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Napro
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:38:00 -
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Loving FW so far and it seems a new age of PvP is opening up and it's fantastic.
But why are these "neutrals" in Black Rise allowed to roam free? Scavenging up all the high-dollar wrecks and what not?
If these people are in a war-zone I should be allowed to gank them without worrying about a sec hit, and so should any faction fighting in the war-zone. Keeping warp bubbles and other 0.0 things out of low-sec is something I agree with... but I cant tell how many times one of my fleet mates has gone flashing red and taken a sec hit for accidentally shooting on some ******* neut that was waiting to salvage and loot after we do all the work.
Not to mention all the alt. scouts that follow fleets like bloodsucking ticks, completely eliminating any chance of surprise in this war.
Thoughts?
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Napro
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:38:00 -
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Loving FW so far and it seems a new age of PvP is opening up and it's fantastic.
But why are these "neutrals" in Black Rise allowed to roam free? Scavenging up all the high-dollar wrecks and what not?
If these people are in a war-zone I should be allowed to gank them without worrying about a sec hit, and so should any faction fighting in the war-zone. Keeping warp bubbles and other 0.0 things out of low-sec is something I agree with... but I cant tell how many times one of my fleet mates has gone flashing red and taken a sec hit for accidentally shooting on some ******* neut that was waiting to salvage and loot after we do all the work.
Not to mention all the alt. scouts that follow fleets like bloodsucking ticks, completely eliminating any chance of surprise in this war.
Thoughts?
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Constance Harme on 15/06/2008 04:44:07
 Originally by: Napro
If these people are in a war-zone I should be allowed to gank them without worrying about a sec hit...
Last time I checked its still illegal for a soldier to shoot a civilian/non-combatant even if he is in a war zone. Dont see why it would be different here.
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Constance Harme on 15/06/2008 04:44:07
Originally by: Napro
If these people are in a war-zone I should be allowed to gank them without worrying about a sec hit...
Last time I checked its still illegal for a soldier to shoot a civilian/non-combatant even if he is in a war zone. Dont see why it would be different here.
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alexreborn
Virulence.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:45:00 -
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wouldn't he be flagged??
and umm.... it might be illegal for a soldier to shoot a civilian, thats unarmed, and not involved in the conflict, but a Civilian poking away at the remains of a dead soldier, trying to steal the stuff from his carcass?
ud get thrown in Guantanamo for that.
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alexreborn
Virulence.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:45:00 -
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wouldn't he be flagged??
and umm.... it might be illegal for a soldier to shoot a civilian, thats unarmed, and not involved in the conflict, but a Civilian poking away at the remains of a dead soldier, trying to steal the stuff from his carcass?
ud get thrown in Guantanamo for that.
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Napro
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:46:00 -
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yes but if it's an obvious spy following the army from house to house, he'd be shot dead.
why is looting cans a crime but salvaging a wreck not a crime?
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Napro
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:46:00 -
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yes but if it's an obvious spy following the army from house to house, he'd be shot dead.
why is looting cans a crime but salvaging a wreck not a crime?
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
Not to mention all the alt. scouts that follow fleets like bloodsucking ticks, completely eliminating any chance of surprise in this war.
Thoughts?
Welcome to PVP in EVE, chief.
Originally by: Rachel Vend
... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
Not to mention all the alt. scouts that follow fleets like bloodsucking ticks, completely eliminating any chance of surprise in this war.
Thoughts?
Welcome to PVP in EVE, chief.
Originally by: Rachel Vend
... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:57:00 -
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In 0.0 you get scouted/tailed the same way, only in 0.0 people use CovOps or 10km/s+ intys. In low sec it's much cheaper for people to use neutral throw away alts in shuttles/rookie ships to get the same effect.
The Pusher Man |
Segge Bolled
Rainy Day Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
why is looting cans a crime but salvaging a wreck not a crime?
Salvage:
1.the act of saving a ship or its cargo from perils of the seas.
2.the property so saved.
3.compensation given to those who voluntarily save a ship or its cargo.
4.the act of saving anything from fire, danger, etc.
5.the property saved from danger.
6.the value or proceeds upon sale of goods recovered from a fire.
7.to save from shipwreck, fire, etc.
And,
8. Not something you're automatically entitled to just because you lost/killed it.
9. Something very few people in EVE seem to understand the concept of at all.
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.06.15 05:00:00 -
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Black Rise is mostly low sec. So why not just shoot them and drive them off?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.15 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
why is looting cans a crime but salvaging a wreck not a crime?
Oh look, the mission runners- cum- conscripts of the Caldari militia are whining about salvage "theft."
