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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Heartstone on 13/06/2008 14:06:39
What a ridiculous amount of rubbish has been spoken here. In fact the only person who has so far made any sense apart from our friends in Ushra'Khan is Rodj Blake of all people. It is hardly a difficult thing to fathom.
The core empires are all, without exception empire building, territorial, stand enclosurist entities who are a hundred times worse in their ideology than any capsuleer created community so far. Those who join the militias or turn their corporation over to these entities are actively fighting in the service of them. If a corporation joined a capulseer created alliance that you had negative standings to they would automatically be set to a negative standings themselves. However in light of the extreme circumstances of recent times it has been decided in Star Fraction that we will make these choices for ourselves rather than automatically set anyone. Accusations of Star Fraction now practising standings enclosurism are at best ridiculous and at worst a pathetic attempt at self justification.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.13 15:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Hand bags at dawn. You still owe Jonny a duel.
Already answered that I will fight him happily if he wants though although I am less happy about the needless loss of life aboard the loosing ship. Seems that he didn't respond however.
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Also, if you think the minmatar people are empire builders then you obviously missed the part where the Elders came to the rescue of our people in Ammatar, incited revolts, free'd slaves and ASSASSINATED government officials within the Republic itself.
You talk about empire building but that is exactly what you have just done by gripping the ideals you so boldy hold to black and white. You don't need to hold space to have an empire, you just need to think you are better than someone else and drive a steak in their heart.
This is exactly what has been done here today. You have declared a war with the Caldari and Gallente people while alluding to a cold war with the Minmatar so you won't be seen as unsympathetic to a worthy cause. You aren't going to make people change their mind with idle threats so just get down to brass tacks.
I think you mange to miss exactly what empire building is about my dear. Star Fraction hasn't built any empire, hasn't claimed that certain system belong to them or that certain people aren't welcome in the borders they establish. The Republic has. It is easy to call someone a name because you don't like what they have to say but a rock isn't a stick no matter how hard to try and make people believe otherwise. I agree that the Republic is probably the best of a bad lot but this doesn't excuse it or make it a good thing. Too many people don't seem to understand the difference between the Republic and the Elders. We have not stated anything about the Elder/Thukker fleet. The Republic may have been decapitated but it's mechanisms and policies are still in place. We are not in fact saying anything about Matarian people at all as you should well know we are talking about the governing power known as the Minmatar Republic. As for idle threats I think it is quite clear that we will not be idle as we are simply stating our intentions so that people are aware where we stand.
Please feel free to continue this interesting game of putting words in our mouths though it is most amusing.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: AltBier
So you oppose us submitting to governments but expect us to submit to you instead?
No Mr. Altbier we expect you to realise that their are consequences to your choices. You choose to fight for the Republic. I assume that you believe that you are fighting for your freedom and to protect your people? We believe that we are also doing the same. The militia's represent a threat to our way of life and seek to influence the universe in ways we believe will reduce our liberty.
The case of the Republic in our discussion within Star Fraction was never cut and dry as we enjoy many similar view points with our brethren in the Ushra'Khan and the Matari people in general but the major factor was the militia's supporting of the Republic which we believe is inherently corrupt and divisive to the future of the Matari people and those who associate with them. As has been stated above we shall be watching the events in the Republic unfold with great interest as it saddens many of us that many of the noblest people in the Universe are falling under the sway of these Territorialist powers.
Fly in Freedom Mr. Altbier.
Heartstone
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Krystian
Well looks like we found a target all sides of the conflict can hate. Hope you enjoy being assaulted by all sides and hounded by pirates.
Whilst I would not say we enjoy people attempting to kill our crew and inflict some annoyance on ourselves we are used to it. Our voice is not one that is welcomed by the majority in the cluster and that is something we both regret and live with.
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If this is some half hearted attempt to get faction loyal capsoleer's to join your Alliance, your only making it worse for your PR directors.
Despite this being nothing to do with recruitment it does seem to have sparked some interest I will have to admit. Over the course of the last few months our application rate has been the highest in a long time with no sign of it slowing down. So thank you for your concern for our Directors but it seems it is an unnecessary worry.
Heartstone
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Swift Wind
No point in going on about how we feel about this.
Add 6rasshopper inc to your -10 list....
you have been set to -10 and we will shoot on sight (so will any Fleet we are in charge of)...
Thank You...
Thank you for making your position clear to us. We will hold off setting you to our red list until we are actually shot at by one of your pilots however.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.16 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Heartstone on 16/06/2008 20:46:13
Originally by: Swift Wind
added: wait, so Corps in the Militias are exempt? Can you clarify this please.
It's all in the original announcement let me clarify.
We have set the state sponsored militias themselves to -10. This is the State Protectorate, the Federal Defence Union, the 24th Imperial Crusade and the Tribal Liberation Force. These are the only standing alterations we have made. At the same time we have announced that any capulseer corp joining the overall Militia structure will be determined to be fighting directly on behalf of the appropriate territorial power. This doesn't automatically adjust our standings to them but is considered to be a black mark in the ledger so to speak. Pilots who run missions for the various corporations within the Empires will not have any such connected issues as they are freelancing and a certain degree of separation exists between the Freelancer and the Empire.
So far no new standings have been set on any capsuleer organisation as a result of their being part of a capsuleer militia corporation. (To the best of my knowledge although I have been logged out of the Star Fraction information network for a few hours at this point)
As always anyone firing on a Star Fraction vessel will be considered hostile and their corporation/alliance will be set to negative standings although in the case of a mistaken incident we always welcome a diplomatic conversation.
I hope this helps clear things up. Please feel free to contact myself or one of the other directors for more information.
Heartstone
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.17 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: AltBier
What I find mildly confusing is that you are, defacto, seeking to keep people out of the newly descovered regions who, AFAIK, operate under the NRDS which I believe you are trying to foster.
With respect this is inncorrect. We aren't attempting to force people out of a region, in fact we rejoice that thier newly opened up space is already quite heavily populated. What we are trying to do, in part, is attempt to reduce the capulseer support of the core government entites thereby weakening thier ability to quickly "grab" more territory for themsleves.
In regards to the NRDS issue well as stated the only entities who have had thier status changed so far are the corprorations of pilots who have activly engaged us and those government controlled militias. We are, as always, open to diplomatic discussions.
It is with sadness we note that one of the militias has already given orders to it's affiliated capsuleer corporations to unilaterally set Star Fraction to negative standings. I personally hope some of those corporations will see this enclosurist piece of mind control for what it is and withdraw thier support or at least ignore the instruction as it will only lead to more death and destruction.
Heartstone
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.17 12:30:00 -
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You can be rest assured Ms. Syi that we are watching the developments in the Republic with great interest. Personally speaking I feel the Matari people hold the greatest hope for the core systems to evolve into something more accepting of the implications the new capsuleer technologies create for humankind. At this time, with no actual movement seen in their policies, I feel it may be premature to make a full review of our stance in regard to the Republic itself.
On a personal note I was very pleased to hear of the release of so many captive slaves from the Kourmonen system earlier today as was my wife who still has many relations amongst the slaves kept by the Amarrian Empire. However the declaration of Republic Laws being in effect in worries me a great deal as it is a shallow step from this to outright expansionism. If this declaration is officially recognised by the Republic I fear it will be a sign of things to come.
Heartstone
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