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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:46:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason.
Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope...
Incursions is maybe the fastest way to make isk yes indeed but it is deserved because the majority of subs come from empire people. That is a fact.
If you continue to take away every isk making solution to high sec subs will fall drastically.
It may be in CCPs interest to change them around slightly as they do with everything [just look at PI] I cannot see it changing too much.
Not empty quoting another post "There is nothing wrong with incursions let the game be destroyed for my amusement"
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 17:40:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:How do you control the EVE economy when anyone can buy a PLEX out of game and turn it into isk?
Fail
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2012.03.12 17:50:00 -
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Azure Moonlight wrote:If currently 16% of all the ISK from all activities available in Eve comes from Incursions, I cant see how anyone can claim that THIS is not an issue. Or are 16% of all players (not characters, mind you) involved in Incursion running? I guess not.
Learn math.
Before incursion.
per 1bil isk injected per month 990 mil was sinked.
inflation 1% monthly - data from old days
After incursions per 1.190b isk injected per month 990 mil sinked + cost for lp concord store( how much is actually that i dont know, dont have data ), lets assume its 60mil per 1.190bil
That means after incursion inflation has risen from 1% up to 8,5% monthly You still dont see the problem ???
It is very rough estimate but the point is it is 16% that wasn't there before, it is huge enough number to screw things up. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:22:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:
Someone already posted the numbers, the majority of isk in EVE comes off bounties and if anything, we should be reviewing the current bounties on battleship NPCs.
Fail.
Yes leave incursion as it is and nerf more income from ratting hahahahahaha |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:29:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:So 80%ish of all the ISK income comes from rats?
But, wouldn't rat bounty income have remained roughly stable over the last few years? Why would that cause prices to explode?
Because people fail at arithmetics and dont understand that 16% increase isk generation(incursions) can actually mean multiplying by a huge factor isk that stays in the economy
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:38:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:So 80%ish of all the ISK income comes from rats?
But, wouldn't rat bounty income have remained roughly stable over the last few years? Why would that cause prices to explode? Because people fail at arithmetics and dont understand that 16% increase isk generation(incursions) can actually mean multiplying by a huge factor isk that stays in the economy Except that "some" people fail to realize in this very same topic CCP said Incursions arent the problem. Tippia wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:People crying left and right on the forums about so called Incursion inflation when in reality the amount from bounties is astronomically higher a good chunk of that due to nullsec botting. GǪexcept that three times higher is not GǣastronomicalGǥ and that the inflation existed before incursions. So guess what happens when incursions are piled on top of it all? Should I quote CCP about Incursions again? They aren't the issue here.
Because they dont understand this concept obviously neither do you.
if for 100isk generated 80isk was sinked after incursion for 118isk generated 80 was sinked which basically means doubling amount of money that stays in the economy.
That is the reasons for sudden spike in inflation and in past bounties didnt have that much effect. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:56:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally. CCP Soundwave wrote:Someone already posted the numbers, the majority of isk in EVE comes off bounties and if anything, we should be reviewing the current bounties on battleship NPCs. Sorry to quote it again but some here just don't get the point. Incursions are not the issue. And yes they have ALOT more data than you considering they WORK for the company.
Well as stated they fail on arithmetics or have some super secret data that makes current calculations obsolete. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 19:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Tippia wrote: As luck would have it, we do know that. Even if we assume that the highsec incursions are run at max efficiency, there's still roughly twice as much in untapped incursion income waiting in the systemGǪ I did not see that one. Good catch! Someone needs to ask him to break out bounties by security for feb. Farm bounties in 0.0 for an hour. Proceed to farm incursions in high-sec for an hour. See where you make more ISK. Hint: It's not the 0.0 bounties.
The day when i have to agree with a goon is a sad day indeed.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 19:43:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Andski wrote: Farm bounties in 0.0 for an hour. Proceed to farm incursions in high-sec for an hour. See where you make more ISK.
Hint: It's not the 0.0 bounties.
Incursions are (currently) significantly less than bounties in terms of ISK injection. Knowing how feb's bounty numbers break out will give some idea (albeit inferential) about where the biggest ISK faucet is in EVE.
