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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2012.03.11 12:22:00 -
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Just wondering since:
- Most of the bots are gone - Drone Mins are apparently going - I haven't seen a hulk mining in months - Mining is inherently dull and there's many many many easier ways to make considerably more money.
Someone needs to pick up a mining laser cus I'm sure as hell not doing it. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |

Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:21:00 -
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Don't worry, my alts will take care of it... :p
But, you know... my alts was in few corps that were in all indy alliances... and we mined A LOT. And then suicide ganks started... ok... but then war decs started... and... all our mining stop and alliance is dead now. So... thats a balance... you kill miners, or don't give them opportunity to mine and price will go up... and vice versa. That way its all balanced. |

Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:26:00 -
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With mineral prices on the up I recently busted out my mining barge. I'm sure there are others who will do the same. For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2805
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:26:00 -
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Soon...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5413
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:30:00 -
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MehGǪ the mineral basket is still under-priced by about 1k ISK. Trit needs to rise by another 0.26 ISK or so before the apocalypse comes. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:38:00 -
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The market will take care of it, as prices go up more people will start mining and then prices will start stabilizing again. Why do people always get over dramatic with this stuff? |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:40:00 -
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Make it worth it then i will mine my self |

Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:41:00 -
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Nedes Betternaem wrote:The market will take care of it, as prices go up more people will start mining and then prices will start stabilizing again. Why do people always get over dramatic with this stuff?
Because ppl are bad in economy. |

Dominia Stevens
Foraker Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.03.11 14:07:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote: - Mining is inherently dull and there's many many many easier ways to make considerably more money.
Yes, because when mineral prices skyrocket because of mineral shortages, mining will still be the same profit, amrite? 
I think you'll need to take an Economics 101. Specifically about supply and demand. :) |

Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1040
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Posted - 2012.03.11 14:22:00 -
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Trit and pye should normalize to price range between 4.5-5.5 isk/unit... mex has already reached the peak and other minerals are soon to follow... isogen and bc minerals are still somewhat undervalued.
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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.03.11 14:36:00 -
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Dominia Stevens wrote:Miss Whippy wrote: - Mining is inherently dull and there's many many many easier ways to make considerably more money.
Yes, because when mineral prices skyrocket because of mineral shortages, mining will still be the same profit, amrite?  I think you'll need to take an Economics 101. Specifically about supply and demand. :)
Most experienced miners tell me that even when mining was good it could only make them about 40 Mill an hour. 40 Mill an hour is nothing, I **** 40 mill an hour.
So, no you're not right. There are far better and easier ways to earn money. I guess you need to take basic maths. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |

Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
754
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Posted - 2012.03.11 14:47:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Most experienced miners tell me that even when mining was good it could only make them about 40 Mill an hour. 40 Mill an hour is nothing, I **** 40 mill an hour.
So, no you're not right. There are far better and easier ways to earn money. I guess you need to take basic maths. So does this mean you're not going to be out there mining? I can hardly see why squatting all day long would be so much better. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.03.11 14:51:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:Most experienced miners tell me that even when mining was good it could only make them about 40 Mill an hour. 40 Mill an hour is nothing, I **** 40 mill an hour.
So, no you're not right. There are far better and easier ways to earn money. I guess you need to take basic maths. So does this mean you're not going to be out there mining? I can hardly see why squatting all day long would be so much better.
And what's wrong with squatting?  Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |

Dominia Stevens
Foraker Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.03.11 14:52:00 -
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40 mil ISK an hour, for mining, an activity that scales far better than missions. Incursions will be nerfed, missions are a lot more effort than mining, and you cannot run 5, 10 or 20 accounts doing missions, while 10 accounts mining is easily achievable.
Bubble the gates and have scouts. If any hostiles show up, fleet warp your hulks to a POS. |

Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:00:00 -
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Dominia Stevens wrote:40 mil ISK an hour, for mining, an activity that scales far better than missions. Incursions will be nerfed, missions are a lot more effort than mining, and you cannot run 5, 10 or 20 accounts doing missions, while 10 accounts mining is easily achievable.
Bubble the gates and have scouts. If any hostiles show up, fleet warp your hulks to a POS.
Trouble shows up quite a lot more frequently these days though. Especially when someone gets wind that there's a guy duel-boxing ten accounts in one system. I'm saying you're wrong, just saying it's not that simple.
Anyway, I'm only speculating. Assuming the drone mins nerf is true, mins on the whole will be less available then at any time in recently history. A lot of mineral faucets have been turned off since mining was last profitable, and ganking miners has become a hell of a lot more popular.
If nothing else, we're in for interesting times. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5414
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:09:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:If nothing else, we're in for interesting times. Translation: keep your reprocessing alts ready as people keep listing their new-built ships at the old mineral pricesGǪ 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1025
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:10:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Just wondering since:
- Most of the bots are gone - Drone Mins are apparently going - I haven't seen a hulk mining in months - The few miners there are out there get regularly ganked - Mining is inherently dull and there's many many many easier ways to make considerably more money. - EDIT: OH yeah and reprocessing got a kick in the teeth by CCP a while ago too
Someone needs to pick up a mining laser cus I'm sure as hell not doing it, ans I have ships ans Mods to build.
Mining is inherently relaxing and there are many more click-intensive ways to make a little bit more money for the effort.
Reprocessing is fine. In fact, I'd say reprocessing needs a good whack with the nerf bat (why do navies have better quality refineries than mining corporations?).
Mining's fine. As mineral prices go up, more miners will get their fleets out of mothballs to make some easy ISK.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5414
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:13:00 -
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GǪalso, the skill requirements for the Covetor are coming down, so that's a neat boost to the low-key/semi-newbie miner that will help smooth things out. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
72
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:21:00 -
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If CCP doesn't touch the market it will take care of itself. Min and ship prices will indeed rise a bit but more people will try to take advantage of that and start mining again, then it will balance out. |

