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Vladimir Titov
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:53:00 -
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Its clear that the wave of assassinations that plagued the Republic today was aimed at Amarrian operatives in the Republic. I only hope they finished the job with Midular. Its obvious that the Midulites would tell Scope that evidence of collaboration with the slavers was 'planted' in order to save face.
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Sepherim
Ordo Quaesitoris
Magna Ordo
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:58:00 -
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Miss Char, this is a sad day. To build such a fleet you need ressources, massive ressources... those of an Empire. The Defiants fought by their side, and they use equipment "stolen" from the Minmatarr Navy. And they use the Minmatarr border at ease.
No, Miss Char, even if you were right and the Republic had nothing to do with it, that doesn't matter anymore. Our people had died, our planets assaulted, our slaves stolen... it is time for blood.
It is a sad day indeed, when reason matters no more.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Evanda Char
Now, I suggest everyone calm down and drink some tea. Biscuit, anyone?
From all the statements given, this is amongst the worst.
A joke? Is that what this is to you?
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: KillJoy Tseng
So, without any statement from the forces themselves, you're going to believe the word of The Scope that a group long thought exterminated came back to lead a series of warfleets? Compared to that, and on that evidence, why *not* assume the Jovians did it; they at least are occasionally seen to act in the cluster. You of course are free to believe whatever you wish; I am waiting for a statement from the people in question.
What I've seen is a group starting an offensive without a declaration of war from our government. Whether it's what our government would have decided to do or not is immaterial, whatever reasons they're acting for are immaterial, as far as we know they are acting without any sanction from the Republic government. What gives them the right to subvert the will of the tribes and the process that the tribes use to assert that will?
the republic does not speak for all the tribes! And republivc has no right to dictate what is right or wrong upon the tribes that are not signataries of the republic treaty.
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 11/06/2008 02:14:54
I, for one, welcome our new Elder overlords.
More seriously, whatever else you may say about them... they brought the Starkmanir home. Now, I hope they're wise enough to end overt hostilities with this astounding victory, pull back, brace for the inevitable reprisal, work to contain it, and start diplomacy. But whatever else you say about them, they brought an entire Tribe home, and nothing anyone says will ever diminish that.
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Ryem Sadar
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin
More seriously, whatever else you may say about them... they brought the Starkmanir home. Now, I hope they're wise enough to end overt hostilities with this astounding victory, pull back, brace for the inevitable reprisal, work to contain it, and start diplomacy. But whatever else you say about them, they brought an entire Tribe home, and nothing anyone says will ever diminish that.
Did they bother to ask the Starkmanir if they wanted to come home? The point was made earlier that the Empire is all these Starkmanir have ever known, or did your 'Elders' take it upon themselves to decide for them that they need to be taken "home" and properly re-educated.
I hope for their sake the Starkmanir learn their lessons well, as the 'Elders' have all ready laid bare their barbaric nature and made it clear that any of their beloved kinsmen who don't properly recognize that their way is the only correct way are to be murdered in cold blood, on what I'm sure they believe is the perfectly logical basis that anyone who disagrees with them must be an Amarr spy.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 11/06/2008 07:15:51
I don't see why you're all so worried. The Amarrians have had this coming for a long time.
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zoolkhan
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin
How do you explain the Republic forces allowing terrorists to escape into Republic space in a cowardly attempt to race retribution for their actions.
The Minmatar race will be held accountable for the decisions of their elders.
the minmatar race is beeing punished since many many years by your illegal raids in matari space with subsequent slave transport to the amarr empire - so what's the difference? the difference is that from now on at least part of the matari population is no longer looking the other way when your navy comes here for the next badge of hijackings.
you better treat your slaves really good now, their value will rise rapiditely as the stock will dry out - and more masive liberations are taking place.
no more hiding. no more politics. no more pupeteering karin midular.
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AltBier
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ryem Sadar
Did they bother to ask the Starkmanir if they wanted to come home? The point was made earlier that the Empire is all these Starkmanir have ever known, or did your 'Elders' take it upon themselves to decide for them that they need to be taken "home" and properly re-educated.
Unlike the Starkmanir who were enslaved by your forefathers, these people now do have a choice.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: AltBier
Originally by: Ryem Sadar
Did they bother to ask the Starkmanir if they wanted to come home? The point was made earlier that the Empire is all these Starkmanir have ever known, or did your 'Elders' take it upon themselves to decide for them that they need to be taken "home" and properly re-educated.
Unlike the Starkmanir who were enslaved by your forefathers, these people now do have a choice.
Except for those who died during the onslaught by Minmatar forces.
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Kaylana Syi
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: AltBier
Originally by: Ryem Sadar
Did they bother to ask the Starkmanir if they wanted to come home? The point was made earlier that the Empire is all these Starkmanir have ever known, or did your 'Elders' take it upon themselves to decide for them that they need to be taken "home" and properly re-educated.
Unlike the Starkmanir who were enslaved by your forefathers, these people now do have a choice.
Except for those who died during the onslaught by Minmatar forces.
They don't have a choice.
Each one of their lives where paid for by the choices Amarr made when they plucked the first slave from our worlds. Their deaths are on the sins of your people. You can twist and turn reality all you want. You are not a just man living for a just people. War is hell; welcome to the war.
If you want to save lives, turn your ships and go home, release slaves and put the yoke on your own fragile backs. If you want to continue to plunge your people to war, all of Matar will oblige you, even the ones like Electus Matari who don't want to take responsibility or pride in what happened yesterday.
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AltBier
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.11 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Except for those who died during the onslaught by Minmatar forces.
They don't have a choice.
This is true - yet we wish a choice had been possible. You have no such wish.
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.06.11 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: AltBier
Originally by: Ryem Sadar
Did they bother to ask the Starkmanir if they wanted to come home? The point was made earlier that the Empire is all these Starkmanir have ever known, or did your 'Elders' take it upon themselves to decide for them that they need to be taken "home" and properly re-educated.
Unlike the Starkmanir who were enslaved by your forefathers, these people now do have a choice.
Except for those who died during the onslaught by Minmatar forces.
They don't have a choice.
I see choice is very important to you, Rodj.
No worries. Now that they're free, we'll just let anyone who chooses to return to slavery or the gentle ministrations of the puppet Mandate to do so. See, that's what "freedom" means - the freedom to choose. They have that freedom now. Your own argument states that because they did not have the freedom to even know of other choices, giving them choices is a Bad Thing. This is, plainly, ridiculous.
And i strongly doubt the Starkmanir were herded off the planet at gunpoint - unlike the manner in which they got there.
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KillJoy Tseng
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.11 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Seishomaru
the republic does not speak for all the tribes! And republivc has no right to dictate what is right or wrong upon the tribes that are not signataries of the republic treaty.
True enough; the Nefantar betrayed us to the Amarr (though some reports are saying that some may be looking to come back to the fold; not sure what to think of that myself) and the the Thukker seperated themselves from our society and space, and we thought the Starkmanir lost. So what right would they have to dictate actions that are going to affect the Republic?
I'm not going to argue against freeing slaves, but of the tens of millions that were rescued, who is going to provide facilities for rehabilitation? The Republic. Who is going to fall under the hammerblow of a counterattack? The Republic. In fact, let's boil it down and ask who is going to suffer all the consequences for this attack, while the agressing force retreats to the Great Wildlands? Well, not just the Republic then. Also all the slaves that were evidently freed with Insorum, but left on Amarrian worlds to rebel without any military support and are being rounded up and massacred. Also the Defiants, who sacrificed themselves to ensure the main body of these fleets could retreat, but they at least had the choice. The rest of us do not.
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