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MaDOnos
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 10:57:54
My opinion is Empyrean Age is very very bad. First of all This FW thing is noob thing. Additionaly, did you never think about pirates ? How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
CCP has to think twice about this FW. People play this game cause this game need experiement. But This FW thing did game like the other bad online games. You can hear this things "Let's go hunt trol", "Don't take my loot you moron!". Also you destroyed the main charecteristic of game. I mean Alliances,base defence or other things. You will see the damage of this thing in the future.
I think CCP will destroy the Eve Online by themselves. |
mcnuggetlol
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:58:00 -
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What the hell are you on about? |
Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:58:00 -
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 Originally by: MaDOnos
How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
Waaah waaaah. First you whine over not enough targets and say careabears are noobs before FW. Now you biatch and moan about they kick your rearend. Learn to PvP if ganking haulers is all you can. |
Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:58:00 -
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Why? are you wanting more solo ganks? |
Mangala Solaris
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:00:00 -
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Babelfish isnt sure what he is on about either. |
touchvill
The Pikey Rebellion II
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: touchvill on 12/06/2008 11:01:17
As someone who is roaming around in a tech I frig for ****s and gigles I must say it's awesome.
Yes militia's are full of noobs and clueless people who think they know whats what but you don't have to fly with them.
As for the pirate whine, lol get over it, you guys made the bed you guys sleep in it. |
Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: mcnuggetlol
What the hell are you on about?
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MaDOnos
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:02:00 -
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First of all don't personalize this topic. Second if you disagree say why you are disagree.
Additionaly I never hunt haulers in low sec. |
Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: mcnuggetlol
What the hell are you on about?
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Lt Angus
Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:03:00 -
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Hard to agree or disagree with jibberish |
Sarin Adler
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:05:00 -
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Me ... understand ... not. |
Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:05:00 -
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Sad pirate is sad that he cant just gank industrials.
First you told us that FW would fail because pirates would own us, now from my perspective it doesnt look like average pirate wants to attack FW fleets. And now FW failed because pirates get kicked?
I think if it continues like this (and that is the big if), this is a huge boost to low sec. Most FW fleets dont attack neutrals, so it is safer for neutrals. Only pirate fleets i saw are huging sttation, they are now too scared to gatecamp. So when pirates finally adapt, they go hunt in belts, missions, etc. So for non FW players:
Less gatecamping, more security, more people, more targets for pirates if they are willing to do something besides gate camping |
MirrorGod
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:07:00 -
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I've already seen pirates use a 10 man gang to kill a 40 man faction blob. The strongest pilot groups will adapt easily. Personally, I've found FW to be so much fun I'm joinin em  |
Lt Angus
Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:08:00 -
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Most fun ive had all year |
Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:10:00 -
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Hate is a pretty strong word...
Mild Dislike?
Annoyed?
I know ..
Perturbed ... |
Shagrath Neptune
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: MaDOnos
How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
Waaah waaaah. First you whine over not enough targets and say careabears are noobs before FW. Now you biatch and moan about they kick your rearend. Learn to PvP if ganking haulers is all you can.
This X 10 |
Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 12/06/2008 11:12:11
Originally by: MaDOnos
Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 10:57:54
My opinion is Empyrean Age is very very bad. First of all This FW thing is noob thing. Additionaly, did you never think about pirates ? How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
CCP has to think twice about this FW. People play this game cause this game need experiement. But This FW thing did game like the other bad online games. You can hear this things "Let's go hunt trol", "Don't take my loot you moron!". Also you destroyed the main charecteristic of game. I mean Alliances,base defence or other things. You will see the damage of this thing in the future.
I think CCP will destroy the Eve Online by themselves.
I disagree with you on almost every valid point you raised. The rest is a rambling mess and not worth even responding to.
1) How can a pirate hunt when local is at 30.
Before you used to hear pirates complain low sec was empty...make up you mind. Or maybe you shouldn't appoint yourself spokes-person for every pirate in eve.
2) Free intel channel.
This is a prime example of you shooting your mouth off without researching. Alot of so-called critics do this. Try looking, with your eyes rather than your assumptions.
3) Think twice.
To be honest CCP isn't going to change all this because you come on and whine in terrible english. Your arguements make no sense and are poorly researched knee jerk reactions to what you THINK is happening as opposed to what is actually happening.
4) Chat channel bullys.
I played all day yeasterday and I only got smack talked once in Militia chat, the fellow was promptly ostracised by everyone else.
