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Killer Kelly
Allied Tactical Unit
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:54:00 -
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Let's say that the Germans were to have captured Paris from the French. Would the French not want Paris back?
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lady2isis
Philae Temple
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:09:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Killer Kelly
Let's say that the Germans were to have captured Paris from the French. Would the French not want Paris back?
excellent metaphor 
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Vanessa Vasquez
planet eyeQ
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:24:00 -
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damn these germans! Hopefully they don't win EURO Worldcup. We can't just attack them to get the trophy back if they did, can we? 
BTT
The Caldari Prime story is a bit flaw to be honest. I would have expected something with more depth, since it seems such a coincidence that minmatar and caldari go to war just at the same time. Something like the caldari went to help the Amarrians out as the elders fleet was about to crush the amarrians by surprise. And of course later on, the gallenteans support the minmatar after combined amarr and caldari forces enter minmatar space. But well, i'm not much of a roleplayer either 
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Jovoich
X-Fire
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Lone Gunman
I take it Jake, that you are NOT a role Player?
Used to be but not the point, though I guess at certain points of view it is.
From a tactical point of view you have a titan, a mammoth of a ship, sitting in enemy territory guarding a lone planet. It has a support fleet, but hardly large enough to capture the whole system or make an attempt to redraw the lines so the system lies on your side of the border. Eventually its going to run low on fuel, ammo and supplies. It cant use its DDD as that would be political suicide for Tibus Heth, as well as would sign his death warrent.
Essentially, the titan is on the losing end of a stand off. All the gallente have to do is prevent refueling convoys from reaching the titan and that is simple enough.
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Nathvas
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:04:00 -
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All I'm gonna say is lawl at the bad Story line. CCP need to fire their story writters. I see so many wholes things done wrong and poorly written. I'm a roleplayer and badly written stories annoy me too no end. shall I list what I found inconstant. Yes I shall!!
1. The Capitiol of any nation is coveted and protected insansly above all else. your telling me a single. SINGLE Titan supported fleet was able to entire the Gallente capitol system when there for sure be a titan or two in the capitiol system. I mean look at the larger alliances. Most have 4-8 titans with dozens of support carriers, moms and dreads. So basically Bob with its 8 titans has the military might to come in and crush all the empire nations is what you are saying?
2. The Caldari navy just happened to have a titan supported fleet ready to assualt the Gallente while the Concord was shut down? Not possible. It takes days, for the larger alliances to assualt each other and we don't have to prepare ground troops. I can personally vouch that it takes months to prepare a single division for a deployment. So only way this would work story line is if the Caldari partoke in the assualt on Concord, but it didn't in the story line. Plus if it did, Concord would so light the flames of wrath under their a$$'s.
3. By that Titan remaining around Caldari prime, it is in violation of Concord mandate. Begining of quote
TO THE MILITARY FORCES OF ALL NATION-STATE MEMBERS OF THE CONCORD BUREAU ASSEMBLY:
CEASE ALL NON-SANCTIONED COMBAT OPERATIONS IMMEDIATELY.
FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS MANDATE IS PUNISHABLE WITH DEADLY FORCE. DED AND CONCORD COUNTERTHREAT DEPLOYMENT CAPABILITIES HAVE BEEN RESTORED.
REPEAT: CEASE ALL COMBAT OPERATIONS AND FALL BACK TO RECOGNIZED TERRITORIAL BOUNDARIES.
end of quote.
Since Concord just got restored, it hasn't had any time to recognize anything, and therefore techinically. That titan remaining in orbit of Caldari Prime is in violation of that mandate.
Thats just three complete ops we didn't think things threw and read all the blogs or think things throughly I've found since I real all the updates to the storyline this morning.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:38:00 -
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Warp to a safespot, come to a stop and deactivate all your modules. Turn off the jukebox for good measure.
Do you hear that sound? That is what drives us. We knew it on Caldari Prime and we still hear it in the depths of space. It is calling to us. |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:40:00 -
[37]
You know what's coming now don't you? If the Federation can't have it it's time to roll out the stellar converters. |
Malarki X
Ad Astra Vexillum
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:45:00 -
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You have WAY too much time on youre hands - go spank the monkey  |
Piratejoe
54th Knights Templar
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nathvas
All I'm gonna say is lawl at the bad Story line. CCP need to fire their story writters. I see so many wholes things done wrong and poorly written. I'm a roleplayer and badly written stories annoy me too no end. shall I list what I found inconstant. Yes I shall!!
1. The Capitiol of any nation is coveted and protected insansly above all else. your telling me a single. SINGLE Titan supported fleet was able to entire the Gallente capitol system when there for sure be a titan or two in the capitiol system. I mean look at the larger alliances. Most have 4-8 titans with dozens of support carriers, moms and dreads. So basically Bob with its 8 titans has the military might to come in and crush all the empire nations is what you are saying?
