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AltBier
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:56:00 -
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 Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Further, any independent capsuleer corporation that affiliates itself to the core empires and their militias may be set -10 on the basis of such affiliation at our option. We also reserve the option of using sanctioned warfare against any notable capsuleer corporations that are affiliated to the core empires and their militias.
So you oppose us submitting to governments but expect us to submit to you instead?
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AltBier
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:33:00 -
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Mr. Heartstone, I thank you for your fast response.
Please also note that I DO NOT speak for any corp in any way. I am merely expressing my own views here.
There are very few corps which have not supported the various empires in some way. Many fly missions for their respective agents, as Ms Marie Trudeau also points out.
Originally by: Azure Skyclad
I don't see where we have told any of you what you can and can't do or what you should or should not do.
But you have or at least you have stated that you will try.
Originally by: Centra Spike
Freeing people from slavery is indeed a noble cause, but contesting, conquering and occupying space in the name of an empire goes against the very ideals of freespace.
This I can understand and to a degree I even agree. We should not, in the long run, occupy planets or systems.
Originally by: Centra Spike
Whatever feelings of solidarity I have with the Minmatar and their quest to free their brethren from enslavement under the Amarr, I cannot forget my purpose: to fight against those who wish restrict free movement of capsuleers.
Are you not intending to prevent militia members from entering the newly discovered regions between gallente and caldari space?
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AltBier
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: AltBier on 16/06/2008 16:41:54
Originally by: Centra Spike
They are free to go where they please, but since they are trying to occupy this new region, they can expect to get shot at.
I'm sure all alliances say the same about the space they control! 
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AltBier
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:56:00 -
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As I said to your collegue, how is that different from any other alliance in space?
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AltBier
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.17 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kelsin
Originally by: AltBier
As I said to your collegue, how is that different from any other alliance in space?
As the announcement states, we won't shoot someone for entering a certain space. We'll shoot them because they are a nationalist dog seeking to claim space for a regressive government entity.
What I find mildly confusing is that you are, defacto, seeking to keep people out of the newly descovered regions who, AFAIK, operate under the NRDS which I believe you are trying to foster.
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AltBier
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.17 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone
Originally by: AltBier
What I find mildly confusing is that you are, defacto, seeking to keep people out of the newly descovered regions who, AFAIK, operate under the NRDS which I believe you are trying to foster.
With respect this is inncorrect. We aren't attempting to force people out of a region, in fact we rejoice that thier newly opened up space is already quite heavily populated. What we are trying to do, in part, is attempt to reduce the capulseer support of the core government entites thereby weakening thier ability to quickly "grab" more territory for themsleves.
I think you are treading a very fine line there and I'm still not convinced that you haven't already overstepped it.
Originally by: Heartstone
In regards to the NRDS issue well as stated the only entities who have had thier status changed so far are the corprorations of pilots who have activly engaged us and those government controlled militias. We are, as always, open to diplomatic discussions.
How does that address the issue? Do the government controlled militias operate NBSI ?
Originally by: Heartstone
It is with sadness we note that one of the militias has already given orders to it's affiliated capsuleer corporations to unilaterally set Star Fraction to negative standings. I personally hope some of those corporations will see this enclosurist piece of mind control for what it is and withdraw thier support or at least ignore the instruction as it will only lead to more death and destruction.
This does not surprise me. Are there any other alliances where you have set some corps to red and others to neutral or even blue? I fear there will be much confusion in the heat of battle.
Let me close by saying that it is my sincere wish to avoid combat with your alliance, who's general aims I broadly support.
It will be interesting to see how this develops.
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