With Zydrine the sky is the limit!

Ships will go up in price after a while.

from the test server for the patch that's coming out this week.

This is a market manipulation, not a supply and demand issue.

A Nyx uses 825K Zydrine
A Nyx uses 1.1 Billion Trit.

Zydrine is over rated.

Before drone regions, wasn't Zydrine always over 1k per unit?

It's either a manipulation attempt or someone trying to get a position while they can before drone poop changes, perhaps both.

It's cornering.

http://eve.grismar.net/ore/

Zydrine doesn't come from compounds, it comes from reproc and ore.

Good lord...that hasn't been updated since Feb 2007...

It's cornering.

http://eve.grismar.net/ore/

Zydrine doesn't come from compounds, it comes from reproc and ore.

No no..it is not market manipulation...it is due to Incursions.
Did you not know that EVERYTHING happening in the game that can be construed as negative is due to Incursions?
And everything positive in the game was due to opposition to Incursions?

Did you not know that global warming and the bank collapse in Europe was NOT due to the u.s banks peddling bad paper, but in reality was due to Incursions?

/facepalm

Huge, huge /facepalm. You should really learn how to play EVE-Online before you try to act like you know something. Because you don't know anything.

Well i bought pretty much everything in Provi that was between 745-900, so even if it goes back to 700 its not a terrible loss. Just waiting to see how far this rides out, may hold it for a while.

Shame inside info is being leaked like this though, especially if it's by a CSM who are not allowed to profit from insider info...or even say anything to anyone about any changes like this. If insider info was released it should def be looked in to...because what OTHER info are they privy to that will completely change the market.

Before drone regions, wasn't Zydrine always over 1k per unit?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79535&find=unread

Up as high as 1300+ as I recall, and that with a much smaller monetary base.

so will this mean alloys and compounds will be removed from EVE pretty much entirely? or will there still be a way to recive them like just from drone bunkers and the like?

It's like being back in the old days...

Shouldn't this post reside in the Market Discussion forum? GD seems like a bad place for it...

LOL
Gee, you got me. I feels so foolish. Oh wait, I have 23 mill Zydrine in Jita.
Blow me.

before the drone regions, zyd was trading for around 3500 if i remember right. zyd was the bread n butter of 0.0 mining

New sisi dump suggest drone getting bounties.

Buy zydrine now !!!!

Forgive my lack of knowledge about the Mineral Market and its effects on costs.

What do people speculate this means for the game? How will this effect the market?

before the drone regions, zyd was trading for around 3500 if i remember right. zyd was the bread n butter of 0.0 mining

I don't remember it that high. I know that 1700-1800 was the Dec 2009 price range.

Anyone have a market site with deeper history then EVEMarketeer?

I don't remember it that high. I know that 1700-1800 was the Dec 2009 price range.

Anyone have a market site with deeper history then EVEMarketeer?

I dug into our internal records just for the fun of it. Zydrine traded in the 3,700 to 3,900 range throughout most of 2006, peaking around 4,200 in April of that year. A log entry in our archives dated April 16, 2006 shows two blocks of Zydrine being sold at a price of 4,249 per unit. This may approximate the time and price at which Zydrine peaked. Following the "Revelations" patch, Zyd tumbled to 3,050 per unit by December 31, 2006 and continued plunging to its all-time low of near 700 per unit last year.

With the Rorqual, the low price of the Hulk compared to 2006, the minerals anomalies and the masses of miners in 0.0, I guess the zyrine price will rise over 1000, but not over 2000 in mid term. It's actually safer to mine in 0.0 than in high sec now. I predict a huge press on the mineral market in the future too.

Well, you can make a safe assumption: The ISK/hr from mining ABCs in null-sec will need to approach the ISK/hr from ratting or running anoms. Assume that you'll have good Orca/Rorqual support and that each Hulk will pull 150k m3 of ore per hour.

As a rough guess, that means a target income of around 90M ISK/hr per hulk pilot

As a rough guess, that means a target income of around 90M ISK/hr per hulk pilot.

Crokite and bistot produce a lot of zydrine and I gather they're a little more prevalent than arkanor.

