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Ferrand
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:47:00 -
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The situation is like this: there are 2 players, one has highwall HX-2, and is in his own fleet. The other player has mining foreman mindlink, and has his fleet.
Which one will have bigger mining yield at the end?
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Death4free
Darkstar Industrial
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Ferrand
The situation is like this: there are 2 players, one has highwall HX-2, and is in his own fleet. The other player has mining foreman mindlink, and has his fleet.
Which one will have bigger mining yield at the end?
the one in the 3 t2 mining laser fitted hulk (the other is in a retriever)
ha bets thats screwed up ur evil riddle making schemes!
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:13:00 -
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Mindlink only works on a commandship/BC/Rorqual bonus.
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Ferrand
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ferrand on 17/06/2008 19:36:50
OMG, I did not know that, even though I red the description, thanks man, its little too late, I have implanted it instead of Highwall HX-2 which got destroyed in the process 
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Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:34:00 -
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use a highwall unless the character with the mindlink is in a BC/CS/Rorq with the ganglinks acting as a squad leader.
That's your answer.
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Rawblin
Abysmal Bottom Line
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rawblin on 17/06/2008 20:45:29
Actually, if they are both in a gang set up as the gang leader, they will have the same mining yield, with proper skills of course.
While the Highwall HX-2 is a straight +5% bonus to oneself, the Foreman Mindlink is a +50% increase to both the Mining Foreman skill boost itself, and +50% to Foreman Link Effectiveness (That part will not matter to a Hulk Pilot, as you cannot equip those mods)
However! If the character with the Foreman Mindlink implant has Mining Foreman V (+10% Mining Yield for Squad only while in a squad), +50% added to 10% (10%x1.5= 15%) is a 5% Mining Yield Bonus to the entire squad.
So as long as that character has Mining Foreman V, the implants are technically equal.
The fun part though, comes in when you have the Squad Leader with the Foreman Mindlink implant, and every other miner in the group with the Highwall HX-2, giving everyone but the Squad Leader an extra 5% mining yield.
Hope that made sense, I tend to ramble into tangents!
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Gunnar Hlidar
Labteck Corporation LTD.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:11:00 -
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Was looking at the attributes of the Mining Forman implant, it looks like it gives a 15% mining yeald bonus to boot, so I guess that the one with a mining forman implant would get a higher total yeald over the one with the highwall HX-2.
Just have a look for yourself.
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Asuka Smith
The Defias Brotherhood
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:19:00 -
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Gunnar, you just messed up an EPIC chance to rickroll everyone.
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Newbear
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:43:00 -
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Too complicated! Just sell time codes! 1b isk per minute depending on your alt+tab skills.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.06.18 02:23:00 -
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the mindlink has indeed a little effect without gang modules. someone already mentioned it: it increases the foreman bonus from 10% -> 15% (+4.5454%)
if said char mines alone, that bonus is of course wasted. but as soon as there's two, both get it (yep, commander aswell - i believe that was changed back with the introduction of fleet/wing/squad booster). the other one would have his hx-2 and the mindlink ofc add to that.
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Evangel Omega
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Posted - 2008.06.18 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ferrand
Edited by: Ferrand on 17/06/2008 18:12:49
The situation is like this: there are 2 players, one has highwall HX-2, and is in his own fleet. The other player has mining foreman mindlink, and has his fleet.
Both players have Michi's Excavation augmentor and are flying Hulks with 3X T2 Modulated strip miner II (charges are T2 crystals)
Which one will have bigger mining yield at the end?
Here's how it would go each in their own fleet:
Char 1: Base Yield +5%(Highwall) +5%(Michi)
Char 2: Base Yield +5%(Michi)
Char 1 will mine the most
Put them in the Same fleet:
Char 1: Base Yield +5%(Highwall) +5%(Michi) +15%(Gang Bonus)
Char 2: Base Yield +5%(Michi) +15%(Gang Bonus)
Char 1 will still mine the most
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Evangel Omega
Here's how it would go each in their own fleet:
Char 1: Base Yield +5%(Highwall) +5%(Michi) +10%(Gang Bonus)
Char 2: Base Yield +5%(Michi) +15%(Gang Bonus)
Char 1 and 2 will mine the same
Put them in the Same fleet:
Char 1: Base Yield +5%(Highwall) +5%(Michi) +15%(Gang Bonus)
Char 2: Base Yield +5%(Michi) +15%(Gang Bonus)
Char 1 will mine the most
Fixed that for you. I would assume that they are in a fleet with someone. Otherwise the question becomes rather pointless.
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Ferrand
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Posted - 2008.06.18 16:52:00 -
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Thank you very much all of you, been of great assistance, I know where to ask if I have other issues 
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Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.06.18 17:49:00 -
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Now here's another question to ponder.
Assuming your player with the mindlink implants is your "best" miner, when is it better to put him in a BC with ganglinks to help the crew, vs. keeping him in a Hulk, losing the mindlink bonus, but gaining his uber mining yield?
I'm going to assume it's a simple matter of scale, but if you are losing your top miner to run mindlinks, you'd better have a lot of miners to get the big bonus to more than make up for that lost yield.
