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Kookie Snr
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Posted - 2008.06.14 19:58:00 -
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I use a Golem usually for my Lvl 4 Amarr missions, but it gets boring after a while so starting to cross train - I had planned for a Paladin, possibly a nightmare but I want a ship that can salvage as well.
Just got Heavy drones II, and started playing with the Dominix and I love it, so going for sentries II, the only problem no decent salvaging.
So do you know if there are plans for a Marauder drone boat?
Cheers
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Kookie Snr
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Posted - 2008.06.14 19:58:00 -
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I use a Golem usually for my Lvl 4 Amarr missions, but it gets boring after a while so starting to cross train - I had planned for a Paladin, possibly a nightmare but I want a ship that can salvage as well.
Just got Heavy drones II, and started playing with the Dominix and I love it, so going for sentries II, the only problem no decent salvaging.
So do you know if there are plans for a Marauder drone boat?
Cheers
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.06.14 20:03:00 -
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Dare I ask what you use the 3 utility slots for?
A domi can do quite well with 2 salvagers, 2 tractor beams, an aggro gun and a smartbomb in it's highs. Not the quickest way by any means, but... far above average.
Parrots, commence!
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.06.14 20:03:00 -
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Dare I ask what you use the 3 utility slots for?
A domi can do quite well with 2 salvagers, 2 tractor beams, an aggro gun and a smartbomb in it's highs. Not the quickest way by any means, but... far above average.
Parrots, commence!
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.14 21:29:00 -
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Wouldn't a drone boat be even more boring than a missile boat?
I doubt we'll see any.
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KingOzar
Brute Strength
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.14 21:30:00 -
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Amen, I want a tech 2 Domi that doesn't suck.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.14 21:58:00 -
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The Gallente Marauder *should* have been:
Domi
For slots H/M/L: 5/6/7 would be ideal, but perhaps too good. 6/6/6 gives great flexibility, probably asking to be shieldtanked. 6/5/7 would work well, and could make use of Kronos armor tanking bonuses, so could 5/5/7 if Drone ships really have to be slot gimped compared to their counterparts.
Kronos bonuses, but only 3 gun slots. 125m3 bandwidth, biggest dronebay of subcapitals.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.06.14 22:29:00 -
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 Originally by: KingOzar
Amen, I want a tech 2 Domi that doesn't suck.
Dude, we have the Sin. Oh wait... Now I see what you mean.
(Speaking of which, weren't the f-tards at CCP suppossed to un-nerf the Black Ops sometime soon?).
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.06.14 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
The Gallente Marauder *should* have been:
Domi
For slots H/M/L: 5/6/7 would be ideal, but perhaps too good. 6/6/6 gives great flexibility, probably asking to be shieldtanked. 6/5/7 would work well, and could make use of Kronos armor tanking bonuses, so could 5/5/7 if Drone ships really have to be slot gimped compared to their counterparts.
Kronos bonuses, but only 3 gun slots. 125m3 bandwidth, biggest dronebay of subcapitals.
On the contrary, 50Mbps bandwidth, but with a +100% damage bonus, on top of the standard +10% per level. Hammerheads working as Ogres \o/
Parrots, commence!
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Kookie Snr
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Posted - 2008.06.14 23:54:00 -
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Yes you can use salvagers and tractor beams, but without bonuses the tractor beams only hit 20km, and it's not like the domi is a nippy ship to fly about deadspace to get within 20km of wrecks - So no it isn't on par to any marauder, no matter how many tractor beams or salvagers you fit.
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White Ronin
Screenout
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Posted - 2008.06.15 00:39:00 -
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The Domi was too good.
You cant make ANY improvement worth mentioning without making that hull type overpowered.
The Sin is a perfect example.
Scared the devs so much when they tested it they nerfed the whole ship class in an attempt to bury the evidence.
I have here a quote given to me by an unidentified trusted source outlining, in its entirety, ccp's reaction and plans to correct this issue....
Quote:
crap...
See.
SET MY PEOPLE FREE!
