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Silgaran
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:57:00 -
[31]
/signed
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Blind Jhon
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:34:00 -
[32]
i saw what nos nerf contribute to do at tempest...
...and it several dismantled amarr recon.. now is the time to do someting...
in italy we say that after some time a problem starts smelling
MEH 100% SUPORT THIS REQUEST fix the amar recon asap
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Tankn00blicus
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2008.06.20 22:25:00 -
[33]
Option 2 sounds nice.
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Karan Hanid
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Posted - 2008.06.21 02:54:00 -
[34]
/signed
Pilgrim needs to be reworked.
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Cheraldo
Human Liberty Syndicate
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 19:42:00 -
[35]
Agree, it needs the range bonus
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FunzzeR
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.22 19:02:00 -
[36]
Edited by: FunzzeR on 22/06/2008 19:02:56
Agreed, give the pilgrim some love....
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Chris Vattic
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:26:00 -
[37]
I think swapping the Recon skill requirement for Amarr Industrial V one brings out it's intended purpose. I mean, what else can carry 1,400 m3 of stuff, be agile and use a Cov Ops cloak? After a 30 page thread about making it viable for PvP without any responses what else could it mean, CCP clearly wants it to be a hauler...
And yes, I fully endorse this product. Give it Nos and Neutralizer range and maybe remove the Nosferatu nerf, that should stop people thinking 'lulz' when one brings a Pilgrim into the gang.
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Trader Man
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:51:00 -
[38]
+1
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Arkanjuca
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:46:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Arkanjuca on 24/06/2008 18:46:41
+1
edit: support 
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AF should be like HACs
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EveTerrorist
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.25 13:12:00 -
[40]
/signed
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Zulfiqaar
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:46:00 -
[41]
hmmm.
amarr recon = curse.
its the most baddass combat recon out there.
i reckon the pilgrim should give up the NOS/Neut charade, just give it a bonus for remote armour rep, et voila, one cloaked logistics ship for your ninja gang.
would a cloaked curse not be totally Imba?
and atm, there's no solid logistics for the cloaked family...
if there not going to 'fix' the pilgrims bonuses, they should at least give it a new/needed role, coz atm, its just a coffin with wings...
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Synapse Archae
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:51:00 -
[42]
Supported. So unhappy the pilgrim doesn rock like it should.
- - - Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Wolf Soldier
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.26 14:53:00 -
[43]
change is needed
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Taex
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:43:00 -
[44]
The pilgrim is a broken epic failboat.
Fix it.
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Pran Chole
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:44:00 -
[45]
/signed
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Tepelath
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:52:00 -
[46]
Why doesn't it have the range bonuses like every other recon?
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Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:53:00 -
[47]
I dunno about the options in the OP, but the Pilgrim needs professional help.
I love my curse, but the pilgrim is a joke.
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Sieessenschwanz
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:54:00 -
[48]
this thing is still broken?!?!!
wtf?
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MarleWH
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Posted - 2008.07.17 03:46:00 -
[49]
CCP says "No, we are way to lazy to fix anything important like this."
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.07.17 04:16:00 -
[50]
Edited by: LetsDoThis on 17/07/2008 04:16:31
Remove tracking disrupter bonus and add give nos/neut range.
and leave my goddamn drone bonus alone
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Christari Zuborov
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 04:40:00 -
[51]
Needs fixed badly!
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Itanis
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:21:00 -
[52]
The pilgrim (and curse for that matter) need to be restored to gangsta status.
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MarleWH
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:39:00 -
[53]
Can we get some CCP or CSM luvin in here?
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.17 07:55:00 -
[54]
I WUB OPTION 1! GIEF ME OGRE IIs WIHT MAH PELGREM!
we are recruiting!
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OHNODICKYSPROUTS
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Posted - 2008.07.17 19:10:00 -
[55]
Yes
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.18 02:08:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Itanis
The pilgrim (and curse for that matter) need to be restored to gangsta status.
Yes I demand for the Curse to return to multiple-BS-pwning mode.
Seriously? The Curse is evil as hell still. The Pilgrim should probably be reworked, although, if they gave it about 2k cargo, I think it'd be awesome. The amarr would have a Force Recon Indy, and as silly as that sounds to some, I think it'd actually be pretty badass.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.18 10:10:00 -
[57]
Nicely written and thought out post-to a certain extent. While in general agreement that the Pilgrim can use "something" I believe your suggestions to improve the ship are heading in the wrong direction and detract from the overall unique scary-in-your-face nature of the ship.
Flying-as you say-"outside the box" is not a bad thing at all.
"NOS/Neut Range bonus"-Why is this needed? So the Pilgrim too can become another variation on speed fits? The Curse does this just fine!
Prior to the NOS balance nobody complained the Pilgrim was too slow or suffered in any real fashion by being a short range attacker. Since the NOS balance the Pilgrim simply needs more pilot skill and creativity in order to fly with effectiveness. And lets admit it...pre-NOS balance/drone bandwidth changes the Pilgrim WAS overpowered.
Current examples:
1-I know for a fact the Verone (Veto) engaged multiple cruisers solo...killing a couple and actually ransoming the remainder. This is post-balancing btw.
2-I put a lot of thought into the Pilgrim when I cross-trained Amarr specifically for the Pilgrim/Curse (I am a full-spec Minmatar recon pilot btw). After a lot of thought and testing I came up with what I believe is a pretty solid fit resulting in (just last week):
Victim: XXXXXXX
Corp: XXXXXXX
Alliance: XXXXXXX
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Vagabond
System: Frerstorn
Security: 0.3
Damage Taken: 13369
Involved parties:
Name: RuleoftheBone (laid the final blow)
Security: -9.7
Corp: XXXXXXXX
Alliance: XXXXXXX
Faction: NONE
Ship: Pilgrim
Weapon: Hammerhead II
Damage Done: 10831
Name: Angel Hunter / Archangels
Damage Done: 2538
Vagabond was a generic vanilla fit caught stalking noob dessies in belts. Pilot was taken completely by surprise (as it should be) upon decloaking and instantly found himself with zero cap, webbed, and tracking disrupted (Turret destab IV on my part). The only weapon of his remaining useful were his 5 Warrior II's that eventually burned off my shields while barely scratching my armor tank (details shortly) before he dropped after roughly 4 minutes. I expended exactly one cap booster 800...and that was mostly to make room for loot  .
Please refrain from pointing at the above and yelling about epeen boasting. While a very satisfactory kill from a personal standpoint it just illustrates how nasty the Pilgrim can be with a bit of thought, patience, and frankly...pilot skill. It also shows why Vaga pilots should carry EWAR drones solo  .
My Pilgrim fit:
[Pilgrim, Final]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating
Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating
Medium Armor Repairer II
Internal Force Field Array I
10MN Afterburner II
Domination Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Anti-Thermic Pump I
Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Valkyrie II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5
Requires Recon V and excellent support skills. Despite faction fittings the ship cost is roughly what my typical Rapier setup runs.
-Yes...it's slow. But 1-v-1 with cloak advantage this is generally irrelevant. And properly fit it has a beastly tank (both buffer and resist-wise)
-Yes...success depends on correct target selection. Yet the same applies to my Rapier/Huginn and those ships solo rely on proper target selection too (trust me...I have beaten my head against enough Drakes and other passive tank missile spammers to know better ).
(cont)
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.18 10:11:00 -
[58]
reserved
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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waristina
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.18 11:45:00 -
[59]
agree.
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NvyoU
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Posted - 2008.07.18 11:54:00 -
[60]
Edited by: NvyoU on 18/07/2008 11:53:43
Signed
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