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Gul Amarr	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:09:00 - [1] Everyone knows militia chats consist of at least 10% alts spying for the opposite faction - big news... But what really puzles me is the amount of ppl falling for the alts giving 'commands' and 'coordinating' the militias. Just an example that might still be going on at this very moment: There's fight going on at the Auga-Kourmonen gate - don't know how it started as I just logged on whilst it was allready going. My personal guess is that a 40-50 ppl blob led by one of the sef-proclaimed leaders of the 24th IC once more managed to lead his blob into the 100 ship ushra-khan supported minnie blob - okay - minnies outnumber us and with pirates joining the effort, they do even more in any aspect - so any Amarr FC is likely to run into this kind of situation eventually - so far so good - ** happens and it's way more likely to happen to the outnumbered militia without third party support in logistics, intel and firepower - to be exact it's likely to happen each and every time an Amarr fleet assembles. Who cares and who wonders? Probably noone as peeps joing the crusade allready know that they'll most of the time find themselves on the receiving end and joined for the challenge to score a minor success every now and then. Now the really hilarious part of the story is that after the Amarr blob was destroyed as was to be expected, ppl in the Amarr militia channel started calling for reinforcements 'now' at the site of the defeat, now of course roaming with a large number of hostile ships as any friendly was either destroyed or had fled. So I got into my cov ops ship with my main and watched: there were a few dozens of minnie warships, some salvagers picking on the loot and every now and then, a sad Amarr-idiot heeding the call for reinforcement from their so-called militia-mates dripping in one by one like sheep for the slaughter, getting popped, posted on killboards and being looted and salvaged. So the morale of the story: If someone screams "for the empire!" & "Now's the time to fight!" in your militia channel it's either a **** or someone sitting at the site with his BS/salvager calling for more easy kills and loot... Nothing new to eve vets I guess, but given the large number of obviously new players falling for it in FW, I felt the need to point it out. On a side note, the same ppl may be promoting the use of third-party voip clients as it's easier to keep track of the herd once it's fenced - get one staying at TS, get loot for a lifetime...
Gul Amarr	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:09:00 - [2] Everyone knows militia chats consist of at least 10% alts spying for the opposite faction - big news... But what really puzles me is the amount of ppl falling for the alts giving 'commands' and 'coordinating' the militias. Just an example that might still be going on at this very moment: There's fight going on at the Auga-Kourmonen gate - don't know how it started as I just logged on whilst it was allready going. My personal guess is that a 40-50 ppl blob led by one of the sef-proclaimed leaders of the 24th IC once more managed to lead his blob into the 100 ship ushra-khan supported minnie blob - okay - minnies outnumber us and with pirates joining the effort, they do even more in any aspect - so any Amarr FC is likely to run into this kind of situation eventually - so far so good - ** happens and it's way more likely to happen to the outnumbered militia without third party support in logistics, intel and firepower - to be exact it's likely to happen each and every time an Amarr fleet assembles. Who cares and who wonders? Probably noone as peeps joing the crusade allready know that they'll most of the time find themselves on the receiving end and joined for the challenge to score a minor success every now and then. Now the really hilarious part of the story is that after the Amarr blob was destroyed as was to be expected, ppl in the Amarr militia channel started calling for reinforcements 'now' at the site of the defeat, now of course roaming with a large number of hostile ships as any friendly was either destroyed or had fled. So I got into my cov ops ship with my main and watched: there were a few dozens of minnie warships, some salvagers picking on the loot and every now and then, a sad Amarr-idiot heeding the call for reinforcement from their so-called militia-mates dripping in one by one like sheep for the slaughter, getting popped, posted on killboards and being looted and salvaged. So the morale of the story: If someone screams "for the empire!" & "Now's the time to fight!" in your militia channel it's either a **** or someone sitting at the site with his BS/salvager calling for more easy kills and loot... Nothing new to eve vets I guess, but given the large number of obviously new players falling for it in FW, I felt the need to point it out. On a side note, the same ppl may be promoting the use of third-party voip clients as it's easier to keep track of the herd once it's fenced - get one staying at TS, get loot for a lifetime...
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:13:00 - [3] That was to be expected, and to be honest, if people follow orders blindly, that's their problem to deal with. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:13:00 - [4] That was to be expected, and to be honest, if people follow orders blindly, that's their problem to deal with. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Gabbot	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:14:00 - [5] holy wall of text batman!
Gabbot	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:14:00 - [6] holy wall of text batman!
