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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.06.16 23:23:00 -
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So I join the Tribal Liberation Force, jump into my cov-ops and go out to scout enemy hi-sec space. There is just one problem. My cloaking device does not work in enemy controlled hi-sec space. It seems to me that a cov-ops, once getting past the navy ships guarding the gate, should be able to cloak in enemy space. Am I the only one to whom this cloak disruption makes absolutely no sense?
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Element 22
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Posted - 2008.06.16 23:29:00 -
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I don't actually have a helpful post to make, but you know alfa != alpha.
TL;DR version: Your corp name made me laugh whilst crying.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.06.17 00:34:00 -
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way too easily exploitable in a system where presence alone has value.
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.06.17 00:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Element 22
I don't actually have a helpful post to make, but you know alfa != alpha.
TL;DR version: Your corp name made me laugh whilst crying.
Yes, I do know that alfa != alpha. Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Alfa is the first letter of the NATO military designation alphabet. The corp name is Splinter Cell Alfa - as in Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, etc. Do you have point to make?
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.06.17 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre
way too easily exploitable in a system where presence alone has value.
Your statement is conclusory. Please elaborate.
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Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.06.17 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 17/06/2008 01:14:54
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Edited by: VJ Maverick on 17/06/2008 00:57:39
Originally by: Element 22
I don't actually have a helpful post to make, but you know alfa != alpha.
TL;DR version: Your corp name made me laugh whilst crying.
Yes, I do know that alfa != alpha.
"Alpha" is the first letter of the Greek alphabet as in Alpha, BEta, Gamma
"Alfa" is the first letter of the NATO military designation alphabet as in Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, etc.
The corp name is Splinter Cell Alfa. Do you have point to make or did you just inadvertently pwn yourself?
/me is enlisted Army.
If you happen to be referring to the phonetic alphabet used by radio operators... it's still Alpha. You may have seen it spelled out "alfa" somewhere, in order to demonstrate how it's pronounced. But the word is still Alpha. Reason being, not all NATO members are fluent English speakers, and might not properly say "ph" as "f" during a transmission.
As for the Cloak issue... it almost sounds like CCP is finally experimenting with a balance to Cloaks. There's been FAR FAR FAR too many threads started on these forums, about the lack of a counter to Cloaks. And it seems that pirates become paranoia if they see a new face in Local but can't track them down due to a Cloak. So maybe this is some attempt to balance that out for FW.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.06.17 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: Vanessa Vale on 17/06/2008 03:46:02
Originally by: Marcus Gideon
So maybe this is some attempt to balance that out for FW.
Yes, yes, indeed.
Because flying a covert ops with a cloak in hostile territory is certainly a bad idea. Who the hell do these covert ops ships think they are? What made them think they could just sneak into enemy lines and sneak around?
Power crazed nonsense, I tell you.
Btw, note that alpha is actually written alfa in some languages too, and that merriam webster actually points out that alfa is accepted in English as a proper noun since 1952.
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Element 22
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Posted - 2008.06.17 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Btw, note that alpha is actually written alfa in some languages too, and that merriam webster actually points out that alfa is accepted in English as a proper noun since 1952.
There are many variations on words that are technically correct, but if you brought that before any editor worth their salt and explained which meaning of alpha you wanted they would no doubt tell you to write it as alpha.
And as for the other point, I don't believed I pwned myself. I'm guessing you're busy trying to get a new corp now 
Now as for the question, were you flying a covert op or were you trying to simply cloak a normal ship. Also from what I've heard I think it might be a glitch, because apparently you can cloak a SB in FW instances.
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.06.17 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
If you happen to be referring to the phonetic alphabet used by radio operators... it's still Alpha.
o rly?
NATO Phonetic Alphabet
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.06.17 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22
Now as for the question, were you flying a covert op or were you trying to simply cloak a normal ship. Also from what I've heard I think it might be a glitch, because apparently you can cloak a SB in FW instances.
I tried it with both a Cheetah and Pilgrim.
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Jaketh Ivanes
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.17 07:36:00 -
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What exactly do you want to hunt in enemy high sec? Those that run missions to fund their PvP in the designated low sec? Those that mine to fund their PvP in the designated low sec? Why are you not in low sec where you can amass VP's for your faction?
