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Bishop Stewart
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:02:00 -
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Hey guys,
Yesterday I was doing a storyline mission with a friend when two idiots jumped in to our location, stealing from our wrecks, attempting to provoke a fight, they then attempted to steal the item I supposedly needed to finish the mission.
I got a typical useless answer from the GM who responded to my harassment call.
Now, my question is, how does that NOT count as harassment? And how come my own fleetmates can't warp directly to me in a mission, but these %$@#%'s can? I understand that if I'm jetcan mining and they'd pull something like that, sure, it's perfectly legal. But to get bothered while doing missions, behind gates, WTF?
PVP players whine the loudest when it comes to their needs. What about us "Carebears" who just want to play the game without the hassle? Who frikkin helps us? Certainly not the GM's.
Now, all you "leet" fools who want to defend the actions of the two morons who pulled that stunt yesterday, flame on. The GM's will help you. Really.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:06:00 -
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Siddy
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:08:00 -
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troll 0/10
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:11:00 -
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They dident warp to you directly either.
Yea it sucks but its a part of the game.
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DubanFP
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:11:00 -
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I think somebody needs to take a nap.
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Terminus adacai
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:12:00 -
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Kinda sad they took your needed item.... But if this is your way of responding to a petition, not a very good call..
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Tarminic
Quoted for truth
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Bishop Stewart
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bleeshtar
They dident warp to you directly either.
Yea it sucks but its a part of the game.
Then how did they get past the 4 or 5 gates to get to where we were?
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Bleeshtar on 17/06/2008 20:20:04
Originally by: Bishop Stewart
Originally by: Bleeshtar
They dident warp to you directly either.
Yea it sucks but its a part of the game.
Then how did they get past the 4 or 5 gates to get to where we were?
Just because your in dedspace even 4 or 5 gates doesent mean your alone and cant be scanned out.
That being said its kind of sad really that someone would go through that much effort just to try to grief you.
At least you werent stupid and come to exchanging fire and end up podded.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bishop Stewart
Then how did they get past the 4 or 5 gates to get to where we were?
They used the gates – same as you did to get there.
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Bishop Stewart
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bleeshtar
Edited by: Bleeshtar on 17/06/2008 20:20:04
Originally by: Bishop Stewart
Originally by: Bleeshtar
They dident warp to you directly either.
Yea it sucks but its a part of the game.
Then how did they get past the 4 or 5 gates to get to where we were?
Just because your in dedspace even 4 or 5 gates doesent mean your alone and cant be scanned out.
That being said its kind of sad really that someone would go through that much effort just to try to grief you.
At least you werent stupid and come to exchanging fire and end up podded.
Yeah, that really would have sucked. It's very very frustrating to watch as someone tries to screw your 10 step storyline mission you've been working on for almost 5 hours. And the rage knowing that if you fire, you're toast.
My question almost has to be reworded. What do the GM's consider harassment, if not trying to screw someones game up, just for the sake of harassing them?
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Tacit Blue
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:28:00 -
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Yeah, it sucks. I have been running level 4s in Motsu. There is nothing more annoying that getting these parasites looting my wrecks. But unfortunately, CCP deems this as a legitimate tactic.
Oh well, guess the only other thing to do is move to another area to mission.
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:28:00 -
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if they offered you no way of getting the item back then petition, because it is harrasment.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria
if they offered you no way of getting the item back then petition, because it is harrasment.
That.
Stealing it and then asking ransom is allowed (for all wannabes who got too much spare time, doing it and asking 4 billion to give it back is probably not considered a ransom).
Stealing it just to irritate the other player is not allowed and is petitionable.
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Tarminic
Quoted for truth
Quoted for even more truth.
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Visceroth
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:59:00 -
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All you have to do is wait for the next downtime when everything respawns and run the mission again. Sucks but it is not harassment because it is within game mechanics. It is simply griefing. Worst comes to worst you have to cancel the mission. Oh well, there are many more missions available.
This is no different than me taking someone's ore because i want them out of my system. That is not harassment. Also if you have such a big problem, call in some corp mates with big guns. There are a variety of solutions, crying on the forums is not one of them.
Think of the solution, not the problem.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 17/06/2008 21:00:12
Too bad that the mission probably wont respawn.
Edit: and i have once read something from GM iirc stating it was harrassment.
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Visceroth
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Too bad that the mission probably wont respawn.
Oh yes it will. Otherwise I wouldn't have had to do "Damsel in Distress" for 4 days while I was poorly trying to outfit my ship.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:17:00 -
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AFAIK missions dont respawn for sure when you get objective completed thingie. And you get objective completed often allready before you get the object you need, so i doubt it will respawn.
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Bishop Stewart
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:17:00 -
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I couldn't care less about the mission. What angers me is the lack of support. How can their behaviour NOT be harassment? Did CCP rewrite the dictionary? Sure, the griefers were using game mechanics. In theory, then afk mining bots shouldn't be banned, because they too use the game mechanics, obviously. It's a wonderful world of double standards we're working with.
I really would like to hear a GM's definition of harassment.
