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Voodoo Mistross
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:47:00 -
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without provocation
without provocation?
You do not call enslavement of our brothers provocation?! |
Kaylana Syi
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:50:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Dronda M'Kor
Originally by: Major Death
Are we talking about the Amarr here? They invade other peoples territories, enslave millions, murder any who oppose them.
Major Death, let me ask you this. How can Yulai not keep coming up in any of these conversations? How can Ushra'Kahn condemn a neutral faction to death so easily, just because they got in your way? And please, do make more pretty flashs and smoke to pull everyones attention away from the terrorists working the controls behind the curtain. I'm sure nobody has noticed just yet.
A neutral faction that turns a blind eye to one sides crimes against humanity? They are no better than the Amarr and the Universe would do better without them. |
cold lazarus
Nevermore Holdings
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:50:00 -
[63]
Edited by: cold lazarus on 11/06/2008 11:50:41
Originally by: Voodoo Mistross
Quote:
without provocation
without provocation?
You do not call enslavement of our brothers provocation?!
No we do not, we call it education and training. |
Archbishop
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:48:00 -
[64]
Quote:
Are we talking about the Amarr here? They invade other peoples territories, enslave millions, murder any who oppose them.
More falsehoods and misinterpretations from the masters of terror. The Amarr bring the word of God and Enlightenment to other territories, we care for the lessors and bring them to the truth that only God provides, we exercise firm but compasionate discipline and justice to those who violate the law.
Terrorists on the other hand murder all who oppose them and even some who don't in their violence prone feeding frenzy of rage and inhumanity.
Archbishop
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.12 01:05:00 -
[65]
Originally by: cold lazarus
Edited by: cold lazarus on 11/06/2008 11:50:41
Originally by: Voodoo Mistross
Quote:
without provocation
without provocation?
You do not call enslavement of our brothers provocation?!
No we do not, we call it education and training.
And now we return the favor. Stop talking in class.
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Becq Starforged
proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today! |
Jonny Damordred
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.12 04:39:00 -
[66]
Welcome back to the Slaughterhouse PIE. I'm sure you remember how this goes...
Love and Ganking,
Jonny D.
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Hadderach
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Posted - 2008.06.12 04:53:00 -
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ArchBishop, Commander Blake let me first extend my deepest sympathies for the loss of innocent lives.
Now that the formalities are over let me open a little discourse. I particularly like the cries of missrepresentation by the Amarrians yet when your mind control agent, Vitoc, was negated with the cure and the mass of my enslaved brothers and sisters were FREE to act, you call it a maddening agent. How appropriate, that an Amarrian would call free will maddening, for in all the communications I have read it really is an incomprehensible word to those of your Empire: F R E E D O M
I particularly liked the piece about enlightening and educating. SO, tell me your emminence, how did you enlighten or educate my freewilled brothers and sisters? All the enlightenment I saw was the bright beams from your shock troop's laser rifles and the only education I witnessed was the Empire demonstrating a lesson in brutality.
You claim indignation, insult, and try to play the victim and cry foul. It is not a becoming posture your holiness, after all, God is on your side, did he not send you a memo?
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.12 09:58:00 -
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More falsehoods and misinterpretations from the masters of terror. The Amarr bring the word of God and Enlightenment to other territories,
So murder and enslavement of others is ok, if a voice in your head tells you so? Not to point out the obvious, but that sounds like the words of a lunatic.
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!' |
AltBier
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:39:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Today, Minmatar forces have brutally attacked the Empire without provocation and against interstellar law. They attempted to catch us off guard. They attacked without justification. They attacked without reason.
You refused to abandon slavery. Now you have paid the price for your short-sightedness.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
War is not something that we seek. The policies laid out by Emperor Heideran VII are peaceful ones, and the Empire has done its best to continue those policies since his death and the death of Emperor Doriam II. As such, let no-one be under any illusions as to who has been the aggressor in this conflict.
This conflict started when the Amarr attacked and enslaved the Minmatar. You know this.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
In the days ahead, the Empire will need every Amarrian. No, it will need every person who believes that unprovoked offensive war is a sin against everything civilized. We need everyone who believes that the savage nature of the Matari attacks deserves justice to join us in ending this threat to peace and the Amarrian people.
You are not confident of victory then?