This is a market manipulation, not a supply and demand issue.

A Nyx uses 825K Zydrine
A Nyx uses 1.1 Billion Trit.

Zydrine is over rated.

To the drum of all of Gurista space has only 1 sytstem with naturally occuring Arkonor. That system is 9p40.

[quote=Skydell
So... because you need more trit Zydrine is worthless?

At 350 isk/m3 (current levels), I get 1860 zyd and 2430 meg
At 500 isk/m3 (roughly 54-60 mil/hr), I get 2760 zyd and 3420 meg
At 650 isk/m3 (roughly 70-78 mil/hr), I get 3670 zyd and 4410 mega

Today
Trit 4.58 Pye 5.31 Mex 54.96 Iso 73.74 Nocx 567 Zyd 1173 Mega 2733 Morph 498

Guesses
Trit 5.00 Pye 6.00 Mex 60 Iso 100 Nocx 500 Zyd 2200 Mega 3600 Morph 650
Veld 150 Scor 133 Pyro 173 Plag 170 Omb 110 Kern 181 Croc 406 Bist 426 Ark 48

So... because you need more trit Zydrine is worthless? I'm digging your logic. I'll take your Zydrine off your hands if you don't want it.

Things that use Zydrine require very little of it. many things don't require any Zydrine at all (T2 Heavy Missle Launchers)

And that point is irrelevant since you didn't consider supply too. Supply of zydrine is much lower and harder than supply of trit.

That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc.

Reprocessing drone poo. That apparently will change.

That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc. Even if they do remove drone poo, they nerfed NOS years ago and smartbombs were never any good. Drop loots on off meta emissions transfer loot, NOS type mods and smartbombs alone will carry Zydrine demand. People might have stopped looting it because of Drone poo markets but once drone poo is gone, people will start running loot reproc sales again. We have never been in a shortage of Zydrine in EVE.

then off to buy 2000 tornados

look at this idiot who thinks mods take up any appreciable amount of minerals

To the Exhumers! Everyone!

[...] I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.

Add to that a few thousand hisec mission runners who currently blitz their missions rather than loot them.

Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.

... which wont' change in the least.. since mission loot got it's very own nerf well over a year ago (read: no stockpiles left from that source)... so not like taking the time to loot missions will suddenly improve mission profits versus straight blitzing.

Get used to it kiddies... Zydrine... and Nox (again, major source is drone alloys)... are about to rise steadily for a good, long run.

Mook

Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.

ahahahahahahaha look at the pathetic "i ratted in null!" guy

Will we see Zydrine Sell at less than 800 in the next 3 weeks ?

It never really applied until l now but

You mad?

The best part of reproc assisted mining for T1 minerals is, you can't really bot the process. CCP might want to think about reversing the level 4 mission loot nerf though.

Will we see Zydrine Sell at less than 800 in the next 3 weeks ?

And that's the problem here. The loot nerf hasn't been reversed. Hence, mission loot and all that other stuff isn't the flood of zydrine that you think it is.

The best part of reproc assisted mining for T1 minerals is, you can't really bot the process. CCP might want to think about reversing the level 4 mission loot nerf though.

Indeed, mission loot should only be a source of two (2) things: Named T1 mods and salvage for the "rigs" industry -- but not a minerals "industry" unto itself.

The problem is not that drone loot is a source of minerals, the problem is that it is too big a percentage as a source of minerals, which has depressed mineral values too much and marginalized mining as a career choice. (The same applies to module drops from regular rats.) Supplemental sources of materials serve as a useful checks-and-balances, as long as they don't drown out the primary source.

What CCP could also do is change reprocessing to rely more heavily on the Scrapmetal Processing skill rather then making it so easy to get 99.5% of your minerals back with just Refine V and Refine Eff V. Maybe the reprocessing skill needs to be nerfed slightly so that you you need Refine V + Refine Eff V + Scrapmetal Processing IV in order to get 100% at a 50% refinery. Which would probably push down the amount you get back by 5-10% across the board.

This would be a severe nerf to nullsec which must do with 35% and 40% refineries generally. A better nerf would be changing highsec refineries to 40%.

