I'm predicting no end of posts about INCURSIONS by ignorant NULL SEC peeps.

How about nerfing both incursions (more LP, much les isk - especially in high sec) and bounties (harder nerf for high sec than low and null - possibly increase salvage to compensate)?

FIxes the risk reward scale and inflation.

Why the hell would we boost assault and HQ isk rewards when we need to reduce the flow of isk into the game?

Unsurprisingly, PLEX prices spike when a new expansion comes out. Equally unsurprisingly is the when hisec incursions are shut down (c/f Darius III, Ammzi and friends), PLEX prices start to drop.

Incursion runners are not the only people buying PLEX, you have that much right. The number of extremely cash-rich Incursion runners who are able to buy PLEX at any price are the ones placing extreme upward pressure on the price. ThIs was made quite clear during the period that Incursions were interdicted: people I know we're simply not logging in except to verify that no new incursions were running. During that period, PLEX prices fell slightly.

Due to the diffuse nature of NPC bounty income in nullsec, that stream of income will not impact PLEX prices so significantly. When you are making 60M ISK/hr and are replacing ships lost in PvP, you do not exert as much pressure on the PLEX market as the person making 100M ISK/ hr who never has to replace their ship. The Incursion runner simply has more disposable income.

So dismiss my opinion if you will, but be aware that I have made none of the claims that you have demanded me to support.

You are talking through your bum I didn't see a relaxation in PLEX prices until afterwards on my graphs which indicates another factor was at play... the 'interdiction' was so short lived you could not say PLEX's prices went up or down either way without horrible p values statistically.

What does "Wormhole blue books" refer to? I have no clue what that is.

Look up at the numbers again incursions are 25% of NPC bounties ( where are you getting this 50% inflo?!?! besides out of your BUTTOCKS??? ) TALKING ABOUT CHERRY PICKING STATISTICS THERE ARE LIES THEN THERE ARE LIES THEN ARE YOUR SUPER WHOOOPERS WHICH YOU PRESENT AS STATISTICS!!!
THE INFLOW OF BOUnTIES IS NOW 32 TRILLION your 19 trillion just does not translate into todays numbers. Go back to school & take a real math class.

[quote=Zircon Dasher] Where as high-sec incursions suffer ship loss only from unwary pilots and unfortunate ganks. .

It's those running sites/mission/incursions 24h/d with their bots,

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It's those running sites/mission/incursions 24h/d with their bots, mining entire belts al alone with their bots, running belts/sites in null with their very numerous bot alts, running incursions with their numerous alts and bots.
(Darth Nefarius: YOU CAN'T bot incursions except maybe in deep NULL SEC SOV? )

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Add moon goo, the biggest passive income in the game.
Throw some drone crap once again profiting to a very small part of eve players and killing a major part of the game for years now: mining

The list can go on, but whatever you'll pick each and every one of these will always bring exponential rewards for those playing more than 2 accounts, exploiting game mechanics, using bots.
At the end of the day the single player, the guy discovering the game and playing it normally with some fellows found here and there when he reads this kind of threads he might as well think there are different servers of eve online.

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What if WH moons also provide moongoo, but only at a lower level of efficiency depending on the WH-level? Say 25% for a L3 and 50% for a L6. Adding the additional logistical headaches, WH corps will never be able to really compete with null-sec moons, but they can crack up the monopolies a bit. Especially since there is an abundance of free moons to be found.

You are talking through your bum I didn't see a relaxation in PLEX prices until afterwards on my graphs which indicates another factor was at play... the 'interdiction' was so short lived you could not say PLEX's prices went up or down either way without horrible p values statistically.


Your graphs are talking out their bum. I was following the PLEX prices due to being in the market. Interdiction started, prices went down. Interdiction ended, prices went back up. There's a little bathtub in the graph right about that time. Then there are the PLEX offers which despite their unattractiveness compared to GTC from resellers do have an impact on PLEX prices ingame.

There are downward fluctuations over the year that very closely correspond with PLEX offers, the interdiction, and school holidays. There are peaks which correlate with pre-expansion speculation and others which correlate with "OMG PLEX PRICES" posts by market manipulators.

Perhaps try running with shorter rolling durations, since a 7-day rolling average is going to show you nothing of value apart from week long trends. Try an 8 hour rolling average to spot trends shorter than a week.

As for your statistics, note that p-scores are used for determining the confidence that a particular result set fits your hypothesis. Statistics and probability are about analyzing sets of numbers in a static sample, not trends, and certainly have nothing to do with facts.

I wonder what the correlation is between people who started playing the game (or started paying attention to price metrics) in the less inflationary periods (say mid 2007) vs those who started in a more inflationary period (late 2008-early 2009)? Looks like quite the swing from mid 2007 to now!

-Liang

I wonder what the correlation is between people who started playing the game (or started paying attention to price metrics) in the less inflationary periods (say mid 2007) vs those who started in a more inflationary period (late 2008-early 2009)? Looks like quite the swing from mid 2007 to now!

-Liang

Also, if you're going to call me a "raging nullsec troll" for stating what appears to be a pretty unequivocal fact... please also inform me why you believe that group based high sec content should be more lucrative than group based content in low sec, null sec, and WH space.

-Liang

Thanks for that graph. Doesn't look like anything to be too concerned about.

Thanks for that graph. Doesn't look like anything to be too concerned about.

. Also, I was pretty clear that I'm not mad.

-Liang