Not empty quoting anther clueless post about " i dont understand that introducing what would seem is small isk injection(18%) can actually multiply amount of isk retained in a economy by huge factor" |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 19:49:00 -
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Kusanagi Kasuga wrote: The straw that breaks the camels back: Incursions The anvil already on the camel's back: Bounties.
Which one is the root of the problem?
Incursions because they screw up risk reward balance. Nerf incursion then we can talk about nerfing bounties.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:39:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Seems like Soundwave just promised us that he won't be nerfing Incursions but will instead focus on bounties via ratting, anoms, and missions.
Soundwave also wanted to sell us back saved fitting slots that was allready there before they were removed.
Who cares ?
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:30:00 -
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Wormhole blue books Source $10,430,000,000,000 Incursions Rewards Source $8,566,015,400,900 Mission Rewards Source $2,470,815,985,076 Misson Bonuses Source $2,346,410,541,970 Insurance Payouts Source $3,366,455,121,035 Insurance Costs Sink -$1,618,888,782,680 NPC Bounties Source $32,083,329,999,805 NPC Sell Orders Sink -$13,000,000,000,000 Transaction Taxes* Sink -$2,375,100,000,000 Broker Fees* Sink -$2,607,100,000,000 LP Store* Sink -$6,331,570,000,000 PI Construction* Sink -$627,850,000,000 Clones* Sink -$910,600,000,000 Office Rental* Sink -$488,650,000,000 War Fees* Sink -$149,350,000,000 Repair Bills* Sink -$287,100,000,000 PI NPC Taxes* Sink -$741,820,000,000 Sov Bills* Sink -$809,100,000,000 Contract Brokers Fee* Sink -$301,600,000,000 Contract Sales Tax* Sink -$324,800,000,000
Before incursions about 19T of isk inflow + people that were doing ratting before and turned into incursion after.
After incursions about 29T of isk inflow that means +50% or slightly less of isk retained in an economy. That is a huge increase.
And how much% of population participate in incursions ? Definietly not 50%. Notice that wormhole blue boxes are huge inflationary as well but i dont mind that much since risk/reward mechanism apply. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:50:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: Look up at the numbers again incursions are 25% of NPC bounties ( where are you getting this 50% inflo?!?! besides out of your BUTTOCKS??? ) TALKING ABOUT CHERRY PICKING STATISTICS THERE ARE LIES THEN THERE ARE LIES THEN ARE YOUR SUPER WHOOOPERS WHICH YOU PRESENT AS STATISTICS!!! THE INFLOW OF BOUnTIES IS NOW 32 TRILLION your 19 trillion just does not translate into todays numbers. Go back to school & take a real math class.
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YOu still dont get it. Introducing incursions has icnreased about 40-50% isk retained in the economy.
And most of this isks comes in form of concord protection gameplaye. Its broken !!!! |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:44:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
You can't be serious / wtf are you smoking?
Unless you are botting, a human being barely breaks even living off belt-based, null-sec bounties when taking into consideration PvP expenditures, infrastructure upgrades (POSs, Sov Structures, etc.), time invested and the very real risk of losing those assets.
As a long-time null-sec resident, I gladly accept those risks. But I do not find it acceptable that null-sec inhabitants are yet again the target of CCP and their attempts to remove ISK from the game.
Let us not forget CCP Greyscale's underhanded nerf to anomalies one year ago, post-Fan Fest. That was the start of a very bad couple of quarters for CCP. Is that something that CCP wishes to repeat this year with their release of DUST?
Stop making sense.
I just abandoned null in favor of hi sec incursions. Hi sec players are new breed of overlords that wins game by whining, deal with it. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:10:00 -
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Skex Relbore wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Skex Relbore wrote: The same people crying today about inflation are, many times, the same people crying about how about how everyone is too rich and losses do not mean anything in PVP. This is silly, people being more "rich" just means people are flying more expensive stuff and will be less risk adverse.
Which is exactly symptom of "losses do not mean anything in PVP."
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