5) Alliance/destroying the game.
The alliances still exist, bob and the goons still exist. You my friend are a ******. And I can prove it, if you don't like the game QUIT!!!!
Nobody is forcing you to pay for something you don't like. Less people like you the better the game imho.
Oh and, can I have all your stuffs? |
Zeknichov
Dark Prophecy Inc.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:13:00 -
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After the downfall of m0o it was obvious EVE was not a pirates game and never would be. EVE is about carebears and 0.0 drama queens. This was a carebear patch. |
Discordia Duenna
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:16:00 -
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I want cheese. |
MaDOnos
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:16:00 -
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Let's think a bit solo pvp in low sec.
Player asks to CCP.
Player- Where are the low sec mission runners ?
CCP- Ah they are in FW.
Player- Where are the low sec ratters ?
CCP- Ah they are in FW.
Player- Where are the noob pirates ?
CCP- Ah they are in FW.
Btw While local is 30 no one do rat there or try to do pvp. FW also disturb the other players. So no target for solo pirate. Hope CCP don't do this on all low secs. |
Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:19:00 -
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Horrible, horrible thread.
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Krulgatha
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Horrible, horrible thread.
:D
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mcnuggetlol
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Discordia Duenna
I want cheese.
Me too, what's your favorite type?
I like cheddar.
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Voodoo Mistross
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus
Most fun ive had all year
 couldnt agree more, two thumbs up to FW, now bring me some more noobs in frigates to fry
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Mangala Solaris
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia
Oh and, can I have all your stuffs?
He doesnt have any stuff, a 30man gang of militia newbs killed him and took it :D
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Kueijin Legion
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: MaDOnos
Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 11:16:49
Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 10:57:54
My opinion is Empyrean Age is very very bad. First of all This FW thing is noob thing. Additionaly, did you never think about pirates ? How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
CCP has to think twice about this FW. People play this game cause this game need experiement. But This FW thing did game like the other bad online games. You can hear this things "Let's go hunt trol", "Don't take my loot you moron!". Also you destroyed the main charecteristic of game. I mean Alliances,base defence or other things. You will see the damage of this thing in the future.
I think CCP will destroy the Eve Online by themselves.
I saw this and thought I had accidentally logged in to the World of Warcraft forums.I then noticed the forum style and OP's lack of LOL's in the...whatever it is.
Scared me there for a bit!
"LOL isn't a word. The devil invented it to promote stupidity and a breakdown of human language on the internet, thus reverting humanity to a caveman-like state of primitive communication" -LordBob |
Shagrath Neptune
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: MaDOnos
Let's think a bit solo pvp in low sec.
Player asks to CCP.
Player- Where are the low sec mission runners ?
CCP- Ah they are in FW.
Player- Where are the low sec ratters ?
CCP- Ah they are in FW.
Player- Where are the noob pirates ?
CCP- Ah they are in FW.
Btw While local is 30 no one do rat there or try to do pvp. FW also disturb the other players. So no target for solo pirate. Hope CCP don't do this on all low secs.
Wait a minute. What was it you gate campers said to the carebears trying to get into Low Sec solo for the past three years again?
Get a Scout? Get some friends?
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MrChook
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:25:00 -
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This is hilarious. I'm really enjoying the whining from the pirates that were pontificating on the forums prior to FW. I seem to recall many statements along the lines of "we are going to own the militias so hard that FW will be a failure"  .
Personally, I'm really, really enjoying FW so far. Militia chat is mostly pretty cool (if not a little chaotic) and everybody seems to be happy enough to gang up with random unknowns to get things done.
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MaDOnos
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:25:00 -
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My english is bad I know that. But I don't understand this,Topic is not about my opinion or my english. Topic is about FW. I said my opinion about FW not to the players to CCP. If you have opinion about FW should be or FW shouldn't be,just say it. I also wait messages from who disagree FW. Because there are a lot of topics about who agree with FW. I try to see how many people disagree and why they are disagree.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:31:00 -
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disagree
the beauty about eve is that you can expand on content without taking away from other content
you dont fundamentally change the sandbox - you expand it (and I dont see how that is a bad thing)
FW caters to different people then those that did pvp before already or to those out of that group that is bored of other kinds of pvp e.g. laggy alliance blob-pos wars
and if you as a pirate complain about having more targets in low sec I am lost for words...maybe you should "experiment" a bit yourself?