Kharass Al'Quam Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:35:00 - [7] Sorry but your wrong on all accounts. They had a huge chance at winning the first battle, but we did our stuff and that tipped the scale. Mad props for the second battle, showed loads of stamina and they actually had a good fighting chance most of the fight. The third time, well your right on that one they where getting thiner in numbers. But they came and they fought and they did good. We just did better :) DEATH TO AMARR God is my Co-pilot
Vladimir Titov Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:53:00 - [8] Is this about yesterday's fight or a fight that happened today? Because yesterday most people lost connection in that fight, but with TLIB holding the field it made it easier to kill ships that returned to the game. Today there was a CVA rifter following us everywhere. At first I tried to ignore it. But when it became clear it was relaying intel over a long period of time I had to shoot it. I took a sec hit and everything even though that character was the enemy. This is the reality of EvE and not something the Amarr have to deal with alone. In addition, We have had a few people and corps in TLIB who are griefers and use the militia status to pirate friendlies. So everyone has their hands full with infiltrators. We can no nothing but press on and push forward.
rValdez5987 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:55:00 - [9] It was a good fight. And CCP, we need a Factional Warfare forum.
ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.06.16 01:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Gabbot holy wall of text batman! OH NOEZ SOMEONE IS USING WORDES ON A FORUM!11!1!!11! tHERES SeNtEnCeS AnD PaRaGrApHs!!uNo,oNe!iI! ArRrRGgGhHhHhH!!1!1!!1 seriously,its pure fail when someone posts such stupid crap when the person they are referring to actually used punctuation AND paragraphs. Back to 1st grade English for youz!!! As for the alts and spies, thats to be assumed. People just don't have the sack in this game to play fairly. No,just because you have 50 accounts doesn't justify using one to mislead and report information. Skill for covert ops and go fly around and scout,instead of being a little douche bag. I know theres a lot of players out there that will always try to justify being a loser and resorting to such cheap tricks. Its pathetic because they are cheating the honest players in the game. Is it a hack? no but its just as bad. Is it possible for CCP to do anything about it? no. Either way its still cheating and no amount of moronic reasons is ever going to change that. Sure you might not want to lose your ship which makes you resort to being a douceh bag but what about those on the other side that dont want to lose their ship but DONT resort to such douchery? Thats something that is truly pathetic about the eve community. In another MMO I played, players resorting to hacks as well as spying were hated,outcast and shamed. In eve such players are revered and that to me is disgusting. What adds to it is the fact the other mmo you could respawn,grab your gear a million times and never have to put an ounce of work into recovering it. In eve however it could be hours of grinding for isk to recover the loss of a single ship. Even if you can afford to replace it ,eventually your going to reach a point where you need to grind more isk to rebuild. Its one thing to smash someone's ship and pod them and enjoy the fact that they worked to earn those things and you ripped it away from them. Its another thing when you have to cheat to do that. If your going to play, play fairly and earn your victories. If your going to cheat in a way that CCP can't actually do anything about,your still a cheater and you need to stfu and GTFO.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.16 01:11:00 - [11] Originally by: rValdez5987 It was a good fight. And CCP, we need a Factional Warfare forum. Isn't that what the Intergalactic Summit is for? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Armoured C Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.16 01:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: rValdez5987 It was a good fight. And CCP, we need a Factional Warfare forum. Isn't that what the Intergalactic Summit is for? now that for roleplayers FWN :action news from the battle - not near it Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Vladimir Titov Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.16 01:31:00 - [13] Originally by: ShardowRhino good stuff Its been like this in EvE for as long as the server has been up. There are entire alliances out there that won't commit to a fight unless they have a spy in someone else's TS. The GMs have tools in place to query interaction between different players to check for isk laundering and such. These tools, in some form, should be available to CEO's to investigate members in their corp. But right now all you have to operate on is blind trust.