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Jurgen Cartis
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 18/06/2008 19:10:10
Originally by: Gieron
Originally by: Evangel Omega
Here's how it would go each in their own fleet:
Char 1: Base Yield +5%(Highwall) +5%(Michi) +10%(Gang Bonus) = 21.28% bonus
Char 2: Base Yield +5%(Michi) +15%(Gang Bonus) = 20.75% bonus
Char 1 will mine the most
Put them in the Same fleet:
Char 1: Base Yield +5%(Highwall) +5%(Michi) +15%(Gang Bonus) = 26.79%
Char 2: Base Yield +5%(Michi) +15%(Gang Bonus) = 20.75%
Char 1 will mine the most
Fixed that for you. I would assume that they are in a fleet with someone. Otherwise the question becomes rather pointless.
Fixed that for you. Remember, bonuses in Eve stack multiplicatively. For even bigger bonuses, stick a Mindlinked pilot in something running ganglinks, with a Rorq you can get a ridiculous total bonus (a BC or CS is not far behind, though).
Originally by: Karl Mattar
Now here's another question to ponder.
Assuming your player with the mindlink implants is your "best" miner, when is it better to put him in a BC with ganglinks to help the crew, vs. keeping him in a Hulk, losing the mindlink bonus, but gaining his uber mining yield?
I'm going to assume it's a simple matter of scale, but if you are losing your top miner to run mindlinks, you'd better have a lot of miners to get the big bonus to more than make up for that lost yield.
Assuming your other miners are at least on the same basic scale as you (Exhumers IV Hulks with T2 gear), then a ganglinked BC becomes better at about 4-5 Hulks. Past 5, there's no question, stick him in a BC.
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Mona X
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
Mindlink only works on a commandship/BC/Rorqual bonus.
No, it works also on Mining foreman bonus.
Originally by: Rawblin
The fun part though, comes in when you have the Squad Leader with the Foreman Mindlink implant, and every other miner in the group with the Highwall HX-2, giving everyone but the Squad Leader an extra 5% mining yield.
Squad commander (or booster) also gives bonus to himself. And the "squad commander cannot be boosted by wing coomander" issue is fixed.
Originally by: Karl Mattar
Assuming your player with the mindlink implants is your "best" miner, when is it better to put him in a BC with ganglinks to help the crew, vs. keeping him in a Hulk, losing the mindlink bonus, but gaining his uber mining yield?
Ubertrained Mining foreman in BC/CBC/carrier/mothership/titan decreases cycle time by 22,5% and that increases yeld by 29%.
So if you have 3 hulk pilots it's better to keep them in barges. Maxed Rorqual boosts yeld by 37%, so 2 Hulks nad Rorq would br better than 3 Hulks.
Originally by: Karl Mattar
I'm going to assume it's a simple matter of scale, but if you are losing your top miner to run mindlinks,
Using mining mindlink doesn't require any of the mining skills.
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis
Fixed that for you. Remember, bonuses in Eve stack multiplicatively.
My head hurts.
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Jaronel
Abysmal Bottom Line
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Posted - 2008.06.19 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mona X
Originally by: Rawblin
The fun part though, comes in when you have the Squad Leader with the Foreman Mindlink implant, and every other miner in the group with the Highwall HX-2, giving everyone but the Squad Leader an extra 5% mining yield.
Squad commander (or booster) also gives bonus to himself. And the "squad commander cannot be boosted by wing coomander" issue is fixed.
Unless I am missing something though, the Squad Leader (with Mining Foreman Mindlink) has to forgo having a Highwall implant, as they are in the same slot. Which means that the Squad Leader, while getting the bonus from the MFM Implant of an extra 5% yield from the Mining Foreman skill, will still be missing out on the 5% mining yield bonus that the rest of the squad (hopefully) has from having their own Highwall Implant.
Yes/No?
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.06.19 23:12:00 -
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yes
if you have an egoistic mining gang where everybody keeps his stuff for himself, the mindlink ruins your own slightly. again: 10% bonus -> 15% bonus is in effect only +4.545454blahblah %
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Mona X
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mona X on 20/06/2008 08:36:59
Originally by: Jaronel
Unless I am missing something though, the Squad Leader (with Mining Foreman Mindlink) has to forgo having a Highwall implant, as they are in the same slot. Which means that the Squad Leader, while getting the bonus from the MFM Implant of an extra 5% yield from the Mining Foreman skill, will still be missing out on the 5% mining yield bonus that the rest of the squad (hopefully) has from having their own Highwall Implant.
Yes/No?
That is why I have only MF level 4, and trained mining director and warfare link specialist on my hauling alt. :)
Now her hauling carrer is over. :(
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Cyndial
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Posted - 2008.06.29 04:20:00 -
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I have found the following scenero to work very well:
3 Characters - main miner, BC/CMD pilot, hauler
Basically I run the mining character with the +5% slot 7 and the +5% slot 10 implants, the BC pilot has the +5% slot 7 and the Gang Link Implant slot 10... with the hauler hauling.
I have done a little math and at the point where you have effectively 18 miner II's running worth of yeild the gang mining implant BC becomes more efficent then running 2 hulks. Every Strip Miner is worth aprox 3.5 miner II's so with 2 hulk pilots thats effectively 21 miner II's, but with 1 hulk 10.5 and a 7 miner II + gang link module = 17.5 miner II's worth of mining either configuration pulls aproximately the same yeild.
As soon as you add 1 additional person in any ship it tips the balance twards the gang configuration with the hulk and BC combination.
Using the mining mindlink on a pure mining character isn't a bad idea as the 10% mining foreman bonus becomes a 15% to everyone in the gang, but if you are a single miner the 5% slot 10 implant would have been a better idea to keep. |
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