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AltBier
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:45:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Dronda M'Kor
And what did Concord do to provoke the massacre of an entire stations worth of people by these glorious Elder fleets?
Concord and the Thukker tribe have a long history of conflict.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:52:00 -
[71]
Originally by: AltBier
Edited by: AltBier on 12/06/2008 11:45:50
Originally by: Dronda M'Kor
And what did Concord do to provoke the massacre of an entire stations worth of people by these glorious Elder fleets?
Keep in mind that Concord and the Thukker tribe have a long history of conflict.
It wasn't just Thukker ships murdering maybe millions of people in Yulai. |
Zaruda
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:43:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Archbishop
More falsehoods and misinterpretations from the masters of terror. The Amarr bring the word of God and Enlightenment to other territories, we care for the lessors and bring them to the truth that only God provides, we exercise firm but compasionate discipline and justice to those who violate the law.
Terrorists on the other hand murder all who oppose them and even some who don't in their violence prone feeding frenzy of rage and inhumanity.
Nice hypocritical spin there, Archie. What would you call conducting orbital bombardments and strafing runs against slaves? |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:07:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Zaruda
Nice hypocritical spin there, Archie. What would you call conducting orbital bombardments and strafing runs against slaves?
Escaped slaves.
Once a slave attempts to escape, he is effectively siding with the Minmatar insurgents, and should be treated accordingly.
Slaves who behave themselves have nothing to fear.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Demtalin le'Mercennaire
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:30:00 -
[74]
The imposed slavery of our Minmatar brothers and sisters, and the way in which the pompous and self righteous Amarr culture is forced apon them, did far more to sound the drums of war than our guns ever could.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj BlakeOnce a slave attempts to escape, he is effectively siding with the Minmatar insurgents, and should be treated accordingly.
Slaves who behave themselves have nothing to fear.[/quote
Right, cause it is easy to tell an insurgent from a scared person from an orbit, and to make your bombs only hit the first ones. 
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AltBier
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:11:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
It wasn't just Thukker ships murdering maybe millions of people in Yulai.
My understanding was that the Thukker ships were leading that fleet, so the target is hardly neutral to them. |
Shira d'Radonis
The Amarr Mission
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:18:00 -
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If you all believe this was the work of the Minmatar, you're honestly bigger fools than I could've ever imagined.
This attack was a stroke of sinister brilliance. It involved thousands of ships, upwards of one to two million people between the ship crews, logistical agents and ground troops. It required months of planning and unprecedented levels of secrecy.
And you think the Republic was behind this? I don't know about you, but when I think Minmatar the word "organization" does not immediately leap to mind.
This is particularly true of the Republic which has been in absolute political disarray. At this point, I would not trust them to organize a riot let alone the most well-coordinated attack in recent memory that nearly crippled the Empire and slaughtered the flower of Amarrian chivalry.
In short, your blind hatred for the Minmatar obscures the fact that they are simply not smart enough to have done this.
How is it that somehow they managed to catch the Empire so terribly off-guard? I mean, one would think that given the political turmoil in the Republic, border defenses would've been strengthened. And yet, the Minmatar fleet brushed aside only a token force in the border systems. Why would that be?
If you want answers about who did this and why, I recommend starting in your own house. And while you're at it, start looking for large money transfers that can be traced to the Angel Cartel. And then start looking to who would profit most from a false flag attack on the Empire. For example, someone who showed up conveniently to stop it... |
Sallera Zephyr
New Age Flying Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:29:00 -
[78]
Shira, while I won't deny that's an entirely possible (and deliciously amusing) series of events, I think you give the Thukkers too little credit. While it is certain that the Republic was rather incapable of something on that scale, I believe Thukker engineering would have made it entirely possible to evade defenses as they did. Recall that they are highly skilled with jump drive technology, as they demonstrated multiple times that day. As to their intelligence gathering, well, we seem to agree that their connections with the Cartel would have made that simple. |
Zaruda
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:47:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Escaped slaves.
Once a slave attempts to escape, he is effectively siding with the Minmatar insurgents, and should be treated accordingly.
Slaves who behave themselves have nothing to fear.
I didn't ask you.
