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Gremytho
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Posted - 2003.06.15 16:37:00 -
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OK, I just have to reply to this guy who is reading a book while playing the game.
Honestly, that rocks!! Not everone has time to play games. This game bridges that gap for people who want the best of both worlds. What a crowd pleaser, that really opens up a demographic of game players. Personally I think this is a perk that will attract those people who what to play but do not have time for the addication. Also, as far as not being entertaining enough, you have to give the game time. I have never seen a MMORPG that was fun to begin with. You had to take time to build your character to get to the fun stuff. Personally, any other way would be way too easy, and boring... Now if only they would restore the MWD back to its oritional specks :-/
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Gremytho
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Posted - 2003.06.15 16:37:00 -
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OK, I just have to reply to this guy who is reading a book while playing the game.
Honestly, that rocks!! Not everone has time to play games. This game bridges that gap for people who want the best of both worlds. What a crowd pleaser, that really opens up a demographic of game players. Personally I think this is a perk that will attract those people who what to play but do not have time for the addication. Also, as far as not being entertaining enough, you have to give the game time. I have never seen a MMORPG that was fun to begin with. You had to take time to build your character to get to the fun stuff. Personally, any other way would be way too easy, and boring... Now if only they would restore the MWD back to its oritional specks :-/
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Sheriff Fatman
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Posted - 2003.06.15 19:34:00 -
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Yurin, no I didn't somehow sabotage my fun with a sub-concious desire not to enjoy it. My misgivings were based upon mixed reviews. I have had similar misgivings and ended up enjoying other games, IF the games were good.
Longer travel is NOT required to feel like it's big universe. The number of locations does that.
Frankly, I really have trouble believing there are so many people willing to rationalise this issue with things like "I love EVE because the long travel gives me a chance to chat to people," or "It's great because it's the only MMORPG that let's me surf instead of playing."
Gremytho - I have played several MMORPGs and my experience is them most of them ARE fun right from the start. The main problem is the rapidity with which they becoming boring. With AC it was a few weeks, with DAoC over 6 months. For EVE it has been less than a week. That's very diappointing given that evene Freelancer managed 20 hours play (the time it took to finish the campaign) before I felt the lethargy set in.
My brother reckons the next 6 months will see EVE altered significantly, including making travel easier and putting more content in, and that after that it will be a good game. I'm not so sure. None of the MMORPGs that have died on their feet at launch have managed to recover significantly yet, and CCP don't seem to have the magic touch that would be required to buck that trend.
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Sheriff Fatman
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Posted - 2003.06.15 19:34:00 -
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Yurin, no I didn't somehow sabotage my fun with a sub-concious desire not to enjoy it. My misgivings were based upon mixed reviews. I have had similar misgivings and ended up enjoying other games, IF the games were good.
Longer travel is NOT required to feel like it's big universe. The number of locations does that.
Frankly, I really have trouble believing there are so many people willing to rationalise this issue with things like "I love EVE because the long travel gives me a chance to chat to people," or "It's great because it's the only MMORPG that let's me surf instead of playing."
Gremytho - I have played several MMORPGs and my experience is them most of them ARE fun right from the start. The main problem is the rapidity with which they becoming boring. With AC it was a few weeks, with DAoC over 6 months. For EVE it has been less than a week. That's very diappointing given that evene Freelancer managed 20 hours play (the time it took to finish the campaign) before I felt the lethargy set in.
My brother reckons the next 6 months will see EVE altered significantly, including making travel easier and putting more content in, and that after that it will be a good game. I'm not so sure. None of the MMORPGs that have died on their feet at launch have managed to recover significantly yet, and CCP don't seem to have the magic touch that would be required to buck that trend.
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BoneDancer
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Posted - 2003.06.15 19:59:00 -
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Longer travel and total item loss/loot on death is at the HEART of what makes the economy in this game work. For once a company 'WISED' up and made it work.
If you give us point to point insta travel abilities then item trade value to things like 425 dual scout cannon and/or hydralic stabilizars would be next to nill. Its because they are in contested space that it has meaning and at least PART of that spaces tactical merit is based on distance of travel. I absolutely love the long travel times AND the hassle based docking warp ranges.
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BoneDancer
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Posted - 2003.06.15 19:59:00 -
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Longer travel and total item loss/loot on death is at the HEART of what makes the economy in this game work. For once a company 'WISED' up and made it work.