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:40:00 -
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The only thing I really don't like is that it's free to join or not, whatever you like. It's supposed to be a war right? I doubt you will have a choice to participate or not in a large scale war.
Imo, force it upon everyone or leave it out.
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Astria Tiphareth
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:40:00 -
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Please see this whine thread
FW if it continues as well as it's started is a great thing. Low-sec finally being populated and pirates having targets that shoot back is great for the game.
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Astria Tiphareth
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
The only thing I really don't like is that it's free to join or not, whatever you like. It's supposed to be a war right? I doubt you will have a choice to participate or not in a large scale war.
Imo, force it upon everyone or leave it out.
They did this in SWG - it was a total disaster. I suspect CCP learned from that mistake.
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My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... |
MaDOnos
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kueijin Legion
I saw this and thought I had accidentally logged in to the World of Warcraft forums.I then noticed the forum style and OP's lack of LOL's in the...whatever it is.
Scared me there for a bit!
This is exactly what I wanted to say.
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Kira Direll
Niflhel
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: MaDOnos
...err... stuff. i think.
you are great, keep 'em coming! 
perhaps the vocal majority is happy or at least not "angry" with FW? perhaps thats the reason no one really answers your whiny gibberish?
in other news: if you say pre-FW that you gonna "own the FW noobs" and now come crying, like the little baby that you are, that the "FW-noobs" disturb your hauler-ganking, you are making an idiot out of yourself. |
Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:03:00 -
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FW is not being done by a bunch of newbies or carebears. I was very surprised at the large number of corps and individuals whom I know are very heavily into pvp combat that I saw yesterday fighting in the militias.
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Valkazm
Eve Defence Force
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:07:00 -
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this is such a stupid thread its one thing to whine about something that effects everyone .. But whining of something that is an optional thing to even be a part of takes the ultimate price in stupidity .. |
MaDOnos
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
FW is not being done by a bunch of newbies or carebears. I was very surprised at the large number of corps and individuals whom I know are very heavily into pvp combat that I saw yesterday fighting in the militias.
Yeah your right but Most of newbies and carebears are in FW. |
Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 12/06/2008 12:09:17
Originally by: MaDOnos
Yeah your right but Most of newbies and carebears are in FW.
You really did finish your degree in talking **** this year didn't you. Planning for your masters soon? |
Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:09:00 -
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Yesterday I was happily surprised. The system I'm hunting in usually has on a good day around 5-10 people docked up. Now, with FW, players are in space and local goes up to 100 sometimes (average 20-30, spikes to 100).
As I usually hunt solo, I'll have to pick my targets so I don't get blobbed too hard but guess what.... I can pick targets now.... before there was nothing to pick.
There were the occasional support groups that showed up, 4 or 5 extra ships to help my victim. Or the typical bait ships to lure a pirate and wtfbbqpwn him.... no problems for me, only fun fun fun....
I'm loving it so far. I'll guess the high peaks to 100 will drop down a bit when the weeks will pass but main part for me is that there are people in lowsec! |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:14:00 -
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Low-sec pirates are the carebears of PvP, while suicide gankers are the macro-miners. |
Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:16:00 -
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nobody cares what you think. |
Lt Angus
Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Low-sec pirates are the carebears of PvP, while suicide gankers are the macro-miners.
Ah yes i remember when the definition of carebear changed |
Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 12/06/2008 12:21:57
Originally by: MaDOnos
Originally by: Hannobaal
FW is not being done by a bunch of newbies or carebears. I was very surprised at the large number of corps and individuals whom I know are very heavily into pvp combat that I saw yesterday fighting in the militias.
Yeah your right but Most of newbies and carebears are in FW.
Stats pls. Present empirical evidence for the sentence indicating a number or percentage of a group.
Originally by: Lance Fighter
This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus
Ah yes i remember when the definition of carebear changed
I thought the definition always was someone who whines and is unwilling to take even the slightest risk... Sounds to me like it fits the OP, and pirates in general quite perfectly.
Or are you trying to claim that ganking haulers and easy prey in low-sec constitutes anything but low-risk PvP?
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jakke Logan on 12/06/2008 12:32:15
EA is a fail because it introduces a PVP system that clashes with the rest of the game. It forces you to choose between those you currently play the game with (alliance, corp) and in getting anything out of the expansion.
That alone makes it a **** poor idea that never should have made it out of the first design meeting much less into the game.
There are many other things wrong with factional warfare, such as the ship restrictions, pathetically poor rewards, long trips for little gain, etc, but they are completely overshadowed by the fact that the foundation the whole thing rests on being broken.
