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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron You can make jumpclones from a carrier? That's the first I hear about it.
Motherships, Titans, and Rorquals can store jump clones in a clone vat bay, but you can't actually create a new jump clone there. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Eemaavi
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:21:00 -
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Here Lies the a Problem AND a Solution looking For Each other...
Problem- Jump Clones for FW Militia = Too easy where's the penalty? Problem- What do you get for occupying a system besides "Bragging Rights" (and losing accessto FW Agents)
Solution= Allow FW Militia to Get their JC Access to facilities in Lowsec only. If they Lose their system they lose access to their JC.
Now it's easy to extrapolate this into, "Well Why not Deny Docking Rights etc as a penalty." Then it become too much like 0.0 and solutions like this should only effect FW militias of course. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere |
Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eemaavi Here Lies the a Problem AND a Solution looking For Each other...
Problem- Jump Clones for FW Militia = Too easy where's the penalty? Problem- What do you get for occupying a system besides "Bragging Rights" (and losing accessto FW Agents)
Solution= Allow FW Militia to Get their JC Access to facilities in Lowsec only. If they Lose their system they lose access to their JC.
Now it's easy to extrapolate this into, "Well Why not Deny Docking Rights etc as a penalty." Then it become too much like 0.0 and solutions like this should only effect FW militias of course.
Your dumb, they would first install the clone, go to another station, jump into the clone, Woot they have a jumpclone in what ever station they want and are in the body at the faction FW station and can go die or what ever still have their JC. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Eemaavi
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Eemaavi on 17/06/2008 18:04:52 And your an a$$h0le.. err Goon. The mechanic I described, could prevent that makeing JC would accessible in a Lowsec Area. No Going to Empire and Jumping in to get a fresh Empire Clone. They Only work in the FW Lowsec areas. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere |
Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:06:00 -
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Last time I bought a jump clone it was only 100k not 10mil
The 10 mill may be what a JC corp will charge you (when my corp was capable of doing it we offered it as a free service to all alliance members). Or how much it costs you to upgrade a medical clone after you're podded.
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:08:00 -
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JUST SAY NO! To free JC's from FW -=^=-
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Throatslitter
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:06:00 -
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Yeah, there's just two ways you can loose a pod, lag and a bubble. No bubble in low-sec, and if you're lucky (and setup your client and overview properly + F10 to fight from the Solar System map) you shouldn't experience any lag. Without lag there's absolutely no way you can loose a pod in low-sec, reach structure and spam that warp button like crazy! It always works.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:21:00 -
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Don't forget smartbombs Throatslitter, those can kill a pod too even when the 'warp button' is spammed.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yin Sue The only ontopic reply that was given so far is the fact jumpclones are permanent hence it's too big of a "holding-hands" thing to give.
It seems you missed (or ignored) my on-topic reply. But I kinda predicted that in the same post...
Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/JCs) just 120M isk! |
Yin Sue
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Posted - 2008.06.18 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Yin Sue on 18/06/2008 14:56:44
Originally by: Estel Arador It seems you missed (or ignored) my on-topic reply. But I kinda predicted that in the same post...
I'm expressing a feeling, how I feel about my own personal experience of playing FW. Nothing more, nothing less. I may be wrong, some may agree with me. I'm just giving my opinion about the game. That's what forums are for.
I then submited an idea (giving a JC "for free" to militia members). Which again may be a great or crappy idea.
Now answers explaining why this is a bad idea are relevant answers. Such as the one explaining it's dumbing down the game too much.
Your reply (and Furb Killer's both replies) are just descriptions of the existing mechanisms. Yes I know about them and if I liked them I wouldn't have posted this thread to begin with. You're not answering to the topic as in explaining why my idea/request is bad for the game. You're just saying there are alternatives and there is no need to change anything. That's not adding to the debate, that's not saying anything useful that would either prove me right or wrong.
