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Akrinos LuCont
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Akrinos LuCont on 11/06/2008 13:22:39
After listening to Warp drive active #39 CCP interviews on Empyrean warfare, the 'just for fun' pew pew dosent really make any sense- unless it has been changed since.
Blowing up ships for the sake of 'Fun' just isnt fun, unless one gets rewarded!- sorry guys an expansion that focuses on warfare and PvP and only get points for missions running just dosent make sense- ive been waiting for this expansion for along time to start playing again, cause well after few corp experiences and PvP in 0.0 space it felt like a waste of time waiting on gate camps and no gain really except for miners and few loot cards from ships...
so iam not sure the logic of NO HONOR points for ship kills during these mission runs- except a huge hype in an expansion pack on new mission running strategy game facelift.
sorry iam not impressed-ill just keep skilling my character until a better expansion comes along....
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Slanty McGarglefist
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:25:00 -
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I'm honor farming for S1 Gladiator gears. Leaves me be!!!
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:26:00 -
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all the fun in pvp is killing other ships tbh :)
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CrayC
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:28:00 -
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If you were awarded points per kill, this is how it would be exploitet...
1. Join both sides with 2nd account or friend
2. Engage in cheap ships
3. ???
4. Profit |
Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:32:00 -
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PVP is the reward. |
HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:32:00 -
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Griefing others is the best reward...
You wanting some rewards / cookies / treats / pat on the head is weird tbh... what are you a dog or something? 
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Akrinos LuCont
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
PVP is the reward.
if PVP is your reward, go join a corp and defend 0.0 space or pirate...been there done that.
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Nina Ktakorr
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:45:00 -
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loot? 
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Megan Maynard
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akrinos LuCont
Originally by: Gypsio III
PVP is the reward.
if PVP is your reward, go join a corp and defend 0.0 space or pirate...been there done that.
Fun is done correctly. Sadly most just join a big alliance and blob people. FUN! no screw that.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:48:00 -
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The reward comes when there's a news report about your faction's glorious victories and you say to yourself "I was there"
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:52:00 -
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Honor points? Hah, what game do you think this is?
Wait, don't answer that.
Blowing up ships for the sake of fun is not necessarily everyone's cup of tea, sure. But I've found that nothing else in this game gives the same adrenaline rush as making a jump into a hostile system with your friends, committing to a do or die assault. Even when on the losing side of a fight, it's still cool to see everyone acknowledge that the fight was a good one.
For 0.0, most of the point is the empire building aspect. Here you have the empire already built for you, all the structure is there to support everyone. It's the part above that makes PVP fun (at least for me), and I hope EA brings that to folks in the game who haven't experienced it yet.
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Akrinos LuCont
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Akrinos LuCont on 11/06/2008 13:58:38
ummmm- not sure if you guys have been paying attention where CCP is going with this. BUT, your honor points (faction points, cookies,or burgers) whatevere u want to call it...are for the militant shop in base station and groovy little rank signias they've designed for your faction...
with that said- keep commenst here pertatining to game expansion.
ty.
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Pliskkenn
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The reward comes when there's a news report about your faction's glorious victories and you say to yourself "I was there"
This man speaks the truth.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Fun is done correctly. Sadly most just join a big alliance and blob people. FUN! no screw that.
Blob is the way pvp is done correctly. CCP have done nothing about that.
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Mining Vag
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:08:00 -
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That sounds a little to close to WoW for me. no thnx. fine how it is.
We got KB. Last thing we need is honor points to show whos the leetest and has skillz. ha.
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Plumpy McPudding
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:11:00 -
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So let me get this straight, you want welfare T2 mods now?
Am I doing this rite???
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itasteofcheese
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akrinos LuCont
Edited by: Akrinos LuCont on 11/06/2008 13:58:38
ummmm- not sure if you guys have been paying attention where CCP is going with this. BUT, your honor points (faction points, cookies,or burgers) whatevere u want to call it...are for the militant shop in base station and groovy little rank signias they've designed for your faction...
with that said- keep commenst here pertatining to game expansion.
ty.
honor points? this is eve not wow go back to kk
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Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 11/06/2008 14:16:42
The reward for me is in helping to secure freedom and democracy. [/rp]
Oh well, I went out just now in a Rifter, secured a site in Caldari territory, and on the way back to my new home system in Placid I ganked two Caldari militia people trying to take over Gallente sites (in separate engagements). Managed to pod the second one. I had fun.
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The reward comes when there's a news report about your faction's glorious victories and you say to yourself "I was there"
Until you run out of ships and isk at which point it becomes "I was almost there but I had to go ratting/missioning to make some iskies". |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:19:00 -
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To the OP. This isn't WoW - it never was going to be like that. This is what you get for listening to all the armageddon-EVE panic posts. |
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Akrinos LuCont
Blowing up ships for the sake of 'Fun' just isnt fun
YOU SHUT YOUR ***** MOUTH! |
Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:23:00 -
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I thought you had to set your own goals and rewards in this game  |
Sydonis
Xoth Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:28:00 -
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Ah... but at least you're helping your faction - they can't do their missions if they die before they get there, right?