Monkey Saturday SAS Elite Ops Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.06.16 02:07:00 - [14] All I know about all this FW stuff is my sec status hasn't dropped this fast in ages Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D
Grath Telkin 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.16 02:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Gul Amarr Everyone knows militia chats consist of at least 10% alts spying for the opposite faction - big news... But what really puzles me is the amount of ppl falling for the alts giving 'commands' and 'coordinating' the militias. Just an example that might still be going on at this very moment: There's fight going on at the Auga-Kourmonen gate - don't know how it started as I just logged on whilst it was allready going. My personal guess is that a 40-50 ppl blob led by one of the sef-proclaimed leaders of the 24th IC once more managed to lead his blob into the 100 ship ushra-khan supported minnie blob - okay - minnies outnumber us and with pirates joining the effort, they do even more in any aspect - so any Amarr FC is likely to run into this kind of situation eventually - so far so good - ** happens and it's way more likely to happen to the outnumbered militia without third party support in logistics, intel and firepower - to be exact it's likely to happen each and every time an Amarr fleet assembles. Who cares and who wonders? Probably noone as peeps joing the crusade allready know that they'll most of the time find themselves on the receiving end and joined for the challenge to score a minor success every now and then. Now the really hilarious part of the story is that after the Amarr blob was destroyed as was to be expected, ppl in the Amarr militia channel started calling for reinforcements 'now' at the site of the defeat, now of course roaming with a large number of hostile ships as any friendly was either destroyed or had fled. So I got into my cov ops ship with my main and watched: there were a few dozens of minnie warships, some salvagers picking on the loot and every now and then, a sad Amarr-idiot heeding the call for reinforcement from their so-called militia-mates dripping in one by one like sheep for the slaughter, getting popped, posted on killboards and being looted and salvaged. So the morale of the story: If someone screams "for the empire!" & "Now's the time to fight!" in your militia channel it's either a **** or someone sitting at the site with his BS/salvager calling for more easy kills and loot... Nothing new to eve vets I guess, but given the large number of obviously new players falling for it in FW, I felt the need to point it out. On a side note, the same ppl may be promoting the use of third-party voip clients as it's easier to keep track of the herd once it's fenced - get one staying at TS, get loot for a lifetime... so, if you were IN the fight, you would know it lasted over an hour (i was in it). We crashed that gate 3 times before i popped, and yes, they were calling for reinforcements, and they were coming, so we went in again, and again. At the mid point of the fight, there were near 90 some Minnie wrecks on the gate, and about 50 amarr. My point is, whats your point? Try fighting, instead of watching, its a lot more fun.
Kharass Al'Quam Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.16 02:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Gul Amarr Everyone knows militia chats consist of at least 10% alts spying for the opposite faction - big news... But what really puzles me is the amount of ppl falling for the alts giving 'commands' and 'coordinating' the militias. Just an example that might still be going on at this very moment: There's fight going on at the Auga-Kourmonen gate - don't know how it started as I just logged on whilst it was allready going. My personal guess is that a 40-50 ppl blob led by one of the sef-proclaimed leaders of the 24th IC once more managed to lead his blob into the 100 ship ushra-khan supported minnie blob - okay - minnies outnumber us and with pirates joining the effort, they do even more in any aspect - so any Amarr FC is likely to run into this kind of situation eventually - so far so good - ** happens and it's way more likely to happen to the outnumbered militia without third party support in logistics, intel and firepower - to be exact it's likely to happen each and every time an Amarr fleet assembles. Who cares and who wonders? Probably noone as peeps joing the crusade allready know that they'll most of the time find themselves on the receiving end and joined for the challenge to score a minor success every now and then. Now the really hilarious part of the story is that after the Amarr blob was destroyed as was to be expected, ppl in the Amarr militia channel started calling for reinforcements 'now' at the site of the defeat, now of course roaming with a large number of hostile ships as any friendly was either destroyed or had fled. So I got into my cov ops ship with my main and watched: there were a few dozens of minnie warships, some salvagers picking on the loot and every now and then, a sad Amarr-idiot heeding the call for reinforcement from their so-called militia-mates dripping in one by one like sheep for the slaughter, getting popped, posted on killboards and being looted and salvaged. So the morale of the story: If someone screams "for the empire!" & "Now's the time to fight!" in your militia channel it's either a **** or someone sitting at the site with his BS/salvager calling for more easy kills and loot... Nothing new to eve vets I guess, but given the large number of obviously new players falling for it in FW, I felt the need to point it out. On a side note, the same ppl may be promoting the use of third-party voip clients as it's easier to keep track of the herd once it's fenced - get one staying at TS, get loot for a lifetime... so, if you were IN the fight, you would know it lasted over an hour (i was in it). We crashed that gate 3 times before i popped, and yes, they were calling for reinforcements, and they were coming, so we went in again, and again. At the mid point of the fight, there were near 90 some Minnie wrecks on the gate, and about 50 amarr. My point is, whats your point? Try fighting, instead of watching, its a lot more fun. You took forever to die, our bomber gang was not happy having you wooshing around us the whole time. Good show anyways. DEATH TO AMARR God is my Co-pilot