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
487
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:20:00 -
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May I put forward this wonderful idea
1. Remove hulks and reprocessing  2. Remove insurance and wrecks drop nothing  3. Seed Minerals from NPC sources at insane daily amounts...trit 100 isk, pyre 150 isk, zyndrine 25,000 isk, morphite 250,000 plus the rest of the minerals 4. ?!?!?! 5. HIGH RISK! Now you are going to actually lose something and lose it hard. Rifters are the new hurricane price, enjoy being risk adverse and grinding isk to replace it  |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
421
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:28:00 -
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I know where im getting my minerals from.
A while ago i volunteered to work for the mentaly handicapped association and i taught a bunch of ******** kids to mine all day long in EVE.
I then buy them from them at about half the cost and inform their carers that they are have made great strides in becoming socially integrated people.
So im doing my bit for the community and they are helping me with my extensive building programme
Win win I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

BigCountry
Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx
11
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:30:00 -
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Once alloys are rmoved... unless there is a substantial plan to supplement the decrease of minerals hitting the market ... Eve is gonna break.. Yes , more people will start mining ... but that still will not be enough to recover from the sudden drop in mineral supply.... There are no concrete numbers but I speculate atleast 60% of the low end minerals come from alloys ...(and thats being conservative) ... And I reach this number based off the time it takes for miners to bring in ore to refine versus how fast you cna acquire alloys.... this will have no affect on high - ends since they are not driven by alloys... the drop in high ends is almost completely due to the dominion addition of the upgradeable hidden belts in 0.0
I am telling everyone i know , if they have trit , horde it , once CCP removes alloys trit will easily hit 7 isk/unit ... but deep down , I can see it hitting double digits.... |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
504
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:31:00 -
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^ Its not right to abuse the goons in that fashion. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
519
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:33:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:I know where im getting my minerals from.
A while ago i volunteered to work for the mentaly handicapped association and i taught a bunch of ******** kids to mine all day long in EVE.
I then buy them from them at about half the cost and inform their carers that they are have made great strides in becoming socially integrated people.
So im doing my bit for the community and they are helping me with my extensive building programme
Win win
I'm guessing that you taught them how to post in EVE GD too, because that would sure explain a lot of the threads and posters we see around here. .
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2927
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:35:00 -
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It is barely an idea, Aqriue, and it is substantially less than wonderful
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
342
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:45:00 -
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So, your complaining that botting is going, minerals wont all come from one source (drone regions) and that mining will once again be a proffesion worthy of players time?
Thats sort of odd. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5414
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:48:00 -
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BigCountry wrote:I am telling everyone i know , if they have trit , horde it , once CCP removes alloys trit will easily hit 7 isk/unit ... but deep down , I can see it hitting double digits.... GǪand none of that is bad, nor will it in any way GÇ£breakGÇ¥ EVE. The overproduction capacity of the economy is, let's say, substantial GÇö it has dealt with disruptions of similar proportions before without much of a hickup. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
331
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:49:00 -
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*Smiles like a ****** at the great news* The pie is a tautology |

Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
331
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:50:00 -
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Also, it's pretty funny that people fail to recognize that the mining profession is self-regulating :D The pie is a tautology |

Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:51:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Also, it's pretty funny that people fail to recognize that the mining profession is self-regulating :D
Yeah, I mean gankers don't get a say in it at all. It's really really really hard to kill a hulk! Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5414
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:55:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Also, it's pretty funny that people fail to recognize that the mining profession is self-regulating :D Yeah, I mean gankers don't get a say in it at all. Not much, no.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
249
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Posted - 2012.03.13 03:08:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Just wondering since:
- Most of the bots are gone - Drone Mins are apparently going - I haven't seen a hulk mining in months - The few miners there are out there get regularly ganked - Mining is inherently dull and there's many many many easier ways to make considerably more money. - EDIT: OH yeah and reprocessing got a kick in the teeth by CCP a while ago too
Someone needs to pick up a mining laser cus I'm sure as hell not doing it, ans I have ships ans Mods to build.
The boldy bits are fixing the underliney bits. This will balance itself out.
Save the Miners! |

Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.03.13 03:14:00 -
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Please stop making stupid topics.
/thread |