Admittedly, I'd like there to be a certain number of points for each player ship class killed, double for tech 2 or faction, but I doubt they'll add that or they'll end up with a bloodbath (not a bad thing to be honest and something I suspect may happen anyhow).
I've dropped out of alliance warfare for now, myself, so this is looking like it will be fun... might even be looking to join a new corp to help in the fight... just trying to decide which side to join now... I'm thinking gallente atm... since all the newbies are usually Caldari.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Originally by: Akrinos LuCont
Blowing up ships for the sake of 'Fun' just isnt fun
YOU SHUT YOUR ***** MOUTH!
Why? Does his opinion somehow hurt you?
In any case, I have to agree, pew pew just for the sake of pew pew, in a point and click game? Come on.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:46:00 -
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You only get honor points when you fit your lowslots with cargoexpanders.
After two million honorpoints you can get a epic sword of awsomeness.
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Mikhail Valrena
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
You only get honor points when you fit your lowslots with cargoexpanders.
After two million honorpoints you can get a epic sword of awsomeness.
Bonus points if done in a Dreadnaught....
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Peter Powers
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.06.11 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akrinos LuCont
Blowing up ships for the sake of 'Fun' just isnt fun, unless one gets rewarded!-
i dont agree with that, however: you get killmails as reward,
also from what i understood it affects your standings.
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so iam not sure the logic of NO HONOR points for ship kills during these mission runs- except a huge hype in an expansion pack on new mission running strategy game facelift.
sorry iam not impressed-ill just keep skilling my character until a better expansion comes along....
if you need some sort of points - guess what almost all killboard softwares calculate killpoints one way or the other.
stop crying, get fighting.
I love CCP Morpheus<3 xXx CCP Morpheus xXx <3
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.11 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 11/06/2008 15:35:29
pfft, new page..
Originally by: mentalmonkey
If you think PVP in EVE is just point and click you are doing something wrong, something VERY wrong. GBT...CS:S? Anywho PVP in eve is never just for the sake of pew pew, least of all in FW there are ranks, systems to hold, standings, news feeds and RP value.
I don't think "PvP in Eve" is a point and click game, I think "Eve" is a point and click game. And it is, as far as flying spaceships go.
CS and it's ilk, are shoebox shooters. Dunno what GBT is?
Doesn't mean they're bad games, I think they are pretty good, in fact.
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Lysianna
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Posted - 2008.06.11 15:41:00 -
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People are so spoiled these days that nothing you do can please them. Honor system in space? What the heck lol... It's EVE, killing people and podding them is the best reward ever.
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King Mitsubishi
Mythos Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.11 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akrinos LuCont
Edited by: Akrinos LuCont on 11/06/2008 15:39:38
Edited by: Akrinos LuCont on 11/06/2008 15:30:22
hmmm...
eve:spending countless hours looking at a rock while gathering minerals
wow: slashing away boars, and animals across the land
not much there
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eve:join corp/alliance to protect territory and have your miners build ships for your alliance that you will never fly, due to high price on skillbooks..
wow: joing guild to enter raids and instances for purple gear
do i really want a second job?
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eve: do countless missions to get blueprints.
wow: enter BGs and fight to get honor points for gear.
hmmm...sounds like fun.
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eve:sign up into warfare for controlled pvp missions and protect factions space to gain honorable graphic signias & read up on a new eve paperback!while you wait in gate for nubs.
and recall to my friends how much fun that was.
wow:enter arena pvp to get honor points for more lucrative armor and gear.
i know the answer to this...
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After this post I realised that saying "Go back to Wow" is sometimes justified.
So, go back to WoW!
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Archon T'orn
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Posted - 2008.06.11 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
in a point and click game?
Um... isn't every computer game point and click? |
Pardack
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.11 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Archon T'orn
Originally by: Qui Shon
in a point and click game?
Um... isn't every computer game point and click?
No, no* and no**!
* = Fiery MUD, online for over 15 years
** = Retro BBS Games
Kids these days... |
Zev'Nar
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Posted - 2008.06.11 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zev''Nar on 11/06/2008 17:02:28
I think if you replace HONOR points with LP Points this won't be the flamefest this is becoming.
People play the game for different reasons.
On WDA ZuluPark said there will be Militia LP rewards only available to people who partake in FW.
So yes, you could grind FW LP for various shiny toys.
Oh yeah, if this was just a Troll post, it worked!!
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statanspawn
Infected.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 17:24:00 -
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wow -> that way |
Meteor Crash
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Posted - 2008.06.11 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Meteor Crash on 11/06/2008 17:54:35
You do get rewards. The reward comes in form of juicy loot your targets will be dropping if you do it correctly and find the right ones.
I wish killing people in WoW dropped their items, a la UO.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.11 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zev'Nar
I think if you replace HONOR points with LP Points this won't be the flamefest this is becoming!
Yes but the OP made a WoW reference, hence, the flames are justified. 
When I started playing Eve I figured out within the first ten minutes that nothing I might have learned from WoW applied in Eve. Even though that's beyond completely obvious some people have a hard time with the concept that Eve and WoW are both MMOs - and the similarities stop there.