If you give us point to point insta travel abilities then item trade value to things like 425 dual scout cannon and/or hydralic stabilizars would be next to nill. Its because they are in contested space that it has meaning and at least PART of that spaces tactical merit is based on distance of travel. I absolutely love the long travel times AND the hassle based docking warp ranges.
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Hyden
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Posted - 2003.06.15 20:06:00 -
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The reason why travel takes so much time is simple and yes, it was done on purpose. Strategic reasons. This was a discussion back in beta. If you can get where you want to be quickly, it eliminates the possibility of strategic combat. It would also eliminate mining, (why mine if traderuns are quick?) Large corps would not "settle" in regions if the could simply operate (and travel) all over the place with ease...
Needless to say, it is not a problem...it is a feature...
Edited by: Hyden on 15/06/2003 20:07:52
Ensign hyden(Mining & Transport) - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
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Hyden
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Posted - 2003.06.15 20:06:00 -
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The reason why travel takes so much time is simple and yes, it was done on purpose. Strategic reasons. This was a discussion back in beta. If you can get where you want to be quickly, it eliminates the possibility of strategic combat. It would also eliminate mining, (why mine if traderuns are quick?) Large corps would not "settle" in regions if the could simply operate (and travel) all over the place with ease...
Needless to say, it is not a problem...it is a feature...
Edited by: Hyden on 15/06/2003 20:07:52
Ensign hyden(Mining & Transport) - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
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Asriel
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Posted - 2003.06.15 20:48:00 -
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You gotta realise that this game runs parallel with your life, not in series.
In order to enjoy this game, you have to realise this... its about putting the autopilot on, setting your skills to train and setting your factories to manufacture, and then going to actually LIVE YOUR LIFE.
It's amazing that finally here is a MMPORG which doesn't take over your life entirely. I mean I'm sure most people remember spending weeks on end in UO.
Well this game can be played by people with jobs/stuff to do too. And you dont get left behind by all the powergamers.
It is your choice what you do in the time while autopiloting etc, is it not? some people read books. some people surf the web. Some people think hey, here's a good 30minute gap, lets go and do that work I've been putting off.
Don't go around saying the game sux - cos that puts other people off. The game is just not for you - some people dont mind the way the game works, and I personally think it's great.
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Asriel
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Posted - 2003.06.15 20:48:00 -
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You gotta realise that this game runs parallel with your life, not in series.
In order to enjoy this game, you have to realise this... its about putting the autopilot on, setting your skills to train and setting your factories to manufacture, and then going to actually LIVE YOUR LIFE.
It's amazing that finally here is a MMPORG which doesn't take over your life entirely. I mean I'm sure most people remember spending weeks on end in UO.
Well this game can be played by people with jobs/stuff to do too. And you dont get left behind by all the powergamers.
It is your choice what you do in the time while autopiloting etc, is it not? some people read books. some people surf the web. Some people think hey, here's a good 30minute gap, lets go and do that work I've been putting off.
Don't go around saying the game sux - cos that puts other people off. The game is just not for you - some people dont mind the way the game works, and I personally think it's great.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.06.15 20:49:00 -
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With the risk of angering people, I think the MWD balancing was a good one. It was just too good before, and any cruiser that didn't have one had a serious disadvantage.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.06.15 20:49:00 -
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With the risk of angering people, I think the MWD balancing was a good one. It was just too good before, and any cruiser that didn't have one had a serious disadvantage.
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Pierson
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Posted - 2003.06.16 14:04:00 -
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In order to enjoy this game, you have to realise this... its about putting the autopilot on, setting your skills to train and setting your factories to manufacture, and then going to actually LIVE YOUR LIFE.
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If I wanted to avoid gaming in favour of spending time on other things in life, I'd just not buy a game. Clearly, the point of a game is to spend time playing it.
As for putting it on autopilot and walking away - HAH! You must be joking. Autopilot switches itself off randomly or just sits there doing nothing for hours. If you leave it to it's own devices, you'll ever get to your destination.
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Pierson
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Posted - 2003.06.16 14:04:00 -
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In order to enjoy this game, you have to realise this... its about putting the autopilot on, setting your skills to train and setting your factories to manufacture, and then going to actually LIVE YOUR LIFE.
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If I wanted to avoid gaming in favour of spending time on other things in life, I'd just not buy a game. Clearly, the point of a game is to spend time playing it.