They might have gotten by with this had EA had more to it besides FW, but it doesn't. 99.999% of the expansion is a system that the majority of existing PVP'ers can't participate in other than to try to be a griefer of those who do. They at least should have held off factional warfare until they could have introduced the basic parts of ambulation with it, so that there would have been something at least open to everyone in the expansion.
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Vivisacia
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:32:00 -
[47]
Originally by: MaDOnos
Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 11:34:28
My opinion is Empyrean Age is very very bad. First of all This FW thing is noob thing. Additionaly, did you never think about pirates ? How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
CCP has to think twice about this FW. People play this game cause this game need experiement. But This FW thing did game like the other bad online games. You can hear this things "Let's go hunt trol", "Don't take my loot you moron!". Also you destroyed the main charecteristic of game. I mean Alliances,base defence or other things. You will see the damage of this thing in the future.
I think CCP will destroy the Eve Online by themselves.
Not:Pls write messages about FW.Btw Yeah I know my english is bad.
I just don't understand how CCP keep going, with posts like this.
First pirates whinge that Low sec doesn't have enough targets to shoot at. Now they whinge there's too many.
First PvEers said Low Sec had no worth so no reason to go there. Now they whinge there's too many people there and/or it's the "wrong" kind of incentive.
Honestly, this is just nuts
Cadlari? FW? Alt? |
Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Lt Angus
Ah yes i remember when the definition of carebear changed
I thought the definition always was someone who whines and is unwilling to take even the slightest risk... Sounds to me like it fits the OP, and pirates in general quite perfectly.
Or are you trying to claim that ganking haulers and easy prey in low-sec constitutes anything but low-risk PvP?
The OP is not a good representative of low-sec pirates in general in Eve.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:40:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Edited by: Jakke Logan on 12/06/2008 12:32:15
EA is a fail because it introduces a PVP system that clashes with the rest of the game. It forces you to choose between those you currently play the game with (alliance, corp) and in getting anything out of the expansion.
That alone makes it a **** poor idea that never should have made it out of the first design meeting much less into the game.
There are many other things wrong with factional warfare, such as the ship restrictions, pathetically poor rewards, long trips for little gain, etc, but they are completely overshadowed by the fact that the foundation the whole thing rests on being broken.
They might have gotten by with this had EA had more to it besides FW, but it doesn't. 99.999% of the expansion is a system that the majority of existing PVP'ers can't participate in other than to try to be a griefer of those who do. They at least should have held off factional warfare until they could have introduced the basic parts of ambulation with it, so that there would have been something at least open to everyone in the expansion.
Ever considered that FW was designed to aim at people who,
A: Is in no corp or is tired of their current one and want to leave.
OR
B: Is in a corp that like to do things together and therefore signs up to FW together.
FW is meant to motivate people to go from group A to to group B.
If you are already in group C (active corp that does the whole POS thingy and fight its own wars) there is little point for you to return to previous steps.
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Lt Angus
Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:41:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Lt Angus
Ah yes i remember when the definition of carebear changed
I thought the definition always was someone who whines and is unwilling to take even the slightest risk... Sounds to me like it fits the OP, and pirates in general quite perfectly.
Or are you trying to claim that ganking haulers and easy prey in low-sec constitutes anything but low-risk PvP?
It was someone that avoided combat , and was the opposite of griefer hench the care part but that was many mmorpgs ago.
PVP is as risky as you make it and has nothing to do with being a carebear and everything to do with knowing your surroundings, killing easy targets for easy money is just business.
Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
sugark
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:44:00 -
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I am not sure what I would call myself on the carebear to pvp'er scale. Have done a lot of industry, missioning, 0.0 combat as well as pirating. But I have to say this patch is great if you look at low-sec. I haven¦t had that much fun in ages and even if there are a lot of people who are not experienced in pvp zooming around - so what? They will pick up fast and things will also get calmer soon.
On a different note: Go Gallente!
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JamnOne
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mangala Solaris
Babelfish isnt sure what he is on about either.
Now this is funny!
Hey OP - if you don't like FW, don't participate in combat zones. Not all of low sec is contested space. |
Slanty McGarglefist
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:06:00 -
[53]
I think Empyrean Age is the worst EVE expansion since Grobbargs Beefyhead McStoverfish Attacks the Universe. And because that expansion never existed, Empyrean Age is one of the best expansions. |
HellzDuDe
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:24:00 -
[54]
Here is my beef with FW.