Nikodiemus
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.13 03:22:00 -
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I saw 6-7 hulks just today mining in high HIGH sec while I was running missions. Most of the bots are NOT gone, just a healthy chunk of them. I remember after the unholy wrath or fury or w/e the **** it was when implant prices skyrocketed. They leveled soon after a bit higher.
Drone mins were a mistake from day 1. The drone regions created a null sec power block that, because of its wealth and longevity, was nearly invincible. Too much isk from ratting and not mining reduced the desire and value for miners.
Oh, and since you are obviously a forum warrior and not a real player, there are PLENTY of miners mining and if the drone regions are bereft of their min drops, the miners will only increase.
No **** mining is dull, but that is separate from your argument here. People love dull//non-interactive **** if it makes money. |

Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2012.03.13 03:26:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:Just wondering since:
- Most of the bots are gone - Drone Mins are apparently going - I haven't seen a hulk mining in months - The few miners there are out there get regularly ganked - Mining is inherently dull and there's many many many easier ways to make considerably more money. - EDIT: OH yeah and reprocessing got a kick in the teeth by CCP a while ago too
Someone needs to pick up a mining laser cus I'm sure as hell not doing it, ans I have ships ans Mods to build. Mining is inherently relaxing and there are many more click-intensive ways to make a little bit more money for the effort. Reprocessing is fine. In fact, I'd say reprocessing needs a good whack with the nerf bat (why do navies have better quality refineries than mining corporations?). Mining's fine. As mineral prices go up, more miners will get their fleets out of mothballs to make some easy ISK.
I dunno. There's nothing relaxing about waiting for the inevitable gank. No one is safe in a hulk. Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |

Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2012.03.13 04:47:00 -
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My best guess, mineral prices stabilize when mining hit 110m isk/hour. That's going to be an hell of a ride getting there though (and not going to do anything good for the game). |

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
745
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Posted - 2012.03.13 06:39:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:My best guess, mineral prices stabilize when mining hit 110m isk/hour. That's going to be an hell of a ride getting there though (and not going to do anything good for the game).
Which, for null-sec ABCs, assuming that you're talking pulling in 150k m3 of ore per hour (per hulk, with orca/rorqual boosts) would put the price target for ABCs at about 730 ISK/m3. We're only at around 267 / 287 / 353 for the ABCs right now. That means that the ABCs will have to at least double in value. To do that, you'd need mineral prices at around:
Trit - 6.67 (but that makes Veld worth 200 ISK/m3, which is probably not sustainable).
Nocx - 800-900 ISK/u. Which it hasn't seen, ever. The best it hit since Dec 2009 was around 550. But demand is a lot higher then it was back then, so maybe it will get to 900 ISK/u.
Zydrine - If this goes up to 1200-1300 and stays there, it will do very good things for the ABC ore values. Back in Dec 2009, it was around 1675. Removal or trimming back of drone poo drops might actually put it back up there.
Megacyte - Used to be worth 3600 ISK/u back in Dec 2009, but is only 2600 ISK/u right now. If that goes back up to 3600 ISK/u territory, then that will boost the ABC values nicely.
Morphite is the other mineral that might change, but it doesn't appear in ore.
I can't see hi-sec ores staying above 150-175 ISK/m3 for very long. People will flock to mining the ores again once they get up closer to 200 ISK/m3, which will lead to over-supply, and Trit / Pye prices will crash right back down again. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1032
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Posted - 2012.03.13 06:40:00 -
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Just as an indication of how non-relaxing mining can be, let me tell you a story.
Last night, one of my associates found some grav sites of interest to me (Hed and Hemo in hisec, that is where all my Zydrine comes from). So off I go with a couple of hulks and an orca, only there is someone there already! In MY grav site! So I focussed all the strip miners on the rocks the other guy was mining and ran 1/3 cycles. This way I was able to pop rocks before he could finish a cycle. For those who care, the site was a "small" site, which meant enough ore to fill an Orca: this translates to about 20M ISK.
Mining doesn't need to be made "more interesting," since it is already as exciting as it can be without turning into actual space combat with ships blowing up. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
67
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Posted - 2012.03.13 07:12:00 -
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Don't worry when inflation runs rampant because of the drones being bounties instead of pooping alloys EVERYONE WILL BLAME THE INFLATION ON INCURSIONS and the hi prices of trit well be masked by the ever louder screams to nerf Incursions |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.03.13 07:20:00 -
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I guess this is ccps sick way to buff mining. (tin foil pirate hat) |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3412
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Posted - 2012.03.13 07:26:00 -
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I think reprocessing needs another kick in the mouth espeically module kind and especially in high sec.
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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:59:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:So, your complaining that botting is going, minerals wont all come from one source (drone regions) and that mining will once again be a proffesion worthy of players time?
Thats sort of odd.
No, that part of it is all really great. Where it all falls down is the fact that it's super trendy to gank miners these days, and everyone and their auntie is doing it. Exhumers being so incredibly flimsy and vulnerable to suicide ganks is the reason you barely ever see mining ships any more. That and botting bans of course.
I've got nothing against suicide ganks and would never suggest preventing it, but miners DO need some sort of fighting chance. Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |
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