People are already putting stacks back onto the market now. Oh the impatience :p

Zydrine should easily clear 2,500 ISK and should peak around 4,000 - 5,000 ISK


The peak price will depend on how much Zydrine is held by speculators.

Based on what exactly? Frankly I find those figures ridiculously optimistic.
Im expecting short term prices to hit 2500-2700 with peaks @ 3000/unit.

By inferno we should see prices settingly around the 2300-2500.unit sell mark.

I base this off pre- drone region experience of prices, the advent of new tech in mining and the sheer volume of stockpiled Zydrine. I lived out in drone poop land for a couple of years so im well aware of the volume that was produced by gun mining out there. It was large, probably larger then most people realise or acknowledge here.

But 5k/u sounds awefully optimistic.

Pre-drone regions zydrine sat comfortably at 3,200-3,400 for a long time. It only really peaked to 5k+ when everyone and their grandmothers was building dreads.

With all the speculators I can see it peak 4k, but then again people have been stock piling zydrine for a very long time. Even way before any of the rumors started flying around. So I can see that will help feed the market for a long time and create a nice downward force on the price. In maybe a year we could see all the stock dry up and the supply/demand really balancing.

But yeah 5k-8k unlikely, 4k range I could see, over 2,500 no doubt.

By inferno we should see prices settingly around the 2300-2500.unit sell mark.

I base this off pre- drone region experience of prices, the advent of new tech in mining and the sheer volume of stockpiled Zydrine. I lived out in drone poop land for a couple of years so im well aware of the volume that was produced by gun mining out there. It was large, probably larger then most people realise or acknowledge here.

But 5k/u sounds awefully optimistic.

I like how in here we've got people pooing on the idea of zyd even hitting 4k, and in the other thread we've got someone so adamantly invested in the idea of it hitting 13k that he claims to have invested a third of a trillion into it.


Clearly no one has a clue and we're all just guessing.

There are other factors though, such as supercap proliferation as Mookie mentioned. Insurance nerfs also mean that minerals are not nearly as well basketed. Mission loot has been messed with since then. Probably other factors that I'm forgetting or overlooking.

"it was 3200-3400 before the drone regions" is certainly a starting point, but all of these factors add up to make it only a very rough one, IMO.

Not that hard to make an educated guess.

If zydrine costed 3,200-3,400 before drone regions, then dropped to 740 after drone regions, its very very likely it will end up there after the removal of drone changes.

Just because one ret4rd said 13k, doesn't mean educated common sense estimates are bad. That guy has nothing logical to backup his claims, other than his confidence lol.

EDIT: corestwo we can't be mean to him, he might ask for our resignation from the forums for cyber bullying him.

For someone who claims to have invested a third of a trillion into zyd, you sure are an idiot about how the market works.

I see a high of 10k listed in the market tables, but all that means is that someone for some reason tried to buy some for 10k a unit, and in that situation the market goes "okay" and sells it to the buyer for that price. That doesn't mean that the market hit 10k. Furthermore, the highest order actually on the market (aside from the single billion isk unit) tops out in the 3k range and there are numerous orders below it that are several days or weeks old.


For someone who claims to have invested a third of a trillion into zyd, you sure are an idiot about how the market works.

You sound angry.

You also seemto keep reiterating the word 'claim'.

I guess that's as good a coping mechanism as any.

Sammy

Idiocy in others sometimes has that effect on me.


And yes, claim. Just as I claim to have a mere 35 million units of zyd, you claim to have 340 billion worth. Without proof, that's all it is.

How long is it going to take to liquidate that much Zyd? Haven't made anything until it is sold.

Ah...I understand now.

You're angry because you can't understand how I amassed so much over time. As a result you think I"m lying.

I don't mind. If zydrine goes to nearly 4k, I make around 1.2 trillion profit. If it goes to say 5k, I make 1.5tn.

I'm predicting 13k from past experience of price changes fluxuating wildly over 10 fold (robotics, nocx as examples) when the game mechanics are changed.