This expansion offers me virtually nothing but a few new faction cruisers. I am very happy with the corp I am in, And do not wish to leave it. We are not in an alliance, But The CEO doesnt want to sign us up for FW. SO it effectively eliminates the entire point behind the expansion. Its not like I'll use the new faction cruisers anyway either. Because well.. Lets face it.. They are crap. There should have been more for people who cant get involved in FW. I am extremely disappointed in this release. |
Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:30:00 -
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Here is my beef with trinity:
It gave better graphics, but my laptop cant handle SM3.0, so no better graphics for me.
It gave HICs, but (till FW) i almost only did solo PVP in low sec againt real targets (no hauler ganking), so didnt help me either.
Also it gave marauders and black ops, nowhere near the skill for flying them and totally not intrested in flying them.
So trinity didnt do anything to help me. I didnt whine. Now we get something that helps me but doesnt help you, and suddenly world is going to end?
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HellzDuDe
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:35:00 -
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I just look forward to working towards stuff I would like to fly etc... Also awaiting additional tech levels or more T2 ships (Myrmidon, lookin at ou)
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
The OP is not a good representative of low-sec pirates in general in Eve.
^^ This. I'm LOVING it. There are targets all over the place. I killed a Rifter last night with 25M worth of loot in the hold, that ACTUALLY survived! He may or may not have been related to FW, but I'm pretty sure he felt more confident about attacking a Rapier because of the Rupture I was already fighting that WAS there because of FW. It's also more exciting having these crazy blobs of T1 ships flying around. You really have to stay on your toes now where just 2 weeks ago you could go 30 jumps and see nobody.
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Cpt Constantinus
Celestial Janissaries
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:50:00 -
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I am still unhappy that alliance arent allowed but at least lowsec is now...kind of target rich :D ( for those times when 0.0 is calm enough )
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The TX
Earth Inc.
Zeta Tau Epsilon
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:50:00 -
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Chuck Norris doesn't even know what the OP is on about.
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Prisoner 257
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
The only thing I really don't like is that it's free to join or not, whatever you like. It's supposed to be a war right? I doubt you will have a choice to participate or not in a large scale war.
Imo, force it upon everyone or leave it out.
Do a bit of research, even if they did a draft in EvE, not everyone would get called up to fight.
There are very few countries that have compulsory military service, and even then people still either get out of it or get put into delivery type jobs at the very backline..
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Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:06:00 -
[61]
Originally by: HellzDuDe
I just look forward to working towards stuff I would like to fly etc... Also awaiting additional tech levels or more T2 ships (Myrmidon, lookin at ou)
Don't wait, go now. I can tell you got a real fear of losing, if you wait for those uber ships and lose, your gonna hate yourself. Just grab a frigate go out and have fun, there is no shame in losing ships.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:06:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Edited by: Jakke Logan on 12/06/2008 12:32:15
EA is a fail because it introduces a PVP system that clashes with the rest of the game. It forces you to choose between those you currently play the game with (alliance, corp) and in getting anything out of the expansion.
That alone makes it a **** poor idea that never should have made it out of the first design meeting much less into the game.
There are many other things wrong with factional warfare, such as the ship restrictions, pathetically poor rewards, long trips for little gain, etc, but they are completely overshadowed by the fact that the foundation the whole thing rests on being broken.
They might have gotten by with this had EA had more to it besides FW, but it doesn't. 99.999% of the expansion is a system that the majority of existing PVP'ers can't participate in other than to try to be a griefer of those who do. They at least should have held off factional warfare until they could have introduced the basic parts of ambulation with it, so that there would have been something at least open to everyone in the expansion.
Ever considered that FW was designed to aim at people who,
A: Is in no corp or is tired of their current one and want to leave.
OR
B: Is in a corp that like to do things together and therefore signs up to FW together.
FW is meant to motivate people to go from group A to to group B.
If you are already in group C (active corp that does the whole POS thingy and fight its own wars) there is little point for you to return to previous steps.
Taken in that context, that makes sense. However, a WHOLE EXPANSION was devoted to what amounts to being an extension of the "noob hand holding experience".
That's not good management of time and resources since it neglects a large proportion of the existing player base. There literally is nothing in the expansion at all for people who aren't going to participate in FW.
It really wouldn't have taken much to have added roles in faction warfare for alliances and individuals in alliances, and it would have prevented most of the bickering now going on.