As for putting it on autopilot and walking away - HAH! You must be joking. Autopilot switches itself off randomly or just sits there doing nothing for hours. If you leave it to it's own devices, you'll ever get to your destination.
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Hannibal Jones
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Posted - 2003.06.16 14:44:00 -
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This is why I love Eve.. It gives me the choice of only paying partial attention.. I often play other games on my other PC while mining(I'm finally spending some time on Morrowind which I bought and barely played because of my DAOC addiction).
Or I can watch a movie, do some chores, pay attention to the family... all while still progressing in the game.
Then, if I am in the mood to be more active, I can go kill pirates or some other activity which does require my active participation. Protecting my friend while he mines in a low sec system, that sort of thing.
A game like DAOC requires your full attention at all times, even if you're just crafting, you have to be there to click the mouse every few seconds. Bleh..
This game may not appeal to people who want constant action but for people like me who love games but also have a life, its a godsend.
- Hannibal Jones
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Hannibal Jones
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Posted - 2003.06.16 14:44:00 -
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This is why I love Eve.. It gives me the choice of only paying partial attention.. I often play other games on my other PC while mining(I'm finally spending some time on Morrowind which I bought and barely played because of my DAOC addiction).
Or I can watch a movie, do some chores, pay attention to the family... all while still progressing in the game.
Then, if I am in the mood to be more active, I can go kill pirates or some other activity which does require my active participation. Protecting my friend while he mines in a low sec system, that sort of thing.
A game like DAOC requires your full attention at all times, even if you're just crafting, you have to be there to click the mouse every few seconds. Bleh..
This game may not appeal to people who want constant action but for people like me who love games but also have a life, its a godsend.
- Hannibal Jones
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Vachir
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Posted - 2003.06.16 16:40:00 -
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Advertising probably is a big part of it. I only heard about EVE once from a message board post last year and signed up for the beta. Even now weeks after release I have yet to see any advertisement for EVE anyhwere on the net.
The major reason I think a lot of people aren't attracted to EVE though is that it's not as much MMORPG as it is space simulation. A lot of reviews pointed this out, and while a lot of people like space sims, more people would rather play a 'game' and aren't attracted to such a realistic setting.
Ultimately the people who want to just log on and have fun are going to hate EVE, but the people who want to participate in a virtual environment are really going to like it. It's just a matter of first defeating the somewhat bad reputation EVE got from mid beta, then letting people know how EVE is this great MMO space sim they should try.
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Vachir
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Posted - 2003.06.16 16:40:00 -
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Advertising probably is a big part of it. I only heard about EVE once from a message board post last year and signed up for the beta. Even now weeks after release I have yet to see any advertisement for EVE anyhwere on the net.
The major reason I think a lot of people aren't attracted to EVE though is that it's not as much MMORPG as it is space simulation. A lot of reviews pointed this out, and while a lot of people like space sims, more people would rather play a 'game' and aren't attracted to such a realistic setting.
Ultimately the people who want to just log on and have fun are going to hate EVE, but the people who want to participate in a virtual environment are really going to like it. It's just a matter of first defeating the somewhat bad reputation EVE got from mid beta, then letting people know how EVE is this great MMO space sim they should try.
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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2003.06.16 21:43:00 -
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I think Eve is growing at a good rate. If you haven't notice, the numbers of subscribers has been steadly rising over the past couple of weeks. I've been playing two weeks now and when I first got here there was on average about 4000 players on at a time. Now whenever I log in there's about 5300. I think that the game almost broke 6000 on at one time last weekend. Its a slow process but the game will continue to grow. Its just gonna take time. I suspect this fall when colleges across the nations begin the fall semester, that word of mouth will spread even faster than before and there will be a spurt of newcomers. I just hope that I have my battleship by then so I can school some rookies :)
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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2003.06.16 21:43:00 -
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I think Eve is growing at a good rate. If you haven't notice, the numbers of subscribers has been steadly rising over the past couple of weeks. I've been playing two weeks now and when I first got here there was on average about 4000 players on at a time. Now whenever I log in there's about 5300. I think that the game almost broke 6000 on at one time last weekend. Its a slow process but the game will continue to grow. Its just gonna take time. I suspect this fall when colleges across the nations begin the fall semester, that word of mouth will spread even faster than before and there will be a spurt of newcomers. I just hope that I have my battleship by then so I can school some rookies :)
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Guru Foryou
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Posted - 2003.06.16 21:48:00 -
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well ive just joined so add another member.. :) all the uk mags have given the game a great reviews and even though ive not really played any MMORPG;s before i like this one :)
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Guru Foryou
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Posted - 2003.06.16 21:48:00 -
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well ive just joined so add another member.. :) all the uk mags have given the game a great reviews and even though ive not really played any MMORPG;s before i like this one :)
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.16 23:02:00 -
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As I said before (the post seems to be missing now.).