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
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On the contrary, 50Mbps bandwidth, but with a +100% damage bonus, on top of the standard +10% per level. Hammerheads working as Ogres \o/
It would have to be 150% but it would be fun nevertheless 
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:03:00 -
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Problem is giving it a huge bonus to drones would make the ECM nerf used on the entire marauders class much less effective, thus making it an overpoered solo machine. Regardless of lock, it will do lol omg DPS and be able to bump people to prevent them from warping.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:12:00 -
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How would a Drone Marauder work? A Domi with 60 Bandwidth and double drone bonuses?
What would be the point?
The point of a Marauder is that its high output hardpoints fit standard Battleship firepower onto fewer slots and thereby allow you to fit additional utility hardware. The Domi can already do that to a degree (it's sub par Battleship firepower if you're drones only but...) in fact it's pretty much what the NosDomi is all about.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: NoNah
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On the contrary, 50Mbps bandwidth, but with a +100% damage bonus, on top of the standard +10% per level. Hammerheads working as Ogres \o/
It would have to be 150% but it would be fun nevertheless
Actually...
Ogre deals 48 damage, every 4 seconds with a 1.92 multi.
Hammerhead deals 24 damage, every 4 seconds with a 1.92 multi.
24 * 2 = 48. =)
Parrots, commence!
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/06/2008 10:51:42
Wait wait wait.
If it were to be say, a Marauder, I have the perfect, ungodly Dominix that would be a tech 2 holy **** storm.
Ouranos
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level.
Marauders Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to armor repairer amount and 5% bonus to armor kinetic and thermic resistances per skill level.
Special Ability: 10% Drone MicroWarpdrive speed increase, 50% bonus to drone damage.
Attributes:
Grid: 9800
CPU: 620
Lowslots: 7
Midslots: 4
Highslots: 6
Turret Hardpoints: 3
Shield Capacity: 5960
Armor HP: 7114
Structure HP: 7971
Max Velocity: 130
Inertia Modifier: 0.180
Drone Capacity: 250m3
Cargo Capacity: 520 m3
Mass: 96,000,000 kg
Volume: 1,010,000 m3 packaged
Capacitor Capacity: 6000
Max Targeting Range: 84 km
Max Locked Targets: 8
Magnetometric Sensor Strength: 17
Signature Radius: 450 m
Scan Resolution: 92 m
Calibration: 400
Rig Slots: 2
Epic. Win. Fast, balanced and damaging, with a rounded slot configuration that inspires solo combat (whether PVE or PVP.)
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 15/06/2008 12:01:16
You don't use Sentries do you, Siigari?
Only 4 midslots removes flexibility, and makes sentry drone use less appealing, as does the mwd bonus.
Also, why is the cargo space gimped? And the premier subcapital drone ship of the game with a pitiful 250m3 of drone space? Nah, I'm not liking your suggestion at all.
Nor Nonah's, because he too forgets about sentries.
Marauders are supposed to be good for PvE. For a droneboat, whose pirmary function isn't to afk, that means sentries.
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.15 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Edited by: Qui Shon on 15/06/2008 12:01:16
You don't use Sentries do you, Siigari?
Uh, yes I do.
Originally by: Qui Shon
Only 4 midslots removes flexibility, and makes sentry drone use less appealing, as does the mwd bonus.
Whine.
Originally by: Qui Shon
Also, why is the cargo space gimped? And the premier subcapital drone ship of the game with a pitiful 250m3 of drone space? Nah, I'm not liking your suggestion at all.
This is something I stared at for a few minutes and thought "more drones = more CCP whining." The problem with more drones is that you give more "slots" to the player effectively, and CCP does not like that.
Originally by: Qui Shon
Nor Nonah's, because he too forgets about sentries.
Whine. Sentries are sort of... hard to use in PVP. But you have 250m3... that's two racks.
Originally by: Qui Shon
Marauders are supposed to be good for PvE. For a droneboat, whose pirmary function isn't to afk, that means sentries.
And for those that like to PVP, that means high damaging drones with a dash of holycrapthat'salotofdpsow.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.06.15 16:13:00 -
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Sigh.. what most of you tend to forget is that CCP has a love-hate relationship with drones. Everybody loves the idea of drones, but everybody also hates lag.
