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Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:19:00 - [1] If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:33:00 - [2] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dheorl If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way. But a pvp cruiser will kill you within web range. A noob cruiser can be killed in a stationary T1 frig so that's no real argument. AB sucks, even in web range. You try hitting someone going 210m/s at a range of 500m and with a sig of about 25m using cruiser guns.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:42:00 - [3] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dheorl If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way. But a pvp cruiser will kill you within web range. A noob cruiser can be killed in a stationary T1 frig so that's no real argument. AB sucks, even in web range. You try hitting someone going 210m/s at a range of 500m and with a sig of about 25m using cruiser guns. Don't have to hit you much. A slight sneeze, missile launcher or a hobgoblin II means you die. I can easily tank light drones long enough to kill them, a single missile launcher will do FA to me, the only thing to worry about is a lucky chain of wreckings.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:49:00 - [4] Originally by: James Lyrus The incidences of someone being solo and therefore vulnerable to point blank interceptor face hacking, is depressingly short. That is definatly the hardest part of flying an AB ceptor solo. There are still just about enough targets out there though if you look around a bit.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 12:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Streikeer So what are the skills that are prety much mandatory to be able to sustain cap stable mwd while orbiting and scrambling an opponent? High speed manouvering, propulasion jamming, energy management and energy systems operation.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:59:00 - [6] Of course an AB ceptor isn't always the best ship for a job for fighting cruiser in web range, you could always say you may as well use a cruiser if your gona do that, but then why not use a BC or HAC, when it comes to it why not use a BS. It may not be the best ship for the job but it can be great fun and in lowsec you don't need the speed the MWD gives you.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Dheorl on 14/06/2008 21:54:25 Originally by: Shiken Kan with a full halo set the lowest you can get is a bit over 18m sig, small drones have 25m resolution, so they still can hit you pretty hard. rockets can get down to 20m explosion radius, so the damage reduction by sig nature is minimal, precision light missiles have 15m explo radius and cruises from a stealth bomber 21. All those will kill you. You have trouble engaging with ab as you're very slow compared to mwding frigs and cruisers, what's worse you can't disengage. circling around anything with a web at 500m is purely hypothetical because you won't be able to dictate range. Now if you do have the money to get a ceptor to decent speeds with ab it might be better, but the question is won't you be doing better flying an ultrafast mwd ceptor for the same money? Your faster than any T1 cruiser with a MWD apart from the stabber. You can therefore orbit at 500m because you can dictate range. Of course your gona stay away from ships desinged to kill you - drone boats spring to mind, how many cruisers fit rockets though and on frigs it doesn't matter because you'll easily manage to kill them first. Also like I said, who cares about a flight of light drones or the odd missile launcher as a secondary weapon, you can kill the drones and tank the missiles.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Alex Shurk Originally by: Dheorl You can therefore orbit at 500m And then get webbed, and then die a horrible, horrible death. Have you not read anything I've said. With my AB ceptors I fully expect to get webbed. Try hitting a ceptor going 200-250m/s whilst its at 500m using medium guns. Light drones you say, ooh yay, they'll get blown staight out the sky. The fact is ceptors don't die as soon as they hit web range, I hate to burst your bubble that you always have to fit ceptors with a MWD and orbit as fast as you can at max scram range because you just don't.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.17 19:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Alex Shurk Originally by: Dheorl Try hitting a ceptor going 200-250m/s... It's easy. Missile boats will have no problems whatsoever. All close range guns will do it, and even most low-tier long range guns will do it, especially with some creative piloting. Oh, and a flight of light drones will have you dead before you've killed them all. They don't simply "fall from the sky". You can't engage and avoid a ship and all its drones at the same time as maintaining an efficient high-trans orbit. I don't engage missile boats for that reason, also if your honestly saying that a long range medium turret can hit a frig in a fast tight orbit then I really really want acess to whatever guns your using because normal ones sure as hell can't do it. I can tank a flight of light drones for about 2 minutes, easily long enough to kill them in my experience, epsecially seeing as once I've knocked 2 out I can perma tank them. Originally by: Alex Shurk It's not doing its job and it's doing nothing for the gang. You're talking ****e. It's hard to do something for a gang when there isn't a gang there. It's meant purely for solo work.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.19 12:13:00 - [10] Edited by: Dheorl on 19/06/2008 12:15:30 Originally by: Agor Dirdonen Nope, I disagree. It's quite easy to kill an inty when it's webbed and neuted, even in a BC (no experience myself in a BS though). Done it myself a couple of times. Hardest part of it is getting the inty in your webrange and neuted. Once that's succeeded, let go some light drones who finish it off in 10 secs. Thats because those inty's proberly were never meant to go into web range. My small NOS helps me survive neuts to some extent and the drones just get killed. Originally by: Alex Shurk Originally by: Dheorl It's hard to do something for a gang when there isn't a gang there. It's meant purely for solo work. Well, that explains why you're failing so spectacularly. Ceptors are gang ships. Tackling bonuses, speed, low dps. Which part of that is screaming "I'M A SOLO GANKER!!!" at you? Tackler bonus is great for catching targets, speed makes you nice and survivable which is always good and the dps isn't so low that it can't kill cruisers. Go and look at someone like evil edna (I know her name gets chucked around alot but everyone seems to know of her) on a killboard and say that ceptors can't be used solo. P.S. Where am I failing? I'm getting the kills, I'm just doing it differently.

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