But I do find it hard to believe you can selectively pick off the escaped slaves from orbit from those who might be just running scared from being bombed from space. I further find it quite amusing that in the past the pod pilot slave holders would go on and on about how the slaves like being in the Empire yet when you are struck right in the heart of your Empire, you have so many running away and wanting to be free.
And before you spin this with uniquely Amarr logical about how these were new slaves you were bringing into the fold or some other crazy rationalization that only another scum sucking Amarr slave holder could make sense out of, I want to cut you off before that and wait to see what old Archbishop has to say. Your opinion means less to me than the dirt gathered under my boot as I walk.
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Zoppo Trump
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 06:36:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Zaruda
Your opinion means less to me than the dirt gathered under my boot as I walk.
So why you blather about it? And where you stole those boots?
Go back to the hole you life in and try to feed your unwashed offspring for another day, maybe some soup kitchen already reopened after the fuss your socalled Elders made before they got humilated again.
And for the running slaves, dont worry. We just kill them all, God will know His own.
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AltBier
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.13 11:02:00 -
[81]
It is really touching how much you care for your slaves.
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Demtalin le'Mercennaire
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:36:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Zoppo Trump
And for the running slaves, dont worry. We just kill them all, God will know His own.
Mass killing of undefended slaves? That's very barbaric isn't it? |
Shaikar
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:40:00 -
[83]
Putting down those driven mad by matari bioweapons is a necessary act of mercy and if it cleans up some tribal vermin at the same time, so much the better.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:02:00 -
[84]
You got your cake, now eat it.
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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:50:00 -
[85]
Rodj Blake, Pie has never seek nothing but war. Your bloodlust rivals only with blood raiders and your zeal has crossed the border of heresy. You serve no Empire, but your wallets.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.14 07:18:00 -
[86]
Quote:
Putting down those driven mad by matari bioweapons
Matari Bioweapons? I'm sure thats news to even the Martari. Care to enlighten us as to the source of this claim?
Or let me guess, it was a voice in your head?
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!' |
Krystian
Luminaire Atrocity
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Posted - 2008.06.14 07:41:00 -
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The slaves getting out of hand? It is high time they become rightful property of the glorious Amarr empire. They where given food, homes, jobs and a good life. How do they repay you? They rebel. They run off taking what is not theirs. Having been allowed a republic of their own, what do they do? They stick daggers in your back. May your God see to their demise, free those who see your way and enslave those who are unworthy.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.14 07:43:00 -
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Oh, so you haven't noticed the interesting correlation between airborne "insorium" and violent suicidal revolt?
Now you can tell me the slaves just want to be free but why then do they also revolt when they have no chance of escape?
The obvious conclusion is that "Insorium" is an agent that rather than curing the Vitoc agent causes mass scale violent behavior.
So, in other words, rather than actually fighting in a civilized manner designed to free as many matari as possible, your beloved "Elder" fleet launched an agent into the atmosphere of planets they were attacking that was designed to cause mass chaos.
Now what happens when you incite unarmed slaves to violently attack armed forces?
If the "Elders" wanted to free slaves, they would have used as limited force as possible and gotten as many slaves on transports in as ordered a manner as possible.
But they did not want that. They wanted to kill as many Amarrians as possible in their evil sneak attack. They wanted to use the slaves as fodder to hurt Amarrians.
This is an age old story with you Matari scum. You just want blood, you do not care who you kill to get it.
We gave the Matari a chance at peace. They used it to commit mass murder on a regional scale.
We will never give them that chance again.
Deus Vult!
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.14 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Major Death on 14/06/2008 07:54:40
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Oh, so you haven't noticed the interesting correlation between airborne "insorium" and violent suicidal revolt?
Stop trying to blame slaves fighting for their freedom on some chemical agent. You could just have easily 'spiked' the Vitoc to cause the same effect.
Plus if anything is designed to incite violent behaviour its your endless prattle about 'peace through slavery'
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!' |
cold lazarus
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.14 08:35:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Major Death
Edited by: Major Death on 14/06/2008 07:54:40
Quote:
Oh, so you haven't noticed the interesting correlation between airborne "insorium" and violent suicidal revolt?
Stop trying to blame slaves fighting for their freedom on some chemical agent. You could just have easily 'spiked' the Vitoc to cause the same effect.
Plus if anything is designed to incite violent behaviour its your endless prattle about 'peace through education'
Fixed for you.
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