2. The Caldari navy just happened to have a titan supported fleet ready to assualt the Gallente while the Concord was shut down? Not possible. It takes days, for the larger alliances to assualt each other and we don't have to prepare ground troops. I can personally vouch that it takes months to prepare a single division for a deployment. So only way this would work story line is if the Caldari partoke in the assualt on Concord, but it didn't in the story line. Plus if it did, Concord would so light the flames of wrath under their a$$'s.
3. By that Titan remaining around Caldari prime, it is in violation of Concord mandate. Begining of quote
TO THE MILITARY FORCES OF ALL NATION-STATE MEMBERS OF THE CONCORD BUREAU ASSEMBLY:
CEASE ALL NON-SANCTIONED COMBAT OPERATIONS IMMEDIATELY.
FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS MANDATE IS PUNISHABLE WITH DEADLY FORCE. DED AND CONCORD COUNTERTHREAT DEPLOYMENT CAPABILITIES HAVE BEEN RESTORED.
REPEAT: CEASE ALL COMBAT OPERATIONS AND FALL BACK TO RECOGNIZED TERRITORIAL BOUNDARIES.
end of quote.
Since Concord just got restored, it hasn't had any time to recognize anything, and therefore techinically. That titan remaining in orbit of Caldari Prime is in violation of that mandate.
Thats just three complete ops we didn't think things threw and read all the blogs or think things throughly I've found since I real all the updates to the storyline this morning.
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Irle R1
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:15:00 -
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The phail is strong is this one.
Originally by: Nathvas
blah blah
1. The Capitiol of any nation is coveted and protected insansly above all else. your telling me a single. SINGLE Titan supported fleet was able to entire the Gallente capitol system when there for sure be a titan or two in the capitiol system. I mean look at the larger alliances. Most have 4-8 titans with dozens of support carriers, moms and dreads. So basically Bob with its 8 titans has the military might to come in and crush all the empire nations is what you are saying?
2. The Caldari navy just happened to have a titan supported fleet ready to assualt the Gallente while the Concord was shut down? Not possible. It takes days, for the larger alliances to assualt each other and we don't have to prepare ground troops. I can personally vouch that it takes months to prepare a single division for a deployment. So only way this would work story line is if the Caldari partoke in the assualt on Concord, but it didn't in the story line. Plus if it did, Concord would so light the flames of wrath under their a$$'s.
3. By that Titan remaining around Caldari prime, it is in violation of Concord mandate. Begining of quote
blah blah
1/ There're plenty of examples in real world or in novels where a capital is taken before all else(Paris WWII), things doesn't always work like dominos so use your imagination( it'd be pretty stupid tbh for any nation to put massive military in their capital and not stage them in the front line. capitals are protected by Intels and counter intels, it's a more sophisticated and effective ways of defense, and for a nation's political and economical image - as Capitals are often represented for, governments try to keep military presence at minimal.)
2/ If you happened to read a bit of FW prelude, it's something been cooking up for awhile, again use your imagination. Would other nations sit still and do nothing when there's tension arised elsewhere even not directly aim at them? no, military intel agents/politicians are ALWAYS estimating the 'possible' effects whenever there's a shift of power. The Yulai stand off proves that minies are up to something and had been planing for awhile (probably the same time as the Gallentes before the nyx incident, since they're allies) sure Scoop said that Matari government denied any connection to the fleet in yulai but... if you believe everything scoop said then you're no different than the moron who believes everything CNN said. bottom line is, the minnies and gallente have been cooking up something and it involves the concord. Has it occur to you that even 4 factions hate each other they might share a common threat, a threat that isn't a threat years ago but now it has grown in power and jurisdiction-the Concord? It's time to keep the concords in check. And would you also assume that Concord intel is clueless about the situation? lol I think they know what's coming and is busy sorting themselves thru the chaos than light the flames of wrath under anyone's a$$s.
3/ Concord mandate is meant to be violated if there's ever a better time now would be it lol
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Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:26:00 -
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*Pries up the floor boards of his old house on Caldari Prime*
"Oh my limited edition Action Man with movable eyes, I missed you since I had to leave you behind in the hands of those stinking Gallente! I'm glad they never found you!"
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Irle R1
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:33:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Gealbhan
*Pries up the floor boards of his old house on Caldari Prime*
"Oh my limited edition Action Man with movable eyes, I missed you since I had to leave you behind in the hands of those stinking Gallente! I'm glad they never found you!"
What?
The Gallentes turned my old house into a pleasure hub  where 're the damn factories!?? i need to work!