Furthermore, I believe the whole idea of "pvp lite" or "starter pvp" is doomed to fail to begin with. Those who want to pvp, will pvp. Those who don't, won't. New pvp systems won't lure them into it. This sort of thing has been tried (and failed) in other MMO's, to the same result: annoys the existing pvp'ers, pve'ers ignore it since they don't want to pvp or aren't ready to pvp yet.
The reason why this is a bad idea is that it amounts to CCP trying to dictate playstyle to players, which is completely against the sandbox concept. So much of faction warfare as now implemented reeks of WOW'ish concepts...
CCP should concentrate on making the EVE world bigger with more stuff to do in it and let the players find their own way instead of obsessing with how they play it. PVE to PVP is a natural progression, many make that jump as they mature in a game, some never make that jump. When I started EVE, I didn't want anything to do with pvp, I stayed in highsec. I moved on eventually once I got the skills (and got tired of L4 missions) and now honestly hate it when I have to do non pvp.
We'll find our own way, we don't need the developers to tell us how to play the game, or when to move from primary pve to primary pvp play sytles...
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:10:00 -
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This makes it much easier to just do some pvp when you want to in a fleet, dont want today? No one cares, you can just do missions or whatever. Dont want to do pvp in 3 months, no one cares. Then you want to pvp again and you can immediatly start again
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:22:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Furb Killer
This makes it much easier to just do some pvp when you want to in a fleet, dont want today? No one cares, you can just do missions or whatever. Dont want to do pvp in 3 months, no one cares. Then you want to pvp again and you can immediatly start again
Why though? What advantage is there to fleeting up in what is essentially a noob npc corp vs going to 0.0 where you can actually call the space you conquer your own?
That's why FW is such a bad idea as currently done, because it isn't really a bridge to 0.0 pvp, it's a completely different pvp system.
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Kinkie Yuuki
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:23:00 -
[65]
Was fun until all the nano-corps joined gallente, GL killing them with mostly caldari/amarr ships.
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Po3tank
Hell's Rejects
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:24:00 -
[66]
for all stupid ass carebears -- if your hauler/rating ship/pvp ship/whatever you fly goes to a belt instead of going to the next gate and running or staying in station I will gladly engage you there instead of the conventional gate camp or station hug but as it stands itÆs the only thing IÆm able to do to kill your kind
FW sux just more blobs, simple as that 
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:26:00 -
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@jakke, because here no one cares what you do. 0.0 corp probably doesnt like it when you arent there for a few months. (and we also have FCs, and why would we care about calling space our own?).
We dont have POS wars, no capital lagfests (havent seen single capital yet).
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HellzDuDe
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:38:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia
Originally by: HellzDuDe
I just look forward to working towards stuff I would like to fly etc... Also awaiting additional tech levels or more T2 ships (Myrmidon, lookin at ou)
Don't wait, go now. I can tell you got a real fear of losing, if you wait for those uber ships and lose, your gonna hate yourself. Just grab a frigate go out and have fun, there is no shame in losing ships.
Nah, Aint really afraid of losing ships. It happens haha, Just a videogame. I prefer not to lose them of course. But it is a very natural part of the game. I just like the uber stuff because its well.. uber. I waste more ISK on random bullcrap than anyone else I know. Losing ships, isnt really and issue. Its what drives the economy amirite? |
Eemaavi
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:08:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Furb Killer
@jakke, because here no one cares what you do. 0.0 corp probably doesnt like it when you arent there for a few months. (and we also have FCs, and why would we care about calling space our own?).
We dont have POS wars, no capital lagfests (havent seen single capital yet).
This 0.0 Been there Done that Emptied the Silos, manned the 24/7 gate camps. It was great for awhile but right now I don't need the hassle. I just want to gang up in cheap ships and blow the crap out of my fellow players. As for PvP Lite. I suspect in a few months 0.0 alliances will be trying to Cherry pick from the FW bunch with Promises of Ratting for 20Million and hour and Corporate built Mom. And for some there will be that appeal. But for the rest... FW Filled a desperately needed niche in the Game. Smart Pirates will adapt, Lazy pirates will move to non-contested areas or Places like Syndicate or join the Militias. Either way Its no longer a choice between . insta-Gankage by Prirate or Insta-gankage by a 0.0 gang. FW seems to be turning out to be nice middle ground where you still lose a ton of money in Ships but you don't have to worry about losing your home. |
Cassandra Valieries
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:09:00 -
[70]
To the OP
Thank you for making my day. A cowardly pirate that whines because all off a sudden he faces a challenge is hilarious. You can't solo pirate anymore? Poor little you.