I suspect you secretly hope I"m right. Regardless if I'm right or wrong, every time zyd goes up 1 isk, I make a significant amount of money. But even at your naysayers (they remind me of apple-haters), 4k would net me a healthy profit, but I'm looking for obscene profits...for me and of course for yourself as well. People are always much more pleasant and happy when they get superrich. I hope you make a bankload of money to the point you don't care about what you will do in eve.

For myself, I'm going to plex my 5 accounts for 5 years (300 plex in all) and just see what CCP holds in store. Last time I plexed was for 2 years. It's nice not worrying about bills or accounts about to go under.



Sam

13000K?! What a load of complete rubbish.

Abaddon

Current refine breakeven: 192279511.52
Refine breakeven with Zydrine @ 13000: 285636511.52

If Zydrine was selling at 13000, and you can buy an Abbadon for less than 285 million, you buy the Abbadon, refine it into its raw materials, then sell them for a profit.

This will supply the zydrine market and drive prices down again.

The only way that zydrine could sell at 13000 is if all battleships went up in price by at least 40 million, some by more.

Idiocy in others sometimes has that effect on me.


And yes, claim. Just as I claim to have a mere 35 million units of zyd, you claim to have 340 billion worth. Without proof, that's all it is.

So tell me, am I missing something huge? Or is this really just a thread for speculators' daydreaming?

I'd say you're correct. The one thing we don't know is if all that mining capcity can be turned to mining minerals. As yet we do not know if "ring mining" will be able to pull both base minerals and moon minerals. It is my hope CCP does not do that, although having both types in the same belt might be ok.

None of this is really meant to rain on the parade of speculators, I'm sure short-term investment opportunities will continue to be plentiful as we await the next expansion. I just wish more of the market discussions here were at least partly based on at least rough quantitative analysis instead of just guesswork and wishful thinking.

Also, it is Eve, so there is always some self serving bias in just about any estimation.

As someone who regularly reads self-serving bias in estimation IRL, I can assure you this is not unique to EVE.

We lack a lot of the hard production numbers to get beyond general guesses, much of the quantitative facts thrown around are guesses them selves. Also, it is Eve, so there is always some self serving bias in just about any estimation.

It seems clear to me that, unless you expect CCP to seriously nerf mining (seems implausible) or some comparably unrealistic changes to the game, there is no way mineral prices can realistically keep some of the values suggested in this thread, even from a simplistic miner-centric analysis. Any consideration of reprocessing, etc., would only impose further constraints

So tell me, am I missing something huge? Or is this really just a thread for speculators' daydreaming?

Buy Zydrine and Nocxium before it's too late, and swim in riches.

[quote=Shalaava]


Also mining will become a mandatory hard requirement for ships, and because of the basket and access requirements, that equates to an actual person doing a couple of hours of mining for every battlecruiser loss. ie the current highsec daily trade in battlecruisers alone is probably worth 10,000 man hours in mining daily under this new plan. The basket requirements for all of this stuff will drag the lowends along with the highends.

Prices will simply rise until they hurt consumption.

Until now, anomalies giving more ISK than mining. When you are a miner in 0.0 you have to provide:

a hauler char/a bonus char
a tank char
a miner

With 2 pilots in 2 tengus, a skilled pilot makes in anomalies 40million/tick. So the prices for minerals will be rising.

Also with the increasing profitability of minerals, you'll see more corps/alliances battling over wormhole space as well, since every WH provides a nigh daily grav site with ABC ore, and often connections to highsec. This makes getting the ore to highsec easy and safer than getting it there from nullsec, and thus makes WHs a much desired asset in the months to come. You'll see a lot of mining in C1s and C2s.

You're going to be seeing a lot more mining corporations in all parts of EVE, and most noticeably in nullsec, doing more than just supplying their own alliance's goods, but also shipping more of it off to highsec. If I were you, I'd be investing in Hulks, Orcas, and Rorquals - Not Zydrine.

GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!

Buy orders down to 1300 in JIta. Is that the sound of a bubble bursting?

At three hulks mining crokite in deep blue with 1800 m3/min apiece, that becomes 55 mil/hr per alt and 165 mil/hour in total.

GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!

Buy orders down to 1300 in JIta. Is that the sound of a bubble bursting?