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:42:00 -
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We're in your space, stealing your systems. :P |
Nathvas
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:42:00 -
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to answer 1. yes, but then usually the attacker had a huge advantage of some sort. military, techonology etc. As it stands, the Caldari/Gallente have proven to be on even terms.
2. Which is also why I irked by this story. The Federation navy was deployed to the Caldary border in a previous blog. Yet the Caldari invasion, the only ships where encoutered where customs ships. This falls under the constitancry issue I have. If the fleet was deployed to the border, they would have encoutered more then just custom ships.
3. Again In previous Blogs, it has stated that Concord orgionally started out as a police force by the four nations but has grown since then into a independent entity. Its also a full fledge military force, which states in its own blog in the current updates that it has fire power to match Capital ships, destroy them and even engage a titan class ship.
4. Keeping a military presence a minimun in capitials is true, except one problem. This isn't the ground, this is in space. A solar system is a damn big place, and its more then easy to put up several shipyards in a system to house a reasonable size fleet.
5. you need more then several thousand troops to invade a planet. We're talking tens of millions easly, as any decently populated planent would have a planetary military force.
RP much, yes have a group that gets together bi weekly but I ended up with a group that likes things reasonable and explainable which has tainted me so.  |
Ryoji Tanakama
Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Im talking about a tactical situation though. In a RP perspective I understand the need to kick off the caldari gallente war but, I guess again RP, its going to hurt the caldari side when that thing falls due to "starvation".
Think about it from a military perspective and you will see where I am coming from.
They jumped the titan in so they can jump in a jump freighter too.
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Slanty McGarglefist
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nathvas
1. The Capitiol of any nation is coveted and protected insansly above all else. your telling me a single. SINGLE Titan supported fleet was able to entire the Gallente capitol system when there for sure be a titan or two in the capitiol system. I mean look at the larger alliances. Most have 4-8 titans with dozens of support carriers, moms and dreads. So basically Bob with its 8 titans has the military might to come in and crush all the empire nations is what you are saying?
Because Rome defended its capital this way right?
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Ryoji Tanakama
Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nathvas
1. The Capitiol of any nation is coveted and protected insansly above all else. your telling me a single. SINGLE Titan supported fleet was able to entire the Gallente capitol system when there for sure be a titan or two in the capitiol system. I mean look at the larger alliances. Most have 4-8 titans with dozens of support carriers, moms and dreads. So basically Bob with its 8 titans has the military might to come in and crush all the empire nations is what you are saying?
Arguably a single gun prompted the french to surrender Paris, depending on how cynical your viewpoint is.
~Ryoji Tanakama |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 11/06/2008 13:20:28
Originally by: Jacob Mei
So the caldari lost hundreds of ships to secure a planet in a system that is the capital of gallente space.... kinda a waste of resources wasnt it? I mean cant the gallente setup a blockade or simply not permit caldari ships from entering the system?
Im not sayin that it wasnt a moral boost for the caldari people but in the long term they have a titan baby sitting a planet that can easily be locked off from the rest of the galaxy, seems to me like a tactical mistake that is going to come back to bite the caldari in the ass if you ask me.
The Minmatar/Thukker fleets did the same thing, except they hit MUTIPLE home worlds.
I though it was kinda ballsy, to charge in and leave your own space vulnerable too - however you have to think about it.
The first attack was to disable Concord, in sheer force. Concord very quickly reestablished their comm networks and stopped the fighting - think about that for a moment.
The reason why they dove in so hard and so recklessly, is because they knew that this was nothing more than a window to attack. That's why - they knew they had a small window, and used extreme force, to ensure they hit their targets incredibly hard, before this window closes.
Which, could rise another question. The Mercenary Thukker/Minmatar fleets - the Pirates got involved. The It was thought that Guristas Pirates and Mordus Legion was working with the Caldari in this - was the Caldari behind all of this? Did the Caldari hire the mercenaries that took out Yulai HQ?
The Caldari for a long time have wanted to reclaim their old homeworld, and they have the resources to do this - it makes sense they would hire mercs to attack Concord as well, what sane Empire would directly and openly attack Concord?
Originally, in the start, the Minmatar appeared to be involved - but Concord said those fleets were mercenaries, not Minmatar Fleet. If any Minmatar got involved, it was later, due to inspiration.
If the Caldari WAS behind this, I would imagine their relationship with the Amarr Empire would be a mess.
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Azia Burgi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:39:00 -
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The Caldari Navy are building a station in orbit. I would guess the titan is only there until work on the station has been completed.
What incentive is there for Caldari to fight in FW? We have already won all our objectives: independance from Gallente control and Caldari Prime back under Caldari rule. Nothing to do but sell ammo to the minmatar and amarr now.