We have a new incarnation of the carebear (carebear can't apply to these folks, since they want to gank, but are too useless to do it). Suggestions for a new name follows
- Lazybear
- Lamebear
- Whinebear
- Scaredbear
and so on
What would be really sweet was if the militias had occasional ceasefires and kicked even more pirate butt
Now I just have to convince my friends to join up so we can go pirate hunting. Who cares about a couple of million dead Gallente/Caldari/Amarr/Minmatar civillians. We have thousands of thousands of hours of gatecamping to avenge |
Bo Bojangles
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:12:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Bo Bojangles on 12/06/2008 15:12:38
I will afford you a little bit of quarter as English isn't your primary language, however,..
Originally by: MaDOnos
Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 11:34:28
First of all This FW thing is noob thing.
You can't make a statement like this without specifically saying why you think so. By not supporting your argument here, you lend yourself less credibility on your following points.
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Additionaly, did you never think about pirates ? How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
No I hadn't thought about it, but what should I be thinking? If you'd like to know more on how pirates hunt while local is 30 or so, try hanging out in systems like P-VYVL. And yes, they do have a militia channel if that's what you're alluding to. I guess I'm not quite understanding your arguments here except that you seem to be saying, 'It's different than it was before, therefore it's bad!', and I cannot agree with that.
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People play this game cause this game needs experience. But This FW thing did game like the other bad online games. You can hear this things "Let's go hunt trol", "Don't take my loot you moron!". Also you destroyed the main charecteristic of game. I mean Alliances, base defence or other things. You will see the damage of this thing in the future.
Well, we do have a difference of opinion here. While you might not find such inter-team smacktalk with some Alliances, you most assuredly would find it in others, and what's more is that FW did not breed these players, they were already there in the playerbase, they're just beginning to work with each other for the first time, and as such there will be petty arguments amongst them.
Lastly, on your assertion that FW attacks the main characteristic of Eve's PvP warfare, that is of the Alliances, I will say that my guess is that you are probably right, but while you're saying that is a bad thing, I believe that the reason may be by design. I think that, if successful, FW will significantly drain Alliance's manpower resources while introducing PVP to players that would not have entertained the notion otherwise and set low-sec on fire. While, in turn, weakening the larger alliances and hence, improving the state of super-blob warfare. At least, that's what I've been thinking was CCP's intent. I hope it works out that way, I grow tired of warping into battle and watching my ships get blown to bits while reading the all to familiar message, 'An attempt to activate that module is under way,...' |
Cybele Lanier
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:13:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Jakke Logan
That's why FW is such a bad idea as currently done, because it isn't really a bridge to 0.0 pvp, it's a completely different pvp system.
I'd hazard a guess that "a completely different pvp system" is exactly what a lot of people like about FW.
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Lt Angus
Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:42:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kinkie Yuuki
Was fun until all the nano-corps joined gallente, GL killing them with mostly caldari/amarr ships.
ecm, inties and nuets, sounds like caldari amarr strong points to me
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:48:00 -
[74]
Originally by: MaDOnos
Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 11:34:28
My opinion is Empyrean Age is very very bad. First of all This FW thing is noob thing.
A noob thing... indeed. How so, exactly, my well spoken friend?
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Additionaly, did you never think about pirates ? How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
Let me explain what hunting is. Hunting is the act of looking for prey. If you have 30 people in local, then it's much easier to find them now, isn't it?
And a free intel channel for the militia? So? Join a corp/alliance and you'll have access to the same kind of intel channel.
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CCP has to think twice about this FW. People play this game cause this game need experiement. But This FW thing did game like the other bad online games.
Your opinion, nothing more.
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You can hear this things "Let's go hunt trol", "Don't take my loot you moron!".
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Also you destroyed the main charecteristic of game. I mean Alliances,base defence or other things. You will see the damage of this thing in the future.
Proof please? Otherwise, this part is just your opinion, and so far I value it as much as a US politician's banter
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I think CCP will destroy the Eve Online by themselves.
Doomsayers unite! Seriously, dude, your post fails.
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Donkee Punch
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:51:00 -
[75]
Originally by: MaDOnos
Edited by: MaDOnos on 12/06/2008 11:34:28
My opinion is Empyrean Age is very very bad. First of all This FW thing is noob thing. Additionaly, did you never think about pirates ? How can a pirate hunt while local 30 ? Also you gave them to free intel channel.