I've flown a dominix since I was 1 month old (that's over 4 years ago) and forget amarr, forget caldari, drones have been nerfed continuously for that time. I have never found a better drone ship and tbh I've lost any hope of ever getting a better one.
Sure drones do more damage now to compensate the fact that I can no longer use 15 at a time, but more is always better with the lovely random generator in EvE. We've got more drones to pick from (like web drones) and we actually got drone modules !! Of course we don't have drone implants, drone damage mods, only 1 decent drone rig, still don't have tech II drone mods, still lacking many tech II drones. Drone bandwidth was a fun concept but they completely missed a great opportunity there to really make fun drone ships.
The new named drones... sadly I haven't seen any yet, they should be pretty kewl, then again drones are so easy to kill these days it's almost pathetic and drones are the only weapon system for which one needs to be docked/near a carrier to restock a fleet. They still have bugs, nano-ers can still get away easy and sentries, while superb, can hardly be used in fleet combat.
Getting a drone marauder would mean getting something close to the old domi back, not even I want that, I still feel you can do a lot with it, no need to give the eft/forum idiots more ammo.
Afaik CCP will not do anything with/about drones and drone ships for a long while.
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me..
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.15 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Whine.
Whine?
Yeah, brilliant argumentation, I totally see your point now...not. Seriously, in plain english, your drone marauder just sucks big time.
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And for those that like to PVP, that means high damaging drones with a dash of holycrapthat'salotofdpsow.
And that is of course exactly what the devs do NOT want, and why the Kronos lost it's 125mbit bandwidth. Keitaror raises a good point in that.
Well, in any case we're stuck with the Kronos now, but I think a lot of people agree it was the wrong choice. Not everyone, of course. Like the symmetry freaks, for example, who will shout tier two!
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AKULA UrQuan
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.15 18:04:00 -
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Black-ops = Tier 1 hulls.
Marauders = Tier 2 hulls.
Might get a tech II drone boat battleship with Tier 3 hulls but I'm expecting something along the lines of a strange micro Dreadnought for dealing with defended cynojamed systems.
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White Ronin
Screenout
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Posted - 2008.06.15 18:05:00 -
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As I said before, the Domi is too perfect.
Do ANYTHING but add extra high slots and you make it a solopwnmobile.
Not that I would mind one of those, considering the Sin as their first example of expanding the domi hull types, you will probably see the Great Drone Mother elected Emperor of the Amarr people before you see an improvement on the domi hull type.
This includes the long awaited customs, rogue drone and navy domi or sin class.
It just aint gunna happen unless it is done like the guardian vexor:
Limited amount to make is so noone in their right mind would ever fly it.
Seriously.
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Exquina
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Exquina on 17/06/2008 13:11:06
I agree with objective players to this topic :o
Tier3 Battleships will most likely be pvp oriented once they do come out as tech2 vessels.
Atm marauder is made just for PVE ISK grind thingy.
Can't rly imagine Drone marauder tbh :o
Personaly I have 3bil faction fitted paladin that can deal around 800 dps up to 50km range (still training up gunnery and for +5% implant) without drones. 2x salvagers and 1xsmall tractor beam which goes 1000m/s and 39km range.Perfect cargohold space to complete any lvl4 mission in about 30min with kills/loot and salvaged parts.
I though about PVP aswell but the ship is useless for it's cost, beside a very high alpha strike on mostly stationary targets.
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:27:00 -
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I would drool on a ship that has drones/missiles as it's main weaponry, oh, and shieldtanked.
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White Ronin
Screenout
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:25:00 -
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But to answer your question about making a domi marauder, the bonuses to the ship are so that extra highs are not added.
Since the domi does not need its highs as primary damage dealers, simply adding a armor rep bonus and tractor beam bonus and possible expand highs one or two more and you have the ultimate domi marauder.
A remote armor rep range bonus would really be outstanding for this class of ship but would make then overpowered in the extreme.
But that is all ya need.
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Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
I would drool on a ship that has drones/missiles as it's main weaponry, oh, and shieldtanked.
Sort of reminds me of an idea I had a few years ago for a Syndicate Dominix, except mine required Amarr Battleship and had lasers instead of missiles 
Originally by: Tarminic
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