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.06.16 04:18:00 - [17] Thats not surprising, what will likely happen is that when people start earning ranks and it becomes obvious whose a ligit FC and whose a alt spy this sort of thing will likely die down. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Galen Darksmith Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.06.16 04:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: rValdez5987 It was a good fight. And CCP, we need a Factional Warfare forum. Isn't that what the Intergalactic Summit is for? now that for roleplayers Said the pilot while she put her ship and clone on the line for her faction. ;)
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.16 04:50:00 - [19] Like I tell everyone in Caldari Militia, don't take orders from ensigns. We had a few spies trying to get a large chunk of noobs into Tama to be wiped out by snipers. I of course told them the system was camped. Well the shouts of "Coward!" "ussy!" etc. came in. And not just from alt spies either... Well I gave up and advised everyone not to take orders from an Ensign. No it's not a full sa**uard but alot safer than listening to some nub who signed up that same day
Trind2222 Soliders Of Eve Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 05:20:00 - [20] Edited by: Trind2222 on 16/06/2008 05:22:26 Best thing is to have own agenda in FW. Team up folks you know are good don't join the blob make own channels and surprise your enemy whit good pvp. A big blob will not defeat your enemy but good tactics and surprise will. But do have any fc have guts to do that?
XSarah	Posted - 2008.06.16 05:48:00 - [21] I wouldnt say 10%
rValdez5987 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.16 05:53:00 - [22] Quote: Thats not surprising, what will likely happen is that when people start earning ranks and it becomes obvious whose a ligit FC and whose a alt spy this sort of thing will likely die down. Heh youve already caught on. Thats the method Im already using lol.
Blane Xero The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.16 06:17:00 - [23] Originally by: rValdez5987 Quote: Thats not surprising, what will likely happen is that when people start earning ranks and it becomes obvious whose a ligit FC and whose a alt spy this sort of thing will likely die down. Heh youve already caught on. Thats the method Im already using lol. [derail] waves to rVald Hows the fight going? my corp'll be joining soon (couple of weeks, just setting things up) so i'll hopefully see more of your strange nano-ed ships soon :p
HayesDuSid Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Gul Amarr Who cares and who wonders? Probably noone as peeps joing the crusade allready know that they'll most of the time find themselves on the receiving end and joined for the challenge to score a minor success every now and then. This is most of why I'm still joining Amarr. The rest of the reason being it's my RP. (Now if only I didn't have the standings to join gallente and minmatar, and -0.55 to amarr! So much missioning left to do...)
Krets	Posted - 2008.06.16 11:15:00 - [25] Edited by: Krets on 16/06/2008 11:15:52 Originally by: Gul Amarr stuff There's fight going on at the Auga-Kourmonen gate - don't know how it started as I just logged on whilst it was allready going. My personal guess is that a 40-50 ppl blob led by one of the sef-proclaimed leaders of the 24th IC once more managed to even more stuff Exactly what leader are you talking about? I think i was in this blob you are referring to and had a good time. Too bad we had to use Eve-voice though. Wasn't EVE-online intended as a game some years ago?
Shaikar PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.16 11:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Krets Wasn't EVE-online intended as a game some years ago? Far to many people forget this. EVE doesn't have to be a serious business, it could just be fun instead.
BigFleb	Posted - 2008.06.16 11:40:00 - [27] I was in that fight, we were chasing the Ammar all over the map when they all just warped in on top of us lol, was a complete lagfest, must of been about 150 ships. It was FUN!
Belatu Cadro Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.16 11:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Gul Amarr Everyone knows militia chats consist of at least 10% alts spying for the opposite faction - big news... But what really puzles me is the amount of ppl falling for the alts giving 'commands' and 'coordinating' the militias. Just an example that might still be going on at this very moment: There's fight going on at the Auga-Kourmonen gate - don't know how it started as I just logged on whilst it was allready going.... You're intel on this fight is wrong on so many levels, The Amarr fleet that atacked in Auga was a well structured very well commanded fleet, they simply faced a stonger although smaller force. thre was never any one by one trickle of Amarr pilots into Auga, every atack they attempted seemd well coordinated and planned. The only mistake was returning for the tird time, by this time the Amarr force was severely affected by losses, and although the Minmatar Militia had started retreating from the field of battle, we were still a well organised fleet able to defend cohesively. give your fellow Amarrians a little more credit, they fought a brave battle.

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