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Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:40:00 - [31] The only thing I really don't like is that it's free to join or not, whatever you like. It's supposed to be a war right? I doubt you will have a choice to participate or not in a large scale war. Imo, force it upon everyone or leave it out.
Astria Tiphareth	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:40:00 - [32] Please see this whine thread FW if it continues as well as it's started is a great thing. Low-sec finally being populated and pirates having targets that shoot back is great for the game. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Hanneshannes The only thing I really don't like is that it's free to join or not, whatever you like. It's supposed to be a war right? I doubt you will have a choice to participate or not in a large scale war. Imo, force it upon everyone or leave it out. They did this in SWG - it was a total disaster. I suspect CCP learned from that mistake. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
MaDOnos	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Kueijin Legion I saw this and thought I had accidentally logged in to the World of Warcraft forums.I then noticed the forum style and OP's lack of LOL's in the...whatever it is. Scared me there for a bit! This is exactly what I wanted to say.
Kira Direll Niflhel	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:52:00 - [35] Originally by: MaDOnos ...err... stuff. i think. you are great, keep 'em coming! perhaps the vocal majority is happy or at least not "angry" with FW? perhaps thats the reason no one really answers your whiny gibberish? in other news: if you say pre-FW that you gonna "own the FW noobs" and now come crying, like the little baby that you are, that the "FW-noobs" disturb your hauler-ganking, you are making an idiot out of yourself.
Hannobaal Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:03:00 - [36] FW is not being done by a bunch of newbies or carebears. I was very surprised at the large number of corps and individuals whom I know are very heavily into pvp combat that I saw yesterday fighting in the militias.
Valkazm Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:07:00 - [37] this is such a stupid thread its one thing to whine about something that effects everyone .. But whining of something that is an optional thing to even be a part of takes the ultimate price in stupidity ..
MaDOnos	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Hannobaal FW is not being done by a bunch of newbies or carebears. I was very surprised at the large number of corps and individuals whom I know are very heavily into pvp combat that I saw yesterday fighting in the militias. Yeah your right but Most of newbies and carebears are in FW.
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:09:00 - [39] Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 12/06/2008 12:09:17 Originally by: MaDOnos Yeah your right but Most of newbies and carebears are in FW. You really did finish your degree in talking **** this year didn't you. Planning for your masters soon?
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:09:00 - [40] Yesterday I was happily surprised. The system I'm hunting in usually has on a good day around 5-10 people docked up. Now, with FW, players are in space and local goes up to 100 sometimes (average 20-30, spikes to 100). As I usually hunt solo, I'll have to pick my targets so I don't get blobbed too hard but guess what.... I can pick targets now.... before there was nothing to pick. There were the occasional support groups that showed up, 4 or 5 extra ships to help my victim. Or the typical bait ships to lure a pirate and wtfbbqpwn him.... no problems for me, only fun fun fun.... I'm loving it so far. I'll guess the high peaks to 100 will drop down a bit when the weeks will pass but main part for me is that there are people in lowsec!
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:14:00 - [41] Low-sec pirates are the carebears of PvP, while suicide gankers are the macro-miners.
Viqtoria Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:16:00 - [42] nobody cares what you think.
Lt Angus Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Low-sec pirates are the carebears of PvP, while suicide gankers are the macro-miners. Ah yes i remember when the definition of carebear changed
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:21:00 - [44] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 12/06/2008 12:21:57 Originally by: MaDOnos Originally by: Hannobaal FW is not being done by a bunch of newbies or carebears. I was very surprised at the large number of corps and individuals whom I know are very heavily into pvp combat that I saw yesterday fighting in the militias. Yeah your right but Most of newbies and carebears are in FW. Stats pls. Present empirical evidence for the sentence indicating a number or percentage of a group. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:30:00 - [45] Originally by: Lt Angus Ah yes i remember when the definition of carebear changed I thought the definition always was someone who whines and is unwilling to take even the slightest risk... Sounds to me like it fits the OP, and pirates in general quite perfectly. Or are you trying to claim that ganking haulers and easy prey in low-sec constitutes anything but low-risk PvP?
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:30:00 - [46] Edited by: Jakke Logan on 12/06/2008 12:32:15 EA is a fail because it introduces a PVP system that clashes with the rest of the game. It forces you to choose between those you currently play the game with (alliance, corp) and in getting anything out of the expansion. That alone makes it a **** poor idea that never should have made it out of the first design meeting much less into the game. There are many other things wrong with factional warfare, such as the ship restrictions, pathetically poor rewards, long trips for little gain, etc, but they are completely overshadowed by the fact that the foundation the whole thing rests on being broken. They might have gotten by with this had EA had more to it besides FW, but it doesn't. 99.999% of the expansion is a system that the majority of existing PVP'ers can't participate in other than to try to be a griefer of those who do. They at least should have held off factional warfare until they could have introduced the basic parts of ambulation with it, so that there would have been something at least open to everyone in the expansion.
Vivisacia Vivicide	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:32:00 - [47] Originally by: MaDOnos Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 11:34:28 My opinion is Empyrean Age is very very bad. First of all This FW thing is noob thing. Additionaly, did you never think about pirates ? How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel. CCP has to think twice about this FW. People play this game cause this game need experiement. But This FW thing did game like the other bad online games. You can hear this things "Let's go hunt trol", "Don't take my loot you moron!". Also you destroyed the main charecteristic of game. I mean Alliances,base defence or other things. You will see the damage of this thing in the future. I think CCP will destroy the Eve Online by themselves. Not:Pls write messages about FW.Btw Yeah I know my english is bad. I just don't understand how CCP keep going, with posts like this. First pirates whinge that Low sec doesn't have enough targets to shoot at. Now they whinge there's too many. First PvEers said Low Sec had no worth so no reason to go there. Now they whinge there's too many people there and/or it's the "wrong" kind of incentive. Honestly, this is just nuts Cadlari? FW? Alt?