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Akrinos LuCont
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.11 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Meteor Crash
Edited by: Meteor Crash on 11/06/2008 17:54:35
You do get rewards. The reward comes in form of juicy loot your targets will be dropping if you do it correctly and find the right ones.
umm we kinda do that already. nothing new here 2 see, move along...
id like to see CCP motivate me to use my guns on my ship, not move my account elsewhere.
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Archon T'orn
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Posted - 2008.06.11 18:09:00 -
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GB2WOW |
Dramaticus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 18:16:00 -
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HONOR, GLORY, HONOUR |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.11 19:06:00 -
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why should eve have such a horrible system?
you get LP, why isn't that enough for you? |
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Janni th'Gait
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Posted - 2008.06.11 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akrinos LuCont
Edited by: Akrinos LuCont on 11/06/2008 15:39:38
Edited by: Akrinos LuCont on 11/06/2008 15:30:22
hmmm...
eve:spending countless hours looking at a rock while gathering minerals
wow: slashing away boars, and animals across the land
not much there
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eve:join corp/alliance to protect territory and have your miners build ships for your alliance that you will never fly, due to high price on skillbooks..
wow: joing guild to enter raids and instances for purple gear
do i really want a second job?
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eve: do countless missions to get blueprints.
wow: enter BGs and fight to get honor points for gear.
hmmm...sounds like fun.
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eve:sign up into warfare for controlled pvp missions and protect factions space to gain honorable graphic signias & read up on a new eve paperback!while you wait in gate for nubs.
and recall to my friends how much fun that was.
wow:enter arena pvp to get honor points for more lucrative armor and gear.
i know the answer to this...
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I really don't understand this mentality. If you want to play WoW, Blizzard will always take your money. Go pay $15 and play the game you want to play. The world has nothing to gain from having both WoW and "WoW in Space."
EVE will be EVE. WoW will be WoW. Play whichever one you like better (which seems to be WoW, at this point.) Don't try to turn EVE into WoW for whatever reason. We don't care which game you play.
The rest of us will continue paying and playing EVE Online, the game we signed up for.
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.11 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Akrinos LuCont
Originally by: Meteor Crash
Edited by: Meteor Crash on 11/06/2008 17:54:35
You do get rewards. The reward comes in form of juicy loot your targets will be dropping if you do it correctly and find the right ones.
umm we kinda do that already. nothing new here 2 see, move along...
id like to see CCP motivate me to use my guns on my ship, not move my account elsewhere.
I'm gonna be on the early side here...
Can I have your stuff?
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Archon T'orn
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Archon T'orn
Originally by: Qui Shon
in a point and click game?
Um... isn't every computer game point and click?
No, no* and no**!
* = Fiery MUD, online for over 15 years
** = Retro BBS Games
Kids these days...
lmao @ zork
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Forge Lag
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:05:00 -
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So your point is WoW is much more *fun* game? It is. Some time ago they removed diminishing returns on honor gain because player kills became meaningless in their PvP system.
Player kills.... meaningless. Let that sink in.
And than you have EvE with no honor gain for killing players, yet... Let it sink some more.
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Alt Sauce
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:09:00 -
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PvP and PvP rewards had NO change in FW. FW is PvP just like low-sec/0.0, you do it for fun/loot/territory.
Nothing has changed. This is just a new portal to pew pew.
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mcnuggetlol
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:21:00 -
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Screw rewards, FW's the most fun I've had in EVE for months  |
Orb Lati
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 01:01:00 -
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Most people don't honor tank combat ships, and if you have no Honor modules how do you expect to harvest honor from the battlefield? |
Archon T'orn
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati
Most people don't honor tank combat ships, and if you have no Honor modules how do you expect to harvest honor from the battlefield?
Seriously, this.
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Varitus
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:44:00 -
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I remember those honor points, those were the things you collected while afk right? |
Drea Archae
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Varitus
I remember those honor points, those were the things you collected while afk right?
Yeah, but only when also undocked with cargo expanders fitted...
Have to meet all 3 for honor points. |
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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:10:00 -
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1. Go for targets which are worth killing (i.e. they drop good loot).
2. Try to ransom.
3. ???
4. Reward!
Right, that's a different kind of PVP, it's not something that CCP implemented but a way players play the game, it was in the game before and to some known as piracy. But that's the way you get reward for PVP in EVE - besides having fun blowing up stuff of course. And if that isn't fun for you ... have you tried mining? |
No'akai
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:32:00 -
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I'm actually inclined to agree with the OP. Currently, FW (to me) is:
1. Enlist with militia.
2. Talk to Agent
3. ???
4. Profit
As you've might have guessed, the "???" part is the FW missions itself, which generates a reward.
EvE is about profit, wether its through piracy, mining, PvP or mission running, and i think that the "???" part, should include FW PvP too, be it that they generate the same rewards as the FW missions, or be it another system, that gives profit depending on acomplishments (say battles participated in, victories, losses, shiftings in occupancy of a system/region.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:37:00 -
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Wtf is an honor point and why on earth would you want one?
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