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Gabriel Darkefyre Crystal Ship	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:53:00 - [1] In order to cut down on the spam in this forum, both for and against ideas by people voting with all the alts on their accounts I propose the following changes. 1. Each account holder delegates one of their characters on that account to hold the vote for that account. This choice cannot be changed once made. 2. Only those characters marked as holding a vote can post in this forum. 3. (optional) You may delegate your vote from your Alt Account to your Main Account. This means that none of the characters on your Alt Account may post in this forum, however your Main Account Voter will be able to cast the delegated votes. This would be represented in the Corp Ticker although unlike the Ticker this cannot be turned off. You may recover your Alt Account's vote at any time reducing the votes of the Main on any issue he's voted for. So, for example a Persons Ticker will end up looking like this RandomVoter1 (Represents 3 Accounts) Race Corporation Alliance This could also be used as part of the voting process for the CSM itself thus boosting turnout as it'll make it easier to cast all of your available votes rather than having to log in each account to vote individually. So, what do you guys think? Good idea or back to the drawing board?
Gabriel Darkefyre Crystal Ship	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:53:00 - [2] In order to cut down on the spam in this forum, both for and against ideas by people voting with all the alts on their accounts I propose the following changes. 1. Each account holder delegates one of their characters on that account to hold the vote for that account. This choice cannot be changed once made. 2. Only those characters marked as holding a vote can post in this forum. 3. (optional) You may delegate your vote from your Alt Account to your Main Account. This means that none of the characters on your Alt Account may post in this forum, however your Main Account Voter will be able to cast the delegated votes. This would be represented in the Corp Ticker although unlike the Ticker this cannot be turned off. You may recover your Alt Account's vote at any time reducing the votes of the Main on any issue he's voted for. So, for example a Persons Ticker will end up looking like this RandomVoter1 (Represents 3 Accounts) Race Corporation Alliance This could also be used as part of the voting process for the CSM itself thus boosting turnout as it'll make it easier to cast all of your available votes rather than having to log in each account to vote individually. So, what do you guys think? Good idea or back to the drawing board?
Gabriel Darkefyre Crystal Ship	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:54:00 - [3] Posting only to support my own OP.
Gabriel Darkefyre Crystal Ship	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:54:00 - [4] Posting only to support my own OP.
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:19:00 - [5] -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Tesseract d'Urberville Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:40:00 - [6] Sounds nice (and supported), but it might be more difficult to set up than it's worth.
White Ronin Screenout	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:23:00 - [7]
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:30:00 - [8] I personally wouldn't mind that being implemented for all forums (although some people use multiple characters legitimately for roleplaying etc), it definately stops a lot of the trolling in here. --- Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:41:00 - [9] Definitely agree. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:45:00 - [10] Sure, go ahead. I would also ask to introduce an "Against" or "Not Supported" option as well. That way we can see right away how many support it, and how many against, because people post in the tread w/o supporting it or while they have already supported - and it makes it difficult gauging the popularity of the item.

Dohl Khrensen Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:47:00 - [11] Absolutely. I don't know how you would make 3) work, or if its even necessary, but the '1 account-1 vote' policy should be in place.
therealdhs	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:52:00 - [12] It shouldn't matter what part of your account votes, it should just look to see if yuor account has voted. Why should some people get two votes when I only have one? -------- Bender: Ahhh, what an awful dream. Ones and zeroes everywhere... and I thought I saw a two. Fry: Don't worry, Bender: there's no such thing as two.
Czanthria Ad Astra Vexillum Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:09:00 - [13] -- Knowledge is Power!
Faekurias Black Legion Command Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:17:00 - [14] Supreme Legion Commander of the Black Legion Fleet We're recruiting. Hitmeup ingame.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:27:00 - [15] i dont really care one way or the other but a simple way to implement this would be that only the character with the most SP on any given account can vote but that would also require ccp to make votes private in some capacity - that is to not require a post for affirmative or negative
JafoPBCFR	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:34:00 - [16] verry good idea. Yes alts should be allowed to post in other forums. But this one should be main only. one person one vote.
Kalinda Veldrin	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:38:00 - [17] I agree that there should only be one support vote per account. What you are asking for here is a way to link your accounts together. This is a great idea and maybe CCP would consider the possibility of working multiple accounts directly into their business plan and pricing, giving a discount on the second and any subsequent accounts. You would then select the "Primary" account and a "Main" character (from that account) and that would be your forum posting character which would reflect the support of your accounts as you have outlined. Posting with any other character from your accounts could see them with an "Alt" tag just like your proposed representation tag and could be easily restricted from posting on CAOD and the like. If for any reason (and I'm sure there could be many), you decide to change your main character, that could be worked into the "Paid changes" that are already offered, with a small charge attached, like the current ability to change your portrait.
ceyriot Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.12 22:50:00 - [18] Could be hard to set up, but would be nice.
Fallorn GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.12 23:09:00 - [19] You could just put the poll option into the forums you don't have to post one vote per account and it puts it at the top of the screen so you can see how much support it has. These forums need a revamp.
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:11:00 - [20] I agree