Sounds to me you just want to shoot noobs in high-sec, and by that, get them to quit the militia or EvE entierly. FW was setup so new players and inexperienced players could get some "safe" PvP experience. And if you can't handle them in low-sec, you should quite the militia, form a corp and declare the traditional way.
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.06.17 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
What exactly do you want to hunt in enemy high sec? Those that run missions to fund their PvP in the designated low sec? Those that mine to fund their PvP in the designated low sec? Why are you not in low sec where you can amass VP's for your faction?
Sounds to me you just want to shoot noobs in high-sec, and by that, get them to quit the militia or EvE entierly. FW was setup so new players and inexperienced players could get some "safe" PvP experience. And if you can't handle them in low-sec, you should quite the militia, form a corp and declare the traditional way.
Thanks, professor! You got me all figured out. I want to hunt noobs. In my Cheetah. And its two turrets. It's gonna be noob slaughter. The sky will run red with blood!
Anyway, can anyone actually articulate a good reason while a cov-ops can't cloak behind enemy lines?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.06.17 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
Thanks, professor! You got me all figured out. I want to hunt noobs. In my Cheetah. And its two turrets. It's gonna be noob slaughter. The sky will run red with blood!
Anyway, can anyone actually articulate a good reason while a cov-ops can't cloak behind enemy lines?
Try this for pants:
When you activate the stargate your ID and ship type will get registered. You will be identified as an enemy of the state and your ship gets tagged mid-jump. Once you are in the system, all opposing forces will know where you are and are able to jam your cloak and can warp right next to you at any time. Your cloak is rendered useless for the time you are in enemy territory.
Now if you were able to jump in via a covert jump portal, that'd be an entirely different story. But you can't, so there's no story to tell.
Fact remains that by using a stargate they will know who you are, what you are flying and how it is fitted and can employ all required countermeasures to render your efforts impotent.
Stay in lowsec. they don't have that kind of security measures there.
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Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.06.17 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 17/06/2008 13:06:04
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Marcus Gideon
If you happen to be referring to the phonetic alphabet used by radio operators... it's still Alpha.
o rly?
NATO Phonetic Alphabet
Yes, really
Could be wrong
But I doubt it
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.06.17 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: VJ Maverick on 17/06/2008 14:46:27
Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 17/06/2008 13:06:04
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Marcus Gideon
If you happen to be referring to the phonetic alphabet used by radio operators... it's still Alpha.
o rly?
NATO Phonetic Alphabet
Yes, really
Could be wrong
But I doubt it
Yeah, I thought so. Looks like "alfa" is here to stay. Kthnx. Lets move on.
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Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:13:00 -
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Nope, sorry bud, its Alpha, as in the greek letter alpha, and as in alphabet.
Wikipedia isn't a definitive source of information.
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zirconium Blade
Nope, sorry bud, its Alpha, as in the greek letter alpha, and as in alphabet.
Wikipedia isn't a definitive source of information.
Oh, my mistake. Wikipedia is not a definitive source of information. YOU ARE! Now tell me, who killed JFK?
Telling your girlfriend that you play EvE is like telling her about your herpes. Timing is everything. |
Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:54:00 -
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Maybe you should Google it.
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Arkanjuca
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zirconium Blade
Edited by: Zirconium Blade on 17/06/2008 17:55:59
Nope, sorry bud, its Alpha, as in the greek letter alpha, and as in alphabet.
Wikipedia isn't a definitive source of information.
nullSee every Google result except Wikipedia.
Wikipedia clearly states that only for the ANSI (American National Standards Institue) its alpha, to all other organizations its alfa.
So its up to you, are you american?
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AF should be like HACs
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
FW was setup so new players and inexperienced players could get some "safe" PvP experience. And if you can't handle them in low-sec, you should quite the militia, form a corp and declare the traditional way.
LOL at the badass Amarr militia guy!
I gotta quote this again:
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
FW was setup so new players and inexperienced players could get some "safe" PvP experience.
Factional warfare is WAR, it isn't meant to be safe. I am personally very upset to hear that we cannot practice resource denial and covert ops in FW. I was just about to enlist my new corp.
I urge CCP to reconsider.
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Seeking frigateers!
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