Hannobaal Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: Lt Angus Ah yes i remember when the definition of carebear changed I thought the definition always was someone who whines and is unwilling to take even the slightest risk... Sounds to me like it fits the OP, and pirates in general quite perfectly. Or are you trying to claim that ganking haulers and easy prey in low-sec constitutes anything but low-risk PvP? The OP is not a good representative of low-sec pirates in general in Eve.
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Jakke Logan Edited by: Jakke Logan on 12/06/2008 12:32:15 EA is a fail because it introduces a PVP system that clashes with the rest of the game. It forces you to choose between those you currently play the game with (alliance, corp) and in getting anything out of the expansion. That alone makes it a **** poor idea that never should have made it out of the first design meeting much less into the game. There are many other things wrong with factional warfare, such as the ship restrictions, pathetically poor rewards, long trips for little gain, etc, but they are completely overshadowed by the fact that the foundation the whole thing rests on being broken. They might have gotten by with this had EA had more to it besides FW, but it doesn't. 99.999% of the expansion is a system that the majority of existing PVP'ers can't participate in other than to try to be a griefer of those who do. They at least should have held off factional warfare until they could have introduced the basic parts of ambulation with it, so that there would have been something at least open to everyone in the expansion. Ever considered that FW was designed to aim at people who, A: Is in no corp or is tired of their current one and want to leave. OR B: Is in a corp that like to do things together and therefore signs up to FW together. FW is meant to motivate people to go from group A to to group B. If you are already in group C (active corp that does the whole POS thingy and fight its own wars) there is little point for you to return to previous steps. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Lt Angus Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: Lt Angus Ah yes i remember when the definition of carebear changed I thought the definition always was someone who whines and is unwilling to take even the slightest risk... Sounds to me like it fits the OP, and pirates in general quite perfectly. Or are you trying to claim that ganking haulers and easy prey in low-sec constitutes anything but low-risk PvP? It was someone that avoided combat , and was the opposite of griefer hench the care part but that was many mmorpgs ago. PVP is as risky as you make it and has nothing to do with being a carebear and everything to do with knowing your surroundings, killing easy targets for easy money is just business. Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
sugark Invicta.	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:44:00 - [51] I am not sure what I would call myself on the carebear to pvp'er scale. Have done a lot of industry, missioning, 0.0 combat as well as pirating. But I have to say this patch is great if you look at low-sec. I haven¦t had that much fun in ages and even if there are a lot of people who are not experienced in pvp zooming around - so what? They will pick up fast and things will also get calmer soon. On a different note: Go Gallente! _______________________________________________ Click pic to get a sig!
JamnOne	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Mangala Solaris Babelfish isnt sure what he is on about either. Now this is funny! Hey OP - if you don't like FW, don't participate in combat zones. Not all of low sec is contested space.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:06:00 - [53] I think Empyrean Age is the worst EVE expansion since Grobbargs Beefyhead McStoverfish Attacks the Universe. And because that expansion never existed, Empyrean Age is one of the best expansions.
HellzDuDe	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:24:00 - [54] Here is my beef with FW. This expansion offers me virtually nothing but a few new faction cruisers. I am very happy with the corp I am in, And do not wish to leave it. We are not in an alliance, But The CEO doesnt want to sign us up for FW. SO it effectively eliminates the entire point behind the expansion. Its not like I'll use the new faction cruisers anyway either. Because well.. Lets face it.. They are crap. There should have been more for people who cant get involved in FW. I am extremely disappointed in this release.
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:30:00 - [55] Here is my beef with trinity: It gave better graphics, but my laptop cant handle SM3.0, so no better graphics for me. It gave HICs, but (till FW) i almost only did solo PVP in low sec againt real targets (no hauler ganking), so didnt help me either. Also it gave marauders and black ops, nowhere near the skill for flying them and totally not intrested in flying them. So trinity didnt do anything to help me. I didnt whine. Now we get something that helps me but doesnt help you, and suddenly world is going to end?
HellzDuDe	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:35:00 - [56] I just look forward to working towards stuff I would like to fly etc... Also awaiting additional tech levels or more T2 ships (Myrmidon, lookin at ou)
Modrak Vseth Veto.	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:44:00 - [57] Originally by: Hannobaal The OP is not a good representative of low-sec pirates in general in Eve. ^^ This. I'm LOVING it. There are targets all over the place. I killed a Rifter last night with 25M worth of loot in the hold, that ACTUALLY survived! He may or may not have been related to FW, but I'm pretty sure he felt more confident about attacking a Rapier because of the Rupture I was already fighting that WAS there because of FW. It's also more exciting having these crazy blobs of T1 ships flying around. You really have to stay on your toes now where just 2 weeks ago you could go 30 jumps and see nobody.
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:50:00 - [58] I am still unhappy that alliance arent allowed but at least lowsec is now...kind of target rich :D ( for those times when 0.0 is calm enough )
The TX Earth Inc. Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:50:00 - [59] Chuck Norris doesn't even know what the OP is on about. -------------------- [Signature] [/Signature]
Prisoner 257 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.06.12 14:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Hanneshannes The only thing I really don't like is that it's free to join or not, whatever you like. It's supposed to be a war right? I doubt you will have a choice to participate or not in a large scale war. Imo, force it upon everyone or leave it out. Do a bit of research, even if they did a draft in EvE, not everyone would get called up to fight. There are very few countries that have compulsory military service, and even then people still either get out of it or get put into delivery type jobs at the very backline..

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