I expect to see a great deal more people signing up once we finish the beta stages of the game. At this poing CCP has enough subscribers to fund the completion of beta and once this is completed I expect to see much more agressive advertisement and the numbers will begin to soar from that point forward.
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m0o
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.16 23:02:00 -
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As I said before (the post seems to be missing now.).
I expect to see a great deal more people signing up once we finish the beta stages of the game. At this poing CCP has enough subscribers to fund the completion of beta and once this is completed I expect to see much more agressive advertisement and the numbers will begin to soar from that point forward.
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m0o
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Samual Vimes
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Posted - 2003.06.17 02:13:00 -
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Now that we are in the stage of the game where players are starting to come to the end of their 'free play period' I noticed that contrary to all the doom and gloom comments of a mass exodus, on Sunday night, the game peeked at just over 6,000 on-line. To date, each weekend has seen a small but constant increase in the numbers on-line
It growing, slow but steady, but lets keep our fingers crossed that it continues to do so.
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Samual Vimes
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Posted - 2003.06.17 02:13:00 -
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Now that we are in the stage of the game where players are starting to come to the end of their 'free play period' I noticed that contrary to all the doom and gloom comments of a mass exodus, on Sunday night, the game peeked at just over 6,000 on-line. To date, each weekend has seen a small but constant increase in the numbers on-line
It growing, slow but steady, but lets keep our fingers crossed that it continues to do so.
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.17 02:23:00 -
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We are right at the amount we need to be. Our job is to finish testing the balance issues and tracking down the most noticed bugs while the devs finish up putting in the content promised on the back of the box and in the instruction booklet.
With 12-15 thousand subscribers they are going to be pulling in enough money to fund the continued R&D during the final stages of beta.
Rest assured that once things are wrapped up and they are ready to actually 'go live' you will see floods of people coming in. :)
I would guess that it will be within a month, they seem very very close to having things wrapped up. Then maybe we can see some actual story development, something with the Jove etc.
It's about time for an 'event'.
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m0o
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.17 02:23:00 -
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We are right at the amount we need to be. Our job is to finish testing the balance issues and tracking down the most noticed bugs while the devs finish up putting in the content promised on the back of the box and in the instruction booklet.
With 12-15 thousand subscribers they are going to be pulling in enough money to fund the continued R&D during the final stages of beta.
Rest assured that once things are wrapped up and they are ready to actually 'go live' you will see floods of people coming in. :)
I would guess that it will be within a month, they seem very very close to having things wrapped up. Then maybe we can see some actual story development, something with the Jove etc.
It's about time for an 'event'.
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m0o
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Elizar
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Posted - 2003.06.17 02:55:00 -
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Granted CCP is a starting company, they should have had a bit of cash to put into marketing. I didnt even know what EVE was until somone mentioned in an earth and beyond HoC chat 'do you think EVE will pose a problem wih attracting more people to enb?' i looked into it. fell in love with eve- quit enb (sorta mad didnth ave to waste 50 dollars on a pos.)
Not once though have I ever seen an advertisement for EVE in PCGamer mag. or any other major gaming magazine. Nor did I see it in any of EB's monthly 'soon to come' game book.
It would have been interesting to see an EVE ad.
Maybe there is one in Junes issue? havent picked it up yet.
cheers,
elizar
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Elizar
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Posted - 2003.06.17 02:55:00 -
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Granted CCP is a starting company, they should have had a bit of cash to put into marketing. I didnt even know what EVE was until somone mentioned in an earth and beyond HoC chat 'do you think EVE will pose a problem wih attracting more people to enb?' i looked into it. fell in love with eve- quit enb (sorta mad didnth ave to waste 50 dollars on a pos.)
Not once though have I ever seen an advertisement for EVE in PCGamer mag. or any other major gaming magazine. Nor did I see it in any of EB's monthly 'soon to come' game book.
It would have been interesting to see an EVE ad.
Maybe there is one in Junes issue? havent picked it up yet.
cheers,
elizar
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