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Divad Ginleek
Gateway Industries
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:41:00 -
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CCPs definition of harassment:
Griefer IP traces you to your house, comes in while your playing EVE, beats you up, flushes your head in the toilet, steals your lunch money, and eats your cookies.
That just *might* get them a 24 hour ban. PETITION IT!!!
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Watcher Rasok
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:12:00 -
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Why should the GMs interfere here ? I see only game mechanics working as intended... 
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syphurous
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:23:00 -
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Its not harrassment, and its not petitionable, even if they popped out the item in a can and then proceeded to blow up. All those saying petition it, to bad.
This is my main, and I carebear just as much, if not more than you do. I dont get upset when I get scanned out, I dont get upset if my stuff gets stolen.
However, I can probe people, I can steal thier loot, I can find them mission mining with 6 iteron 4 sat next to them ( Empty ). I can sell my "profits" ( iteron 4's fit with ECII's ).
Come to the dark side, we have cake :)
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous
Its not harrassment, and its not petitionable, even if they popped out the item in a can and then proceeded to blow up. All those saying petition it, to bad.
This is my main, and I carebear just as much, if not more than you do. I dont get upset when I get scanned out, I dont get upset if my stuff gets stolen.
However, I can probe people, I can steal thier loot, I can find them mission mining with 6 iteron 4 sat next to them ( Empty ). I can sell my "profits" ( iteron 4's fit with ECII's ).
Come to the dark side, we have cake :)
you're wrong.
blowing up peoples mission items all the time will get you a harsh warning.
why don't you try it, get warned, then stfu :)
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Grath Telkin
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Grath Telkin on 17/06/2008 22:33:16
Originally by: Bishop Stewart
I couldn't care less about the mission. What angers me is the lack of support. How can their behaviour NOT be harassment? Did CCP rewrite the dictionary? Sure, the griefers were using game mechanics. In theory, then afk mining bots shouldn't be banned, because they too use the game mechanics, obviously. It's a wonderful world of double standards we're working with.
I really would like to hear a GM's definition of harassment.
they didn't "rewrite" the dictionary, its the way the game is set up. You need to realize that this game is a harsh environment. Botting is entirely different, as it takes the player out of the game, what your talking about is simply a failure to understand (on your part) how the universe works here.
This game requires you to know how team mechanics are aloud to function here, which you didn't know obviously.
It also isn't the GM's fault that you may be wanting something that this game is prepared to offer, safety.
On a final note, in EVE, griefing isn't really a term. You undocked, thus agreeing to put yourself, your ship, and any valuables you had on board in danger. Calling somebody a griefer is a mistaken use of the term, because in point of fact, EVE is brutal, and unforgiving.
You may not like it much, but thus is EVE.
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who just want to play the game without the hassle? Who frikkin helps u
In eve, you help yourself, GM's do not interfere.
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sahalie
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:34:00 -
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It is harassment when there is sufficient proof that the actions were not done for profit but to upset you as a player.
So for example, suicide ganking somebody repeatedly, not just 1-2 times but actually targeting a single person in game for constant suicide ganks would be griefing. Baiting newbies spawning in newbie systems and suiciding them is griefing. Using all kinds of four letter words and abusive language trying to put another person down in public chats is griefing.
Invading someone else's missions to loot, salvage, bait, or ransom the player is not griefing because these is a material motive. But if they just stole your mission object that was worth crap and didn't offer it back to you write a nice petition to GMs and explain how these random dudes are trying to ruin your mission running experience instead of trying to pirate you so this would be a case of griefing.
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:37:00 -
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seriously some people are just shockingly immature tbh, they think ccp will tolerate griefers for one second if they endanger their income? You have the freedom to do anything in eve, don't abuse it.
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syphurous
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria
you're wrong.
blowing up peoples mission items all the time will get you a harsh warning.
Wrong, this is no longer petitionable. Deal with it. Quote:
why don't you try it, get warned, then stfu :)
Sure, tell me what system your in, and when you play, I dont want to have to bother my agent to find out. :P
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous
Originally by: Viqtoria
you're wrong.
blowing up peoples mission items all the time will get you a harsh warning.
Wrong, this is no longer petitionable. Deal with it. Quote:
why don't you try it, get warned, then stfu :)
Sure, tell me what system your in, and when you play, I dont want to have to bother my agent to find out. :P
when did it stop being petitionable?
I was speaking to a dev not long ago and when I asked if I could do this they said aimlessly killing mission objectives, preventing someone from playing, would be considered griefing.
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syphurous
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria
seriously some people are just shockingly immature tbh, they think ccp will tolerate griefers for one second if they endanger their income?
Immature ? Because they dont play the way you do, because they take pleasure in disrupting other people ?
Eve is not about "fair", Eve is harsh, Eve is about the harsh life in space where the rules are up in the air and no one is safe.
Please leave, I dont think you fine it will "hurt" CCP's income at all.
When you leave, can I have your stuff ?
Quote:
You have the freedom to do anything in eve, don't abuse it.
Please, read what you wrote and realise that people are just exersizing that freedom.
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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