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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5426	Posted - 2012.03.12 10:28:00 - [1] - Quote Andski wrote: I'm predicting no end of posts about moons by ignorant incursion runners. Garak Jakobs wrote: There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason. Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope... This just in: Andski outed as weirdo psychic. Garak: learn how the economy works. Incursions contribute to inflation because they are a source of ISK injected out of nowhere (an ISK faucet). Moon do not contribute to inflation because they do no inject any ISK, but rather inject materials that other people spend money on (they're a materials faucet) GÇö in fact, they counter inflation by balancing out the increased ISK by increasing the amount of stuff in the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5432	Posted - 2012.03.12 14:25:00 - [2] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: And there are still carebears who want highsec lvl5's. Though with the ammount of isk you can make in incursions, Lvl5's are obsolete L5s aren't nearly as bad since they're mostly LP-based, with a healthy helping of tags that further feeds the LP spendings of other players. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5432	Posted - 2012.03.12 14:51:00 - [3] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Incursions can generate between 70 and 130 mil an hour. Not including the Concord LP... Incursions easily outperform any other form of PvE in the game, including Wormholes. My corp just shut down 2 of its wormholes specifically in favor of Incursions. Yes, I meant GÇ£not nearly as badGÇ£ in the sense that L5s, while high-paying, didn't inject all that much ISK into an already ISK-rich economy. In fact, L5s were probably decent net ISK sinks, all told, back when the LP market cycle was in working order. I didn't mean it in the sense of GÇ£not nearly as bad [as you say] for earning moneyGÇ¥. You're probably quite right in saying that they've lost ground to incursions, since there are some distinct similarities, and this just further highlights the problems incursions cause. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5434	Posted - 2012.03.12 16:32:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally. You're going to have to elaborate on that one a bit. Kile Kitmoore wrote: Finally, NOW can we please stop the nerf Incursion threads! Nope. Quote: As for the inflation, you wanted a mining buff here it is! Trit selling at 5 ISK a pop! Nice! Inflation is not a mining buff since it doesn't mean mining is more worth-while. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5434	Posted - 2012.03.12 16:50:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Someone already posted the numbers, the majority of isk in EVE comes off bounties and if anything, we should be reviewing the current bounties on battleship NPCs. Yes, but that doesn't mean that incursions aren't problematic, since they are doing that with relatively few players doing them GÇö the scaling effect of more people doing incursions are quite shocking. Like you said, you've made people better at making money, and that's a problem. Incursions are the latest example of this, and squeezing the money-making abilities elsewhere will just entice more people to go for this (no longer all that) new scheme. You have to address the issue across the board to make it work, or people will just move over from what's recently been nerfed to what remains the same, and the problem will still be there. Additionally, unlike with bounties, incursions already have an alternative rewards scheme that could let you scale back on the ISK injection without actually nerfing the income generation GÇö everyone wins. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5436	Posted - 2012.03.12 17:05:00 - [6] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: Not really, it balances itself out. Sure, it balances itself out somewhere, but we don't quite know where that is, and it might not be a good place. Oh, and since 90% are run in highsec, you can bet your ass that people will start clamouring for more sites if the current selection gets too crowdedGÇª it's an affliction that's making the rounds in that part of space, after all. Also, a large portion of the bounties already follow that rule GÇö the more people rat/explore/run anomalies, the fewer are available. So by that token, bounties aren't a problem eitherGÇª Of course, the issue is still the same: people will tend towards whatever works the best, and right now, incursions have taken the place of a lot of highsec high-end PvE. Addressing the influx will require measures across to board, or the problem will just shift around. The thing that makes incursions special is that they already have their solution built in, so there's quite literally no reason not to do it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5436	Posted - 2012.03.12 17:11:00 - [7] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: How do you control the EVE economy when anyone can buy a PLEX out of game and turn it into isk? GÇªexcept that you cannot buy PLEX and turn it into ISK. You can only buy PLEX and trade it for pre-existing ISK. PLEX are almost completely economy-neutral. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5439	Posted - 2012.03.12 17:30:00 - [8] - Quote Zircon Dasher wrote: Regardless, missions do not follow the same laws given that there is an infinite supply of them. True, which is why they have classically been a source of worryGÇª GÇªso when people are abandoning that infinite supply of ISK for something that's supposedly finite, that tells you something about what that finite activity can deliver, and why you should keep a very close eye on it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5439	Posted - 2012.03.12 17:51:00 - [9] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: So your saying that there is a cap on the amount of isk in game? or are you saying that sell my plex to someone who earn't the isk from one of the many unlimited isk sources in game isn't effectively creating isk? No, I'm saying that you can't GÇ£turn your PLEX into ISKGÇ¥, which would imply that you burn a PLEX, and suddenly a bunch of ISK appears. You can only trade PLEX for ISK that's already in the system GÇö if no-one has any ISK to spare right now, your PLEX will be turned into exactly zero ISK (or, more accurately, it will not be traded). When you trade a PLEX, very little happens with the economy. A million or three is sunk through transaction taxes, and that's it (assuming you use the market or contracts). The effect is practically nil. So no, PLEX do not create any ISK whatsoever GÇö it actually removes some. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5440	Posted - 2012.03.12 17:58:00 - [10] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: - Jumpclone USAGE fee Now that's just meanGÇª Rek Seven wrote: I see your point of view. However mine is that if you can create isk from nothing by running missions or what ever and your only motivation to create that is is to buy a PLEX, that PLEX is effectively creating isk just buy being on the market. The player is just the middle man between the isk seller and the unlimited sources of isk in game.. The problem is that if you include that many steps, the distinction between what does what becomes not just pointless but completely impossible. Suddenly, everything creates ISK. You run missions to buy new ships, so mining creates ISK. You run missions to keep your POS fuelled, so PI creates ISK. You run missions to pay wardec fees, so PvP creates ISK. You run missions to keep your demanding CEO happy, so despotism creates ISK. GÇªor you can just look at all of those things and conclude that, no, what actually creates the ISK is those missions you keep running. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5440	Posted - 2012.03.12 18:16:00 - [11] - Quote Zircon Dasher wrote: This does not alter the hard cap on the amount of ISK that can be generated from incursions. The same amount of ISK can be injected into the global economy if 1000 people run them or 1000000000000 people run them. No, but it alters how close the hard cap we can come, and again, if people are abandoning an infinite ISK source to get to it, it is a cause for worry since it tells us that we're nowhere near that yet and it's already a significant contributor to the ISK supply. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5440	Posted - 2012.03.12 18:28:00 - [12] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: People crying left and right on the forums about so called Incursion inflation when in reality the amount from bounties is astronomically higher a good chunk of that due to nullsec botting. GÇªexcept that three times higher is not GÇ£astronomicalGÇ¥ and that the inflation existed before incursions. So guess what happens when incursions are piled on top of it all? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5441	Posted - 2012.03.12 18:40:00 - [13] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Should I quote CCP about Incursions again? They aren't the issue here. You can quote it as much as you like. It doesn't change that what you said was spectacularly wrong. Oh, nad incursions most certainly are an issue, since they are a significant ISK faucet that contributes to that inflation. Zircon Dasher wrote: This is all theory, given that we do not know the distribution of incursion ISK across security. IF incursions are only being run in highsec....ever.... then there is significant room for more injection once people start running them in low/null. As luck would have it, we do know that. Even if we assume that the highsec incursions are run at max efficiency, there's still roughly twice as much in untapped incursion income waiting in the systemGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5441	Posted - 2012.03.12 18:52:00 - [14] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Sorry to quote it again but some here just don't get the point. You being the chief among themGÇª if you can't argue the issues being presented, just pipe down. Quote: they have ALOT more data than you considering they WORK for the company. You'd think they wouldn't have to rely on player-provided data to make the point, then, wouldn't you? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5442	Posted - 2012.03.12 19:01:00 - [15] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Cant figure the issues? Yes. You are completely unable to provide any kind of argument beyond a classic appeal-to-authority fallacy, so either argue the issues being presented or shush. Quote: You have had a CCP member say without beating around the bush that Incursions aren't the big bad inflation monster I see so many posts make it out as. You know the fake numbers on incursion inflation y'all used to get the uninformed screaming in topics even tho they have never run an incursion. No. We know the real numbers of incursion injection and how they were actually a whole lot larger than what the GÇ£but incursions are not doing anythingGÇ¥ defenders were trying to claim. The fact remains: incursions are a huge contributor to the ISK influx that is causing inflation, and this needs to be addressed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5442	Posted - 2012.03.12 19:12:00 - [16] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Real numbers Tippia? So your "real" numbers beat CCPs even tho they have a market expert with access to their data. The market expert in question said that we do indeed have inflation. Our real numbers are CCP's numbers. Quote: Epic and I mean epic fail! Well, maybe if you researched your GÇ£facts,GÇ¥ you wouldn't fail so much. Now, how about you argue the issues instead of piling fallacy upon fallacy? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5444	Posted - 2012.03.12 19:17:00 - [17] - Quote Zircon Dasher wrote: I did not see that one. Good catch! Someone needs to ask him to break out bounties by security for feb. If the mission reward numbers are any indication, it'll be ~50% highsec, ~50% nullsec, and a statistical-error-margin % in lowsecGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5444	Posted - 2012.03.12 19:22:00 - [18] - Quote Misanth wrote: Sal Landry wrote: Misanth wrote: * Promote PvP Wrong. PvP is an isk faucet due to insurance. Try harder. 2/10 He's right, you knowGÇª GÇªbut even so, promoting PvP is a good idea since it drives production, which helps counter-balance the production of ISK. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.

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