As for your other statement, "But I have a feeling this is one of those threads where you don't like the 'main' way of doing something and also don't like all the alternatives and thus the game should change to accommodate you. ." Well guess what that's what player feedback is. It's players not liking something, or thinking something could/should be improved and talking about it. Then other players answer giving their own opinion about it, sometimes when there are so many people who agree with a problem raised by one player, the devs take it into account and try to address it.
Therefore if you "Never seen such a thread before, nope." you've probably never read the suggestions forum or any "whine thread" about people whining that a given ship is under/overpowered.
Oh and btw, how can it at the same time be "one of those threads" and a "never seen such a thread before" care to enligthen me?
On a side note, I'm starting to think my idea was a bad one, not thanks to your answer or Furb Killers' but thanks to the other people who took the time to explain why giving a jumpclone to militia members wouldn't benefit the game as a whole.
You are the exact opposit of constructive criticsm. Your answer sums up to "Everything is fine, shut up, learn to play" without explaining why everything is fine. And if your way of answering forum threads was always applied, we should just remove forums altogether and deny the right to players to try and highlight what they feel are issues and give suggestions to address them.
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Landrassa
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2008.06.18 14:58:00 -
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To be honest, getting a personal 8.0 standing with a corp that has medical stations really isn't *that* hard. If you can't be bothered to run the missions, get a mission runner to do them for you while your character sits afk in the station he's running them from. Might cost you a bit, and said mission runner will have to trust you to give him his half of the mission rewards, but instead of a single jump clone you'll get lifetime access to jump clones from that corporation, allowing you to add a few more later on as the need rises.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2008.06.18 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yin Sue You're not answering to the topic as in explaining why my idea/request is bad for the game. You're just saying there are alternatives and there is no need to change anything. That's not adding to the debate, that's not saying anything useful that would either prove me right or wrong.
It is adding something to the debate since you failed to address those options in your proposal. You only said "that 8.0 requirement is way to hard to get". Well, as has been explained, there are other options which are not nearly as hard to get - and having those options available negates the necessity of your proposal. How is that not relevant or not adding to the debate?
Originally by: Yin Sue Oh and btw, how can it at the same time be "one of those threads" and a "never seen such a thread before" care to enligthen me?
Consider yourself enlightened!
Originally by: Yin Sue You are the exact opposit of constructive criticsm. Your answer sums up to "Everything is fine, shut up, learn to play" without explaining why everything is fine.
No, my answer just forces you to rethink or at least rewrite your proposal, adding reasons why not only getting 8.0 standing is too hard, but also why all other options are too hard.
Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/JCs) just 120M isk! |
Ulstan
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.18 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Eemaavi Here Lies the a Problem AND a Solution looking For Each other...
Problem- Jump Clones for FW Militia = Too easy where's the penalty? Problem- What do you get for occupying a system besides "Bragging Rights" (and losing accessto FW Agents)
Solution= Allow FW Militia to Get their JC Access to facilities in Lowsec only. If they Lose their system they lose access to their JC.
Now it's easy to extrapolate this into, "Well Why not Deny Docking Rights etc as a penalty." Then it become too much like 0.0 and solutions like this should only effect FW militias of course.
Brilliant! I like it.
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Jimi Tetro
Vanquish Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.18 16:19:00 -
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if you want a JC, just buy one from a 0.0 alliance, a roqual pilot or a standings corp they usually cost 10m or do the mission grind. If you realy wanted a JC you could have one easily.
Free JC's for Militia are a bad idea, it would render the corp 8.0 standing requirement useless replacing it with a 0.5 faction standing requirement as pilots would just join FW for 1 day to get their clone.
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Yin Sue
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Posted - 2008.06.18 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jimi Tetro Free JC's for Militia are a bad idea, it would render the corp 8.0 standing requirement useless replacing it with a 0.5 faction standing requirement as pilots would just join FW for 1 day to get their clone.
True, but what if you lose it when you leave FW. Wouldn't that concern become moot?
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:31:00 -
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No, it wouldn't.
You want to use your jumpclone? 1. join militia 2. jump 3. leave militia 4. ??? 5. rinse and repeat
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