Azia Burgi
http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
BP Profit Calculator
EVE Cemetery |
Azia Burgi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:43:00 -
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Also the surrender was declared before CONCORD was restored, thus Caldari Prime is officially Caldari terrority.
Azia Burgi
http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
BP Profit Calculator
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Ravenal
The Fated
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Doesn't the name Caldari Prime indicate some kind of importance this planet has for the Caldari?
Thats what ****** thought about Stalingrad ... (no offense meant)
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Gnulpie
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nathvas
All I'm gonna say is lawl at the bad Story line.
1. The Capitiol of any nation is coveted and protected insansly above all else. your telling me a single. SINGLE Titan supported fleet was able to entire the Gallente capitol system ... So basically Bob with its 8 titans has the military might to come in and crush all the empire nations is what you are saying?
2. The Caldari navy just happened to have a titan supported fleet ready to assualt the Gallente while the Concord was shut down? Not possible.
1) Yes, quite ridiculous.
2) That is the right question. How could the Caldari that quickly deploy all that massive fleet? How was it possible that no one noticed the amassment before? Did the Caldari know that the Thukker fleet would invade Yulai and destroy a central station there? Good threads to deploy fine RP
But I agree, the Caldari Prime story was a bit too strong and overdone.
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quickshot89
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Azia Burgi
What incentive is there for Caldari to fight in FW? We have already won all our objectives: independance from Gallente control and Caldari Prime back under Caldari rule. Nothing to do but sell ammo to the minmatar and amarr now.
1) we left gallente control before the last war
2)caldari prime may be ours, but we need to defend it
3) we can class the amarr as allies in a sense, so we can fight with them
4)we must kill all gallente 
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Arvald
The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow
Edited by: DeadRow on 11/06/2008 09:08:57
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
It's the Caldari Homeworld....it was in Gallante hands since the last war....
It was the Caldari Homeworld. They moved, starting a war over a planet is hardly a smart thing to do. And what good has it given the Caldari people? They took a single world, which is still inside now enemy territory. And the incursion into Gallente Federation is most likely illegal anyways as it was taken during the CONCORD outage, I wouldn't be surpised if it changing hands back to its former owner.
edit: Thought this was the IGS -_-
has everyone forgotten about that little mothership incident?
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: DeadRow
Edited by: DeadRow on 11/06/2008 09:08:57
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
It's the Caldari Homeworld....it was in Gallante hands since the last war....
It was the Caldari Homeworld. They moved, starting a war over a planet is hardly a smart thing to do. And what good has it given the Caldari people? They took a single world, which is still inside now enemy territory. And the incursion into Gallente Federation is most likely illegal anyways as it was taken during the CONCORD outage, I wouldn't be surpised if it changing hands back to its former owner.
edit: Thought this was the IGS -_-
has everyone forgotten about that little mothership incident?
Which one?
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Ramon Sohei
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
You know what's coming now don't you? If the Federation can't have it it's time to roll out the stellar converters.
That's exactly how I played MOO. Oh I miss those days... |
Slanty McGarglefist
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:32:00 -
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Caldari brewed coffee. It's why the Galenteans took it over in the first place. |
Yann Ephemere
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Yann Ephemere on 11/06/2008 14:51:08
I would like to point out the following:
While Luminaire was doubtless well-defended, the Caldari threw its entire Navy at it. "capital ships from every corporation", "thousands of ships in the armada", "*at least* one Titan-class vessel" are the quotes I recall from the Scope. They left nothing to defend their territory. So yes, if you took all the Caldari ships generally spread out all over their space and used them all to attack a single system -- yes, they would probably win, especially if you managed to effectively lock down that system from reinforcements.
Also, it seemed pretty clear that the Caldari have been gearing up for war ever since Heth came into power. Reports of their manufacturing facilities going at full steam were made public. As to the fact that the fleet was already massed and ready to go...there are plenty of mysterious circumstances here already. Where did Heth get the money from to buy his way into power? Why did the Sisters of EVE suddenly reveal the presence of the Starkmanirs? It's no stretch to posit that Somebody has been pulling strings to start a war, and from that it's trivial to assume that this same Somebody tipped off Heth that CONCORD would be out of service yesterday.
And it was pointed out but bears repeating: the President ceded control of Caldari Prime to the Caldari before the CONCORD mandate went up. One assumes this also means the orbit space around Caldari Prime.
Finally, someone was complaining that the war is in essence over already. Well, yes -- faction combat is meant to be something short of full-scale war; there are raids into the other Empire's territory, but not full-scale fleet warfare that could end up obliterating one of the Empires. So CCP gave us a story that leaves the peace severely crippled, but not completely dead.
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.11 15:08:00 -
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~~sun tzu
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Plumpy McPudding
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.11 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Plumpy McPudding on 11/06/2008 15:10:38
More planets!
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