CCP has to think twice about this FW. People play this game cause this game need experiement. But This FW thing did game like the other bad online games. You can hear this things "Let's go hunt trol", "Don't take my loot you moron!". Also you destroyed the main charecteristic of game. I mean Alliances,base defence or other things. You will see the damage of this thing in the future.
I think CCP will destroy the Eve Online by themselves.
Not:Pls write messages about FW.Btw Yeah I know my english is bad.
Wins the "Fickle Finger Award" for most daft post this year...
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:53:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Why though? What advantage is there to fleeting up in what is essentially a noob npc corp vs going to 0.0 where you can actually call the space you conquer your own?
That's why FW is such a bad idea as currently done, because it isn't really a bridge to 0.0 pvp, it's a completely different pvp system.
No kidding. It's for people in high sec. The devs have already stated it is not a 0.0 expansion.
And the advantage? Is to have fun without having to go to 0.0 or destroy the security status that a lot of people have worked hard on. (Though, admittedly, it does ruin some standings.)
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:18:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Jakke Logan
I believe the whole idea of "pvp lite" or "starter pvp" is doomed to fail to begin with. Those who want to pvp, will pvp. Those who don't, won't. New pvp systems won't lure them into it. This sort of thing has been tried (and failed) in other MMO's...
I've been seen to whine (well, I tried to be constructive) about the lack of of rewards in FW, pre-launch. I was NOT optimistic.
BUT, I try to keep an open mind. I took an alt down and joined a fleet last night, in a T1 disposable destroyer like good little cannon fodder. Expected to get blown up, be bored, come home, go back to saying "where's the beef?"
And it went just like that, except for the boredom and the beef. This is the suprise bit: I had a blast. Fleet warfare can be fun, who knew? I sure as heck didn't.
And that's where Jakke's drums of doom go wrong. EVE is not like other MMOs, CCP has sort of a track record of making things work that nobody else has ever made work. I still can't see how this is going to be sustainable without some more rewards, but just because I can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. I can see some stuff today that I couldn't see yesterday, maybe I'll be able to see more tomorrow?
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, CCP appears to have been right about one thing: there were people who were not doing (certain forms of) PVP because we didn't know it could be fun, or because we didn't have access to it, or both. And FW does appear to be working for some of those people.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:31:00 -
[78]
Only thing I have an issue with is CCP stuck a station in my favorite mining system (which had previously been station-less).
So now instead of fat, fairly safe rocks to harvest once a week I have to keep running shmucks out of my system. |
Skeeve
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:27:00 -
[79]
FW should be on a NEW Server, where everyone have to participate in it and cant switch factions.
If its done from the start and not mandatory, then you get a rocking atmosphere.
"SHOW US YOUR HOOTERS!" - traditional greeting at the Annual Owl Fanciers Convention
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Corstaad
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:37:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Corstaad on 12/06/2008 21:38:39
As a pirate and trying to do the FW, I kinda like it. Its bringing a ton of people to low sec. That said I think I'll drop out of FW with my pirate because my hunting grounds are overrun with targets now  .
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.06.13 00:33:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Edited by: Jakke Logan on 12/06/2008 12:32:15
EA is a fail because it introduces a PVP system that clashes with the rest of the game. It forces you to choose between those you currently play the game with (alliance, corp) and in getting anything out of the expansion.
That alone makes it a **** poor idea that never should have made it out of the first design meeting much less into the game.
There are many other things wrong with factional warfare, such as the ship restrictions, pathetically poor rewards, long trips for little gain, etc, but they are completely overshadowed by the fact that the foundation the whole thing rests on being broken.
They might have gotten by with this had EA had more to it besides FW, but it doesn't. 99.999% of the expansion is a system that the majority of existing PVP'ers can't participate in other than to try to be a griefer of those who do. They at least should have held off factional warfare until they could have introduced the basic parts of ambulation with it, so that there would have been something at least open to everyone in the expansion.
Ever considered that FW was designed to aim at people who,
A: Is in no corp or is tired of their current one and want to leave.
OR
B: Is in a corp that like to do things together and therefore signs up to FW together.
FW is meant to motivate people to go from group A to to group B.
If you are already in group C (active corp that does the whole POS thingy and fight its own wars) there is little point for you to return to previous steps.
We have been Group B in 0.0 for quite some time so this works brilliantly for STORM.
TYVM CCP
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