How did I fail to see this one coming? 
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cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 05:12:00 -
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Shoot them if you don't like it, or, better yet, shoot your own wrecks. I don't think there's a sec hit for shooting your own wrecks, and you deny them the salvage. Eventually they'll get the idea and leave.
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Earning Isk
Basic Skills
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.06.15 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
If these people are in a war-zone I should be allowed to gank them without worrying about a sec hit
So don't worry about it. Problem solved. 
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In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.15 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
yes but if it's an obvious spy following the army from house to house, he'd be shot dead.
Fun, irrelevant fact, but no he wouldn't, that's a war crime
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.06.15 06:14:00 -
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Welcome to PvP/low sec. Grow some balls and kill something despite the sec hit, or quit whining.
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TARG AK
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.15 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Napro
why is looting cans a crime but salvaging a wreck not a crime?
Oh look, the mission runners- cum- conscripts of the Caldari militia are whining about salvage "theft."
How did I fail to see this one coming?
Geeze, what a bitter old hag,
What gets me is all of the dudes in this game that use a female alt, whats up with that? Role playing perhaps?
Thinking about it evokes a silance of the lambs image *shudders*
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.06.15 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Eternal Error on 15/06/2008 06:35:24
Originally by: TARG AK
Geeze, what a bitter old hag,
What gets me is all of the dudes in this game that use a female alt, whats up with that? Role playing perhaps?
Thinking about it evokes a silance of the lambs image *shudders*
Many Men Online RolePlaying Girls.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.15 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: TARG AK
Geeze, what a bitter old hag,
What gets me is all of the dudes in this game that use a female alt, whats up with that? Role playing perhaps?
Thinking about it evokes a silance of the lambs image *shudders*
So. First time on the internet?
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TARG AK
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.15 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: TARG AK
Geeze, what a bitter old hag,
What gets me is all of the dudes in this game that use a female alt, whats up with that? Role playing perhaps?
Thinking about it evokes a silance of the lambs image *shudders*
So. First time on the internet?
OMG!
How did YOU know!
It's like you know everything or something!
Dude, your amazing.
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Hesod Adee
Xen Of Onslaught
Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: TARG AK
What gets me is all of the dudes in this game that use a female alt, whats up with that? Role playing perhaps?
Thinking about it evokes a silance of the lambs image *shudders*
For most MMOs you have to stare at your characters ass for hours on end. So you make it nice to look at. And once habits form they are hard to break.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: TARG AK
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Napro
why is looting cans a crime but salvaging a wreck not a crime?
Oh look, the mission runners- cum- conscripts of the Caldari militia are whining about salvage "theft."
How did I fail to see this one coming?
Geeze, what a bitter old hag,
What gets me is all of the dudes in this game that use a female alt, whats up with that? Role playing perhaps?
Thinking about it evokes a silance of the lambs image *shudders*
I think that evocation says more about you than the people with female avatars.
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Lelulie
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hesod Adee
Originally by: TARG AK
What gets me is all of the dudes in this game that use a female alt, whats up with that? Role playing perhaps?
Thinking about it evokes a silance of the lambs image *shudders*
For most MMOs you have to stare at your characters ass for hours on end. So you make it nice to look at. And once habits form they are hard to break.
It's pixels
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:04:00 -
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Thanks guys. Glad to know chivalry ain't dead.
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Steve Celeste
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:02:00 -
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1. FW is an isk SINK, get used to it
2. Ask your FC for permission to own neutrals if you have enough sec status and can tank gate guns
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/06/2008 10:10:39
Originally by: F'nog
Black Rise is mostly low sec. So why not just shoot them and drive them off?
People dont want the sec hit and/or gate guns. It delays the fleet while waiting for the timer to run out.
But sometimes you just cant help yourself so you pop that cherry anyway. 
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Its dead, Jim.
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hesod Adee
For most MMOs you have to stare at your characters ass for hours on end. So you make it nice to look at. And once habits form they are hard to break.
I laughed
Thanks
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Lilith Velkor
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mr. Orange
In 0.0 you get scouted/tailed the same way, only in 0.0 people use CovOps or 10km/s+ intys. In low sec it's much cheaper for people to use neutral throw away alts in shuttles/rookie ships to get the same effect.
Thats exactly the problem imho. Having a 'real' gangmember using cov ops or inty is an investment when you need scouting, using 300 alts sitting in their noobships at every gate is nothing more than cheating in my book since there is absolutely no risk (isk-wise) involved whatsoever and it was never intended (at least I think so) that you can have constellation-/region-wide intel that way without risking anything of value.
/rant
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