Amarr Holymight Bat Country Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:15:00 - [21] I agree and so do all my alts
Meleyn Alternate Posting Services	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:16:00 - [22] Edited by: Meleyn on 13/06/2008 00:20:21 Originally by: Illaria I agree ... and so does my alt Edit: Rofl, it really works: you can vote with another char from the same account, even when you have already voted with your main in the same thread. That's a quite sloppy implementation of the vote feature, tbh.
Sigourney Reaver	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:17:00 - [23] Sorry as an alt I can't agree with this I want my moments in the spotlight.
Khaerie The Empire Nation Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:26:00 - [24] Voting will be a difficult issue to resolve. On the one hand you could attempt to do one account/one vote. It favors those who can afford more then one account. On the other hand you could do one ip address one vote. It forces those that use the same computer to have only one vote between them. I am unable to offer a solution at this time but I am also unable to support a voting system that clearly favors those that are more fortunate. It simply isn't democratic. Looking for new sig
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.06.13 04:06:00 - [25] is blown away by the sheer volume of Goons agreeing in this thread
Gabriel Darkefyre Crystal Ship	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:04:00 - [26] Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre on 13/06/2008 12:06:25 Originally by: Khaerie Voting will be a difficult issue to resolve. On the one hand you could attempt to do one account/one vote. It favors those who can afford more then one account. On the other hand you could do one ip address one vote. It forces those that use the same computer to have only one vote between them. I am unable to offer a solution at this time but I am also unable to support a voting system that clearly favors those that are more fortunate. It simply isn't democratic. There are several problems with doing one vote per IP. 1. Not every case of multiple accounts per PC is due to one person having Multiple Accounts. Sometimes it's due to multiple family members having accounts. 2. I could have logged in yesterday from home, voted. Logged in today from work, voted again. Logged in from an Internet Cafe later in the week, voted yet again. Each time from a different IP Address. Simply put, accounts will not necessarily be functioning from the same IP address all the time especially when you consider that these votes are going on a Web Based Forum. Believe me, I do sympathise with the concept that it should be one vote per user, however with the sheer number of Alt accounts out there and no way of tracking whether a given account is an Alt account at the moment does make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to properly regulate that. One vote per Account, however, is workable and would make a decent compromise. Yes it does mean that those with multiple accounts have a louder voice however we may be looking at this slightly wrong. The CSM, at the moment, is being described as a purely democratic body. This isn't the case. It's actually more like a board of directors in a company. Each account is effectively a 'share' so those with more accounts have more 'shares' and so have a greater say in what direction a company (In this case, the CSM) goes in. Edit:Oh, and just to make it clear what position I'm coming from, I'm a single account holder with no alts at all. So this proposal wouldn't help me much but would be of great help to others.
ErrhuhBlaman	Posted - 2008.06.27 20:32:00 - [27] i support this whole heartedly. it would make it more clear how the player base as individuals view and support the ideas given.
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.27 23:49:00 - [28] 1 account 1 vote? I agree.
Darth Vaders Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.27 23:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Zaran Darkstar 1 account 1 vote? I agree. 1 vote per account seems fair.
William Pierce Universal Army	Posted - 2008.06.27 23:56:00 - [30] I agree!

Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.28 03:07:00 - [31] Wouldn't it be ironic if we used all our characters to vote for this. -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Aloriana Jacques Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.06.28 03:44:00 - [32] - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Arithron Gallente Trade Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 12:19:00 - [33] Good to see two representatives are supporting this also!!! Agree totally Take care, Arithron
Inanna Zuni	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:24:00 - [34] Actually, and contrary to possible appearances, but it is 'one account one vote' currently. During the CSM-CCP meeting I had an issue up about this problem - that we (as CSM) cannot tell whether or not the 5% (at that time) vote had been reached as it was an 'account' measure not a 'pilot' one and we were advised that should the numbers replying to / supporting an issue where no CSM member has picked it up then it only takes a moment for CCP to give us the number of accounts represented as opposed to avatars. This means that (a) making people decide which is their 'main' character on a given account doesn't need to have an admin process worked out, and (b) that the issues can't be stacked, as you worry about. IZ
Gabriel Darkefyre Minmatar Crystal Ship	Posted - 2008.06.28 21:57:00 - [35] Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre on 28/06/2008 21:59:34 Originally by: Inanna Zuni Actually, and contrary to possible appearances, but it is 'one account one vote' currently. During the CSM-CCP meeting I had an issue up about this problem - that we (as CSM) cannot tell whether or not the 5% (at that time) vote had been reached as it was an 'account' measure not a 'pilot' one and we were advised that should the numbers replying to / supporting an issue where no CSM member has picked it up then it only takes a moment for CCP to give us the number of accounts represented as opposed to avatars. This means that (a) making people decide which is their 'main' character on a given account doesn't need to have an admin process worked out, and (b) that the issues can't be stacked, as you worry about. IZ It's good to hear that CCP/CSM is on top of this issue. However, at the moment, as has been shown by people in this post, the level of support being shown against a given issue is being skewed by people voting with Multiple Alts. And unlike CCP/CSM it's those figures that we see and use to gauge how popular a given issue actually is. However, the idea of only allowing "Main" characters to post in here would help to reduce the noise in the forum thus allowing greater focus to be placed against important issues as opposed to issues constantly bumped to the front page by people using multiple Alts to give the appearance that an issue is more pressing than it actually is. Please note, however, that this isn't directed at anyone in particular, more of a "What If?" potential situation.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.06.28 23:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Inanna Zuni Actually, and contrary to possible appearances, but it is 'one account one vote' currently. During the CSM-CCP meeting I had an issue up about this problem - that we (as CSM) cannot tell whether or not the 5% (at that time) vote had been reached as it was an 'account' measure not a 'pilot' one and we were advised that should the numbers replying to / supporting an issue where no CSM member has picked it up then it only takes a moment for CCP to give us the number of accounts represented as opposed to avatars. This means that (a) making people decide which is their 'main' character on a given account doesn't need to have an admin process worked out, and (b) that the issues can't be stacked, as you worry about. IZ Thank you very much Inanna for the info. It really does clear things up.
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.29 02:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Demtalin le'Mercennaire Wouldn't it be ironic if we used all our characters to vote for this. I used 2 characters of mine. But they are on different accounts
Siebenthal	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:03:00 - [38]


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