever. Please, go fail elsewhere as you are quite lame and unoriginal. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Karanth Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.13 09:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Ulstan There are about 6,200 pilots so far signed up for FW. Caldari 2321 Minmatar 1403 Amarr 913 Gallente 1722 Just so folks can get an idea of what their target market is looking like for stocking up Black Rise, etc. Updated: Caldari 3353 Minmatar 1911 Amarr 1433 Gallente 2222 Oh, and an interesting bit. Kills yesterday: Caldari 288 Minmatar 412 Amarr 254 Gallente 801 Overall totals don't show much difference, obviously.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:21:00 - [48] Interesting on the kills portion. Makes me wonder if the bulk of pilots on one side are lower SP toons despite having a numbers advantage, since for all intents and purposes, T1 equipment would be the bulk of what was used.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:25:00 - [49] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Vhaluus well if they don't keep focusing on getting stuff destroyed then really supply will exceed demand more and more. We may not get anything directly, but indirectly we do. A "circle of life" or "degrees of separation" thinking. When someone starts talking like this it only reminds me that, against my will, he and I share the same breathing air. Taken to an extreme, you do realize that when I fart you eventually breathe some of it in. While it is not directly at you, indirectly it enters the common air supply. How does it taste? Ha ha, that takes me back, when I was younger and less cultured, I would happily fart in a lift or confined space, and then say in a loudish whisper to the person next to me "It's funny, isn't it, that some of the air you're breathing has come from the inside of my ass?" Looking back I'm surprised nobody punched me in the face. On topic... Price of most salvage has risen 5% or so in the last few days in Jita; possibly due to less mission running being done while FW is new. After a few months of steady downward pressure on prices it's been a bit of a shock. I doubt it will last once the novelty has worn off.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.07.12 17:52:00 - [50] has anyone else noticed any long term effects? Trashed sig, Shark was here
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.07.12 18:14:00 - [51] Originally by: SiJira has anyone else noticed any long term effects? SiJira I think you are browsing the MD forums from page 20. Necroing all the old stuff. Insured Research and Production Services Queues
SiJira	Posted - 2008.08.17 13:51:00 - [52] there have been some unusual movements in ammo Trashed sig, Shark was here
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.08.17 13:55:00 - [53] Originally by: SiJira there have been some unusual movements in my pants
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.17 13:58:00 - [54] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/08/2008 14:12:18 Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: SiJira there have been some unusual movements in my pants Daddy, daddy, there's a bull in my pijamas!!!!
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.08.17 14:08:00 - [55] can this be considered necro? my god- I posted in here months ago.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.17 14:09:00 - [56] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/08/2008 14:09:13 Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik can this be considered necro? my god- I posted in here months ago. Yeah but back then no one noticed the bull.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.17 20:19:00 - [57] Sijiri likes to necro threads. He has done it more times than I could count, gotta get used to it.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.17 21:05:00 - [58] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/08/2008 21:07:26 Originally by: Shadarle Sijiri likes to necro threads. He has done it more times than I could count, gotta get used to it. You can't blame the OP for loving his own threads.
Adaline Gray	Posted - 2008.08.19 05:13:00 - [59] Forums have an automatic lock after so many days. If